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User currently offlineIL96M From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

Recently I flew UA 744 (UA888) PEK-SFO, and I was flying C in the upper deck. Before takeoff the flight-deck door was opened, and I was very excited to see that both captain and 1st officer (not relief pilots) were both ladies.

I have often had one lady in the flight deck, and if you listen on United's Channel 8 you can hear many talking, but it's the first time all-female crew - and on a 744! (They did a splendid job of flying us over to SFO). Is this a growing trend (but never seen in Asia or Europe)?

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User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11230 times:

U missed the Comair flt in South Africa where the WHOLE crew, CPT F/O and Cabin staff were all Female. There was a big thing about it in the papers last year as its the first time ever that has happened

User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11229 times:

I have seen an all-female crew on Comair (DL Connex) here in the US operating CVG-DAB-CVG on a CRJ-700.


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User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11211 times:

Someone posted a while back that Air India recently had their first all female crew operating. Can't remember exactly, but I think it was on an A-310.


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User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11149 times:

I belive that Indian Airlines has done this a while back.

PG


User currently offlineQantasA380 From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11117 times:

I've never had an all girls crew, but I have had them outnumber guys 2-1 (pilot + attendant) and 3-1 (pilot + 2 attendants) on Dash 8s around Australia before, and each time as the handling pilot. I've also had a female F/O as the handling pilot on a B734 into Canberra through heavy rain, wind and turbulence. They are bloody wonderful, despite what arrogant male pilots will tell you, some of the best landings ever (and the only time I've ever seen both main gear struts go down at the same time on a Dash!!)!!!

Cheers...



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User currently offlineFlykal From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 442 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11064 times:

Quoting QantasA380 (Reply 5):
I've also had a female F/O as the handling pilot on a B734 into Canberra through heavy rain, wind and turbulence.

I find it strange to read comments such as this. Why is this so spectacular? The fact is that female pilots are trained in exactly the same way as us male versions, and if they can't fly the airplane through heavy rain, wind and turbulence...then they shouldn't be flying. Same applies for male pilots.

Yes it is wonderful that we now have female pilots, and looking from the other perspective, one could say it's wonderful that we now have male cabin crew.

As for the comments about smoother landings...please! No two landings could ever be the same, so it's pointless commenting on. Everyone has good landings and not so good ones.



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User currently onlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4844 posts, RR: 26
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11051 times:
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Working at Southwest, I have only seen two female pilots on the same aircraft once. They actually came to my gate twice in the same day (and remembered me when they returned Big grin). Anyway, I thought it was a neat thing to see.


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 982 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 10945 times:

Quoting Flykal (Reply 6):
I find it strange to read comments such as this. Why is this so spectacular? The fact is that female pilots are trained in exactly the same way as us male versions, and if they can't fly the airplane through heavy rain, wind and turbulence...then they shouldn't be flying. Same applies for male pilots.

Yes it is wonderful that we now have female pilots, and looking from the other perspective, one could say it's wonderful that we now have male cabin crew.

As for the comments about smoother landings...please! No two landings could ever be the same, so it's pointless commenting on. Everyone has good landings and not so good ones.

I can't speak for everyone but I think it is a proud moment to see two women in the cockpit. I was not trying to imply that this is something to make fun of.



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10919 times:

I don't understand this thread. So what? Is there any special about it? I had a few times an all female crew. I couldn't care less. There is no difference when they are trained the same, what I expect.

User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10816 times:

Channel 8!? Who the hell have I been listening to on channel 9 then!?  rotfl 


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User currently offlineOzGuy From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 392 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10796 times:

I can see that all pilots are trained to do the same job and have to meet the same competencies required to work as airliner pilots but I have a soft spot for female pilots. I have massive respect for all pilots for doing what they do and for the sacrifices/obstacles they've most likely had to face at one point or another to get to where they are but I always like seeing a young female FOs pull up the gates in their 737 at my local airport. I've never been on a flight that I was aware there was a female pilot on (believe it or not) so I'm hoping I get one flying the 747 I'm taking to Singapore on the 30th...

FlyKal, I know it's getting common these days but I still find it cool.
I'm also fond of the fact that we have male cabin crew now aswell. (well, males dominated that field before women got the chance to in the first place I believe, but the fact that it's getting more popular with guys is a welcome trend in my books)

Cheers,
OzGuy


User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 674 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10783 times:

There was a photo I saw once of an all-female cockpit crew for People Express airlines back in the early 1980s.

SparkingWave



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User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10771 times:

Quoting IL96M (Thread starter):
They did a splendid job of flying us over to SFO

What an incredibly patronising thing to say. Why wouldn't they have done a good job, and why should their skills be worthy of comment just because they are women?


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10761 times:
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Quoting Trekster (Reply 1):
U missed the Comair flt in South Africa where the WHOLE crew, CPT F/O and Cabin staff were all Female. There was a big thing about it in the papers last year as its the first time ever that has happened

They missed the bus a few years back. We were on a SA Express flight back in 1995 when an all-female crew (cockpit and cabin) operated the flight JNB-BFN. A film crew of the SABC (South African Broadcasting Corp) was also onboard to tape it for a breakfast show. I have it somewhere on videotape; the problem is to find it... Big grin

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User currently offlineVgnAtl747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1514 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10634 times:

We have also had an all female crew flying OH CVG-BGM-CVG... Comair has quite a few female captains and F/O's...


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User currently offlineFlyboy80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10606 times:

I love it when sterotypes are reversed!!! And show the real way things work. For instance, I was on an HP flight (319) from LAS-PHX about two years ago. Flight deck was all female, and cabin crew was all male! Pretty awesome to see things changing...

User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10578 times:

Quoting IL96M (Thread starter):
Recently I flew UA 744 (UA888) PEK-SFO, and I was flying C in the upper deck. Before takeoff the flight-deck door was opened, and I was very excited to see that both captain and 1st officer (not relief pilots) were both ladies.

UA has a few female pilots... most noteable is Capt. Meryl Getline.

Her is a pic of herself with her female F/O and male reserve pilot.



I believe the flight here is in May 05 UA902 IAD-MUC.



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User currently offlineKen777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 8419 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 10482 times:

Happened to me about 20 years ago on an AA DFW-OKC flight. Both flight deck and cabin were manned (?) by women and they advised of the situation as we started our decent. AA didn't consider the sex of the staff when assigning flights at that time and I doubt if they do now.

As for the first FAs - as I recall initially they were nurses in the US and would have probably been women.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

Women in a flight is not anymore something very uncommon !!!

20 years ago, on Feb. 8th 1985, The Air Inter Mercure operating a flight ORY-FNI was served by an all female crew : 3 flight attendant and 3 Cockpit crew :

Captain Anne Marie Peltier (now retired), First Officer Brigitte L. (Now AF Captain on A320), and flight engineer Colette V. (now AF Captain on A320)


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User currently offlineQantas777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 484 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10329 times:

oh, god help us all if they would ever happen to me. Two women up front!

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4580 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 10303 times:

Quoting Qantas777 (Reply 20):
Two women up front!

Is that a good or bad thing? At least if they got lost there is someone that will call the tower and ask for directions.  Smile



Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10277 times:

Unless it is women who also load the bags, there is no equality given... :P

But that would be quite a deal, an entire flight, including ground ops, ATC, crew... all done by women... Some people would be scared...



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User currently offlineIL96M From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10226 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 13):
What an incredibly patronising thing to say.

I was just being polite, you poncy Brit.


User currently offlineDarthRandall From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 302 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 10202 times:

Damn it, from the title of this thread I thought it was going to be about something a little more....interesting.


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25 Post contains images Justplanecrazy : i had a flight a recently where some of the passengers started clapping when we landed,i didnt know why until i saw that the captain was a female
26 Gilligan : A few years ago while working the wx room a pilot came in and said in a loud and nasal east tx twang, "Sh-tfire, I just jumpseated on a Southwest flig
27 Viscount630 : Hardly an unusual event these days, surely? The Uk's first lady Captain, Yvonne Sintes, was appointed back in the 60's. The story of her hard work on
28 Post contains images TatTVC : My mom is a DC-10 Capitan for FX; she often flies with a first and second Officer that are female. (She says they have more fun, if it's a good crew!
29 Gilligan : Funny how if that was an all male crew that said that they'd be deemed sexist and in need of some sensitivity training.
30 Post contains images PK786 : I just wish they were little more nice looking so flight will be more colorful and pleasant
31 Post contains images Pac : A couple yars ago ,is was heading for a Fedex flt form MEM to CDG, the Captain was happy to to see me..a Male Jumpseater,cuz 1st & 2 nd Officer were f
32 Post contains images Brucek : Good thread. I flew on a United B777 from Auckland (NZAA) to LAX in 2001. Both Captain and FO were women, with another 2 male pilots as reserve. I not
33 Faenum : Am I right in thinking this is Yvonne Pope who, in 1975, became the first woman jet captain in the UK? I remember her from 1966 when I worked in Brit
34 Tatfsn : There's a very good book that was first published over 30 years ago, "She'll Never Get Off the Ground," by Robert Serling. It was a ficticious story a
35 Post contains images Iwok : The title of the post is very misleading; I was hoping for some other "aviation news". iwok
36 Pualani : The 1st all female crew I believe was at my airline (HA). This happened in the late 70's on a Shorts 330.The captain was Sherri Emminger. Not sure who
37 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : I don't understand why people think female pilots are more unsafe than males. They pass the same tests, get the same ratings, and make the same XX dol
38 Reggaebird : I have been on a flight (I think that it was UA) where the flight crew was all-female and the cabin crew was all-male. That was interesting but not wo
39 Santhosh : That is correct. Air India has got ladies who fly their A310 series. Since I frequently monitor the air traffic control frequencies using the VHF sca
40 Post contains images KDTWFlyer : Hey NW has had female only DC10 crews!
41 OzGuy : What plane type is it in the Boeingfever777 shot? I can tell it's got two throttle levers but I'm not realy good at cockpit recognition...I was thinki
42 Ha763 : HA only claims this was the first all female crew in America only. It was in 1979.
43 QantasA380 : Are you actually a pilot Flykal??? Because you may not appreciate what I have to say. I have met a lot of pilots, both male and female. I am well awa
44 Apodino : Definitely a 777. The two display panels over the f/o's shoulder are side by side glass, and there are two thrust levers, meaning two engines. United
45 OzGuy : Thanks Adopino, I thought it was 777 but was unsure. I thought I'd heard of this high profile united captain before and (vaguely) thought she looked f
46 AirIndiaOne : Air India celebrates Women's Day by having an all-women crew aboard their regular flights. Affirmitive. Sahara does have a couple of women F/O.
47 DC10rules : Oz guy I believe that UA pic is a 767-300 or 777-200 hard to tell. Im sure an expert will be able to tell you for sure. Tim[Edited 2005-06-19 05:20:08
48 IslipWN : On a WN flight from ISP to BWI, we had an all female flight crew! Let me tell you, that captain was one wild one too! She looked like a motorcycle rid
49 Cbphoto : Has to be a 777, a 767 cockpit is semi-glass, where as the picture above is an all glass cockpit! I once had an all female flight crew on a UA 735 fr
50 Post contains links OzGuy : Yeah, I've been looking up her details (maybe not the best idea before exams) and she's got a whole heap of pics from her travels in the 777 with othe
51 Post contains images UAalltheway : of course! she's my idol! =p The only all-female flight I've ever been on was last spring, United Express (AWAC) BaE-146 HDN-DEN. Job well done.
52 FlyMIA : I was going to post that picture. That site has some pretty cool pictures. Anyway I have only had three female pilots on my flights before. All were
53 Viscount630 : Yep - that's the lady! Originally working as cabin crew for BOAC in the 1950's, she started flying through membership of the Airways Flying Club and
54 Post contains links and images BoeingFever777 : Go to her site! She pilots the 777 most of the time. She even takes pics of her a/c before she flys. Also is not the early evening/only flight outa I
55 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : 50% of our EMS crews are all female. No big deal. I don't understand why elderly patients are surprised when three women walk in carrying all the equi
56 Flykal : Yes. Your initial post was referring to flying ability, your follow-up post deals with personality. Two very different animals. I've flown with guys
57 Trident2e : Indded they were - they were also sexist when it came to employing cabin crew and only employed men when they were forced to do so.
58 StealthZ : LOL.. This may have nothing to do with female flight crew.. or it might I have no idea who was flying, I was watching a Dash 8 land on 34L at SYD yes
59 StealthZ : That saved me askng the question, I was at SYD last Sunday (June 12) and heard a KAL flight departing, the pilot talking with ATC was female and it w
60 Ein145 : Recently had an all female flight crew on a BOS-DUB flight on EI. Two of the cabin crew were male though. I think its nice to see more gender balance
61 B747-437B : No. Air India still requires that there be a male Inflight Supervisor on board every flight. There have been all-female cockpit crew, but the cabin c
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