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Plane Embarrassing USAirways - C'mon Management!  
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10980 times:

*First of all, the caption speaks volumes and I completely agree with a chuckle*


Little play on words in my Topic. I really don't care if an airliner isn't due for another paint job for a few more months, or years, if it looks like this you should put some touch-up paint on the damn thing so you don't scare your general flying pax. USAirways management needs to wake-up and smell the Jet-A and do something about embarrassments like this one.

Putting other airlines to shame on who has "The Worst Paint Flying" here is our clear winner:

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Put your Rule Book aside people, sometimes there must be an exception for the greater good. . . . . . . . . . . .for the sake of perception (pax and potential pax) in this case.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10948 times:

That's the new HP/US livery... haven't you heard??


An unexamined life isn't worth living.
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

Another version of this plane in bad paint shape ...


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There are lots more of photos showing planes in bad paint shape. I remember this one:


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Photo © Alastair T. Gardiner - WorldAirImages



And many more of them in the database... Normal wear, unfortunately.



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User currently offlineExFATboy From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2974 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10892 times:

Actually, if there's going to be a new livery after the merger, it might be the more prudent decision not to repaint the airplane.

Most customers are sophisticated enough to realize that paint has nothing to do with safety. As long as the interior is decently maintained, I doubt anyone cares.


User currently offlineBandA From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10851 times:

oh wow, I know that this crappy paint condition poses no safety risk to pax but from a image standpoint, not something to be proud of. I know american airliners arent doing so well, but COME ON!


"They [Terrorists] never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." - GWB
User currently offlineDvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10823 times:

Perhaps the lease on that US 737-300 is expiring soon, and they don't want to repaint it just before returning it to the lessor. At least, that's what I want to think is happening!


I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10782 times:

"Most customers are sophisticated enough to realize that paint has nothing to do with safety."

Guess again FATboy. . .most people look at the plane with a horrified look on their face when they are the ones who are about to board it.

C'mon. . . sophisticated ??? I don't think so. Even business travelers, like myself, usually look like they just took a bite out of a bad apple when presented with this a/c to fly for their flight.

Guess again FATboy. . . . . . .I just like saying that.  Wink



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10777 times:

I too have noticed that US Airways 737s are in pretty bad shape. While I've been at MHT over the past month, in the afternoon there is a 737-400 that comes in, followed a couple of minutes later by an A321. The difference is quite resounding - the 737 is quite shabby on the outside, while the A321 looks really nice under the sun.

Jeff


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10745 times:

"oh wow, I know that this crappy paint condition poses no safety risk to pax but from a image standpoint, not something to be proud of. I know american airliners arent doing so well, but COME ON!"

Now this guy is realistic. Dvk "get's it" . . .good job.

I hope to God this 737's lease is almost up. . .or it's life! 'Cause USAirways has certainly givin' up on the poor gal. . . . . .



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10533 times:

Jeez people, a little common sense here. If you're concerned about the bottom line, what would you do? pull the airplane out of revenue generating service so that maybe 1 passenger out of 200 can "feel good" about the airplane they are getting on, or leave it in service until its next heavy check when it can be repainted.

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3671 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10471 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 9):
Jeez people, a little common sense here. If you're concerned about the bottom line, what would you do? pull the airplane out of revenue generating service so that maybe 1 passenger out of 200 can "feel good" about the airplane they are getting on, or leave it in service until its next heavy check when it can be repainted.

Sounds like someone needs to learn the word "branding"!

By your logic, there's really no point in painting or repainting planes at all. The entire reason airlines paint their planes is to present a certain image to their customers - otherwise, they could just layer them with the aircraft equivalent of clearcoat and just leave them like that (some cargo airlines do this).

If an airplane's paint is in this bad shape, it's probably going to do more damage long-term to the airline than the financial costs associated with repainting it.

Of course, there may be other reasons for not repainting it, as others have mentioned - if its lease is up, or if there's a livery change coming up.



I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler!
User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10391 times:

This is why Aeromex and American's chome look makes so much sense. It doesn't enhance the confidence of the flying public that the airplane is safe when (a) the company is bankrupt and (b) the plane looks poorly maintained. It really doesn't matter if the airplane is completely safe or not. Appearance means a lot to the customer.

User currently offlineUsAirways16bwi From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1004 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10186 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 3):
Most customers are sophisticated enough to realize that paint has nothing to do with safety. As long as the interior is decently maintained, I doubt anyone cares.

true. i flew that exact plane back in march, it flew normally, and the inside was clean........US has more to worry about than the paint on their planes, as do most US airlines. just give them a break..geez  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10150 times:

I have shot this girl twice in the last month, once at RSW
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and a second time at FLL (still in the queue). She badly needs a paint job or something to cover up the patches and missing paint. I also have one in the queue of an a319 that has horrible paint peeling.


User currently offlinePatrickj From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10102 times:

Quoting ExFATboy (Reply 3):
Most customers are sophisticated enough to realize that paint has nothing to do with safety. As long as the interior is decently maintained, I doubt anyone cares.

A sophisticated customer would know that paint or polish is part of an airlines corrosion control program and as such it does relate to safety. It costs very little to touch up base paint like this after inspecting it for underlying corrosion.

It also indicateds that the airline is trying to cut costs.

I flew for Piedmont before the US Air merger and they used to wax their aircraft before they left the maint. hangar. After the US Air merger I flew aircraft that were not polished (US Air's paint scheme then) but actually had a greenish tint to the oxidized metal.

It says a lot about the airline, it would be like sowing up to work in tattered clothes and expecting customers to take you seriously.


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1300 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10050 times:

You cant make a silk purse out of a sow's a$$. Sadly, this planes outer appearance (and probably inner as well) makes for a perfect visual metaphor for the mangements decision making ability.

User currently offlineHR001 From Honduras, joined Nov 2004, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9954 times:

Watching this planes in person and then reading the news that Usairways has been near or on bankruptcy for a long time will get people wondering about the overall condition of these planes.

User currently offline1millionflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9849 times:

Quoting Flaps (Reply 15):
mangements decision making ability

the state of US legacy airlines. Can we not slam management for the cuase of all ills for once? It takes everyone down to the formerly 60,000 a year bag smasher to ruin an airline.


User currently offlineNKP S2 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1714 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9787 times:

Quoting 1millionflyer (Reply 17):

the state of US legacy airlines. Can we not slam management for the cuase of all ills for once? It takes everyone down to the formerly 60,000 a year bag smasher to ruin an airline

...Or perhaps the outsourced "Earl Scheib' paint jobs from Fla, Ms, NM....

Just ran the numbers; 60K/year comes out to 28 and change per hour. Doubtful any legacy carrier bag smashers made that coin, certainly not at US.

The 37 vice presidents of closet space? ( I can be hyperbolic too Yeah sure )

[Edited 2005-06-18 00:27:36]

User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9781 times:

NEW PAINT IS COMING.

Stay tuned. New livery coming soon, once the merger gets flowin'. This has been reported in many places.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 9747 times:

I heard from reliable sources that a gian seagull took a crap on this bird, hence the white spots ...

User currently offlineSFOMEX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9716 times:

Quoting HR001 (Reply 16):
Watching this planes in person and then reading the news that Usairways has been near or on bankruptcy for a long time will get people wondering about the overall condition of these planes.

USAirways may be saving money in some areas, but the safety of its planes is out of the question. Now, if we were talking about AS.... Just kidding. Big grin


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9688 times:

that is actually 19.50 an hour plus standard benfits and related taxes the company pays for the employee (state and federal unemployment, FICA/Federal match, insurance, admin costs and training)

before 2001 a 15 yr + bag smaher easily could do 19.5/hr.


User currently offlineUswyjer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9684 times:

I flew N530AU last fall, the other side isn't in that bad of shape, unfortunately there's only photos of it from the one side in the database; if from the aesthetics point of view, the jetway would usually block the view of the bad side from boarding passengers... just my $.02 Smile

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9674 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 19):
NEW PAINT IS COMING.

Stay tuned. New livery coming soon, once the merger gets flowin'. This has been reported in many places.

No! I must be the only person on the face of the Earth that loves the current US Airways paint scheme. It is probably my favorite or near favorite. That and United's "Battleship Gray."

AAndrew


25 Post contains images UsAirways16bwi : make that 2
26 NKP S2 : Ahh. That's techincally true but also specious...at least if not applied to upper management as well. To do anything else is a distortion beyond a re
27 NKP S2 : Make that 3.
28 Vegasflyboy : I'm gonna miss the America West livery myself.
29 Chgoflyer : What do you think there's some greedy manager in his office with a big check book saying "sorry ah no paint jobs today cause IM taking the money home
30 Post contains images N751PR : Aw heck, make it 4.
31 1MillionFlyer : Again, do you think your paycheck automatically generates, clears the bank and gets balanced to the income statement with no help form accountants, y
32 FlyHoss : Well, don't make it 5.
33 RDUDDJI : What you are referring to is actually disclosure related not Sarbanes Oxley (SarBox). SarBox has to do with controlled access to company computer res
34 1MillionFlyer : SOX (as it's known in big 4 consulting) regulates disclosure of information and conisistency for additional procedural compliance with GAAP. (on top o
35 Post contains links and images Adipasqu : Seriously, what was wrong with this? Cheap, looks good... View Large View MediumPhoto © Frank C. Duarte Jr.
36 Post contains images MQrampBOS : I agree with Adipasqu. Bring back the silver! I personally liked this livery better, though. [Edited 2005-06-18 04:50:54] And if anyone wants to tell
37 Adipasqu : I actually agree with you MQrampBOS, I was just afraid of getting flamed for wanting the old USAir font back as well. That 732 has never looked bette
38 MQrampBOS : Well, the old font sure had a lot more style than that Times New Roman they later put on. I wish they could do a modern adaptation of it. Now let eve
39 Abbs380 : I buy the farmed out, cheapo paint job theory. If the paint job had been done properly, and was just old, it would be equally dull all over, but it wo
40 Patrickj : They didn't keep it polished. I've flow this airplane and as I said before they used to let the aluminum oxidize. Gave a nice green tint to the upper
41 MQrampBOS : Sounds like they were a little too cheap.
42 SQPAX : I took this photograph. It was under unusual conditions. Normally, they simply don't use 15R. That unto itself was a treat! I saw this old heap approa
43 Azul320 : And to think these losers (US management) want a salary raise is even scarier.
44 Ramerinianair : Is that picture under the "special paint scemes"? SR
45 Bennett123 : Whilst I know that money is tight, I think appearance is important. If punters see an aircraft that looks tatty on the outside, then they worry about
46 NKP S2 : Of course not, although you're clearly setting up a strawman just so you can knock it down through selective use of statistics: You clearly intended
47 Post contains images SQPAX : I believe it wa a "hybrid" livery
48 Post contains links 1MillionFlyer : Wow man you are just not understanding. there is nothing to hide, it all has to be disclosed in the 10K filing which is all veiwable by ANYONE by goi
49 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : Vote me as CEO, and I PROMISE that the first priority of mine for my bankrupt airline will be to repaint all of the planes.. .. It seems to work for U
50 ANITIX87 : Make it 5, and I know there's more of you out there. Nothing looks cooler than a USAir A330 coming in on short finals. That wingspan, the backwards t
51 Post contains images BA747400 : Oh yea, Make that 6 alright! I love that scheme!   Just as Bennett123 stated: I fully agree. Granted I understand that putting some paint on a plane
52 Jush : yeah they might know it but the general public still judges airplanes for their appearence.. a bad livery or f*cked up one like this scares at least
53 Post contains links and images TPASXM787 : Wow...jumping on US for a paint job. On some of the planes the US livery seems to not take well for one reason or another. Chances are the 733 will be
54 Flyboyaz : Give em a break..they are in bankruptcy. Their concentrating their resources right where they should be...keeping the planes in the air! I think that'
55 Post contains images DeltaRules : I'll be number 7...I like US' livery, especially on the A330. DeltaRules
56 Midway2airtran : To my knowledge, the B737's will not get a chance at the new paint since part of the merger is ending the leases and retiring all the old B737 birds.
57 HPRamper : Not all the 737s are being retired, in fact they are keeping some while retiring some of the older A319s. Not sure about US aircraft, but HP flies the
58 Supa7E7 : US and HP combined have about 150 737-300 and 737-400s. It's not like they are going to retire all 150 of the planes. Just some of the more maintenanc
59 NKP S2 : We're talking past each other here. I'm not referring to SEC filings validity. I'm referring to corporate mouthpieces who deliberately distort throug
60 1MillionFlyer : Since the information is in the public domain and available to anyone with half a brain I would say if people take things for face value they deserve
61 Qantas777 : i dont give ten craps if you cant afford new paint, re-paint the plane. No excuses. What a crap airline. I would never get on a plane like that 733 ab
62 Midway2AirTran : I see where NKP S2 is coming from, but it is the media outlets that chose how implement the content they expose to the masses. The media has the choi
63 SWA TPA : In defense of that WN 737 pic, the paint is not peeling off. It's just really faded. In a very odd pattern too! I wonder why the airlines dont put a
64 NKP S2 : Cute, except for the fact that the media ( especially the business media ) being de-facto corporate shills is by now legendary...a trusim that damn n
65 1MillionFlyer : I can agree with you on this, ignorance is no excuse for bad judgement but in our litigious society people tend to blame other for their own shortcom
66 NKP S2 : There's no doubt ( in my mind anyhow ) that today's short-term obsessed market has led a generation to ask for, and expect, growth rates that are unsu
67 Post contains images AndrewUber : Wow - that's way cool - I shot this aircraft in Indianapolis on the 3rd, and Malcolm Anderson got it the next day in YYZ! Looks like it actually lost
68 PlaneSmart : But change starts at the top. Great management attract great staff and inspire great effort.
69 Mx330 : Hey Malcolm! Its nice to see you shot with this thread... You should work on plane appraisal now! Juan
70 Post contains images 1MillionFlyer : and great management costs lots of dollars unfortunetly
71 Cubsrule : I sense sarcasm, but as some here have some trouble with sarcasm, let's be absolutely clear that UA's new c/s is costing them nothing (besides design
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