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LanExpress To Replace 19 B732 Soon  
User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2291 times:
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Hi

according to an interview in a chilean newspaper (Prensa de Concepcion) with Pedro pablo Errazuriz, the CEO of LanExpress, the airline is in advanced stages of a fleet renewal plan. Around 19 B732 will leave the fleet within 3-4 years and shal be replaced by more fuel economic short haul aircrafts for the chilean domestic market. Alternatives are B737NG, Embraer Jets or the Airbus A318.

I'l try to investigate further on that topic.

Mario
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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

Quoting LH526 (Thread starter):
Alternatives are B737NG, Embraer Jets or the Airbus A318.

Did the CEO name these aircraft? B737NG wouldn't make sense considering LAN's existing fleet of 19 A32X aircraft (plus nine to be delivered). A mix of Embraers and A319 should be able to do the job.


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2274 times:
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Quoting Udo (Reply 1):
id the CEO name these aircraft?

Yes, from what I was told he mentioned exactly these three alternatives.

Mario
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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8467 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2259 times:
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Since the 732's are used on domestic routes, the EMB 170-195 family would be ideal, with the 190/195 models being the best bet.

The 73G is unlikely given the large Airbus A319/320 fleet.

Perhaps a mix of additional A319 and some EMB's would be a good bet.

Be interesting to see what they decide.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2249 times:
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IMO the B737NGs have no chance considering their A320 fleet. Looks like a clean win for airbus

User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

LAN Express will go for more Airbus A318/319/320


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2194 times:
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I think LAN has to do something about it's smaller aiport connections. Flying from Calama to Arica for example either goes down south via Copiapo or via Antofagasta. There aint no no direct leg Calama - Arica or Copiapo - Arica. I heard those routes are proposed to be high yielded. What about a small Embraer operating those routes where an Airbus would have too much capacity?
Same applies to the southern regions of Chile ...
Or what about Vi�a del Mar - Santiago as Ladeco did y century ago?
I guess soon LanExpress will take the smaller airports into focus and will enhance service there. Not every flight has to go via SCL.
I ever wondered why there is no nonstop flight Arica - Punta Arenas ... sure the yield would be low .. but wouldn't it be a funny routing anyway?

Mario
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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2046 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 6):
Or what about Vina del Mar - Santiago as Ladeco did y century ago?

The combination of the seasonal nature of travel to Valparaiso and Vina and complete lack of O&D would make that hard, I imagine.

If LA wants to have some fleet commonality (I question how important this is to them given the state of the widebody fleet), airbii would make the most sense. F9 flies 318s in a one-class configuration with 114 seats at generous pitch (33 inches I think). That's pretty close to the 120 seats currently in the 732s.

One of the problems with getting anything much smaller than the 732s is the amount of income that cargo has got to account for on a lot of the longer flights (CJC, ANF, IQQ, ARI, BBA, PMC, PUQ-SCL). You'll see some real empty flights on some of those routes on which LA is probably making a killing on cargo. It would be interesting to see what they could do with like an A319 combi freighter. That, of course, is all but completely unlikely to happen.



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 6):
. I heard those routes are proposed to be high yielded. What about a small Embraer operating those routes where an Airbus would have too much capacity?

Although at a rough thought I don't imagine why these routes would be profitable, profits are a mix of the right market with the right aircraft. I've always thought than LAN hasn't explore regional flights with smaller aircraft; there are no flight connecting Chile's north and south without connecting in SCL.
The same for flights to Argentina; we Chileans love BsAs, but why not a single flight CCP-EZE, ZCO-EZE, IQQ-EZE or PMC-EZE?

Quoting LH526 (Reply 6):
Or what about Vi�a del Mar - Santiago as Ladeco did y century ago?



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
The combination of the seasonal nature of travel to Valparaiso and Vina and complete lack of O&D would make that hard, I imagine

Actually, the new highways and roads outbound Santiago allow ground connection to Vina/Valparaiso in 1 hour... but, considering that the whole region is the second largest, I think smaller aircraft would do a terrific job for KNA-IQQ, KNA-CCP, KNA-PMC. But considering the geografy of Vina, the llack of flat land restrict airport facilities a lot. VAT is almost unexistant, and Torquemada airport (KNA) is actually an air field, not an airport. More investment is requiered.
Vina was connected in the early 90s by UC and their BAC111. KNA also has in that same period direct connection to other cities as proposed above by ALTA, although prices were outrageous, besides there were small props a/c with no in flight service. Absolutely not appealing service.


Great news if they finally gives a fare rest to their noble but tired Boeings 737...



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User currently offlineE_Cantu From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

Booo. If it don't burst your ears and belch smoke it ain't an aeroplane.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22680 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
and Torquemada airport (KNA) is actually an air field, not an airport. More investment is requiered.

How long is the runway at KNA? Most of the aircraft we're talking about here would be just fine (i.e. no restrictions ever) with about 1800 or 1900 meters.



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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1847 times:
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Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
Although at a rough thought I don't imagine why these routes would be profitable, profits are a mix of the right market with the right aircraft.

My uncle is in the high management in the mining business. He said all those mining / desert industrie companies would pay 1000 US$ per pax without a blink of an eye for direct routings like Calama-Arica or simmilar.
Operating a Emb 135 service on these routings can be more profitable than carrying tourists on a 100 US$ fare.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
Torquemada airport (KNA) is actually an air field, not an airport. More investment is requiered.

Well, they do have a small "terminal" building (actually a big tin shed with glas facades), it's quite new and suitable for these "4 flights a day" operations.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 8):
I think smaller aircraft would do a terrific job for KNA-IQQ, KNA-CCP, KNA-PMC. But considering the geografy of Vina

Aeromet did KNA-CCP 2 years ago with their sole BAe Jetstream 31 ... they failed miserably ... so it looks like the market in that sector is down.

Mario
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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3802 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Quoting LH526 (Thread starter):
I'l try to investigate further on that topic.

Hey Mario, I thought you're busy as hell with your exams!

Oh, I know - you're hoping for a new plane to enter LAN's fleet so you can expand your safetycard collection!

(Edit: Typo)

[Edited 2005-06-19 11:38:53]


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User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2347 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1838 times:
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Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 12):
Hey Mario, I thought you're busy as hell with your exams!

I am ... but 30° Centigrade make it hard to focus on university stuff  Smile

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 12):
Oh, I know - you're hoping for a new plane to enter LAN's fleet so you can expand your safetycard collection!

Busted! You got me on that!  Smile

Mario
LH526



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User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2406 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 11):
Aeromet did KNA-CCP 2 years ago with their sole BAe Jetstream 31 ... they failed miserably ... so it looks like the market in that sector is down.

Success is not a matter of product only, you need to comunicate first, and provide service then. The fact that they failed does not mean that LAN, with it's efficiency, LANPass, network, etc wouldn't do it.

But, regional expansion might be a different business model, who knows?

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