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Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!  
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7005 times:

Move over Paris! The real news is that RR have bought a 747-200 for flight testing of the Trent 1000 and subsequent engines. There's a photo of it on their website and it looks pretty smart.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/showPR.jsp?PR_ID=40219

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6965 times:

Will it be transfered to UK register?.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 6938 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Will it be transfered to UK register?

Seems unlikely. RR are moving all their flight testing to a new centre in the US. Moreover, when it suits them, RR like to emphasise that they are an international or even a partly US company rather than a purely British one. And, in fairness, they are - not least after taking over Alison. The plane will be registered N787RR. Perhaps it'll be at Farnborough next year or at Paris in 2007.

GE have an old 747-100 (interestingly, with PW JT9s) as a testbed. PW don't have their own 747, do they?


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 6890 times:

http://www.alair.com/avdata/post_gencompg2.htm

They say that TF-ATC is having a C Check and that TF-ATD has just completed a C Check.

I thought that TF-ATC was scrapped at Kemble.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6761 times:

US real estate at airports is easier to come by than in the UK!

America has the benefits of plentiful, economical parking and also some nice long runways in deserted (or close to) locations, which is what you need for testing experimental engines. Flying engines on an A340 out of Toulouse isn't really ideal.

Testbeds also sit for long periods between operations, and that's a factor too.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Glad to see another 742 is recovered before going to the desert!

Where is Rolls Royce's current base in the UK?

Rob!


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Where is Rolls Royce's current base in the UK?

Their corporate HQ is in London and they manufacture at a number of sites in the UK. Hucknall used to be where things happened but that's going back a bit... I'm not sure they really have a 'base'.

Didn't something also happen at Leavesden...?


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13253 posts, RR: 77
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 6597 times:

Main UK plant at Derby, also the centre of design I think for big fans like the Trent series.

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 6539 times:
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Not quite as unusual as the VC-10 RR used for the original RB211 testing before service entry on the TriStar in the early 1970s

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Photo © Graham Dives


Some interesting background info on this aircraft on the VC-10 Website, including the story of the near disaster when the RB211's thrust reverser deployed inflight...

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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

RR will also need to consider testing the Trent 1000 for the 787, something their Trent testbed might 'not be available for'....seeing as it's an A340 owned by Airbus!

Having their own four holer for testing is always going to be the best solution and the 742 is probably the only candidate on price and availability grounds as well as being a large, stable platform.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

They are doing a conversion. Think it will entail adding a cargo door so they would be able to haul spare engines around as well as test them?


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6142 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
. PW don't have their own 747, do they

Interestingly enough when PW did the testing on the PW4000 for the 777 they used the City Of Everett, Boeing's prototype 747.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
They are doing a conversion. Think it will entail adding a cargo door so they would be able to haul spare engines around as well as test them?

The Russians are doing a lot of engine hauling at the moment, if Rolls modify a pylon on their 747 for testing then they would need to modify it back again to refit the RB211 as well as subsystems in order to shoot across the pond for transporting new engines to test.
It may be more convenient to just use existing carriers to ship engines out to the test site. Even FedEx or UPS can haul engines for airlines if needed.


User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2036 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 5939 times:

Versatile creatures these 747 testbeds!


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 5893 times:

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 12):
Versatile creatures these 747 testbeds!

There isn't anything better at the moment. The 747 can fly comfortably on 3 cans, is extremely forgiving to fly and with the four hole setup the inboard pylon is ideal for doing the testbed work.

There is also a huge amount of space for the monitoring equipment and staff which makes the job easier.


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

It's gonna be RR or PW powered?  Wink

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7000 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 14):
It's gonna be RR or PW powered?

It's "gonna" be RR powered - that's the point! (But the other three engines? Take a wild guess - it an old Cathay machine.)


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Love the tail design,

very nice


User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3017 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 years 6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2727 times:

At least Rolls got one with their own engines on it!

GE's 741 has Pratts! lol!!

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The RB211-524C2-powered aircraft...



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