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RUMOR: US Airways A330 Fails FAA Inspection  
User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2444 times:

A friend of mine told me that US Airways failed the FAA inspections of the A330 because their flight attendants couldn't evacuate the aircraft in 90 seconds. How funny is that!

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User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

While it may bring a little chuckle to us I am sure that US Airways doesn't find it funny! Hmm and just yesterday someone was saying that US Airways loved their A330s because it was such a great aircraft. First let US Airways learn to operate it first and then tell us how great it is  


"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2204 times:

I forgot to mention that on the fourth attempt, they finally got it. But from what I understand, they're having some operations problems related to the new aircraft. Catering doesn't know how to handle them yet, the flight attendants are still fumbling, and it seems that the only people who are ready to go are the pilots.

If I have to fly a 767 to Frankfurt in two weeks, I'm going to be REALLY cranky.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2145 times:

It's harder than one might expect to certify the craft's evacuation. Part of the problem is that the jet had a faulty slide, so F/As could not use that exit. The other issue is that it was certified with the minimum of 8 F/As, while they will actually fly the plane with at least 12. This is so that (I think) if something should happen such that only 11 or fewer F/As are available for whatever reason, the flight doesn't have to be cancelled. (However, those F/As hopefully would be paid extra for extra work.)
Trust me, with 12 F/As, evac in 90 seconds would be much easier.



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User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2105 times:

Its a premiere for the A330 in North America. So its normal that service personnel and other personnel has problems with it.
But it has finally passed certification.

Avion


User currently offlineGoooooaaal From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2071 times:

One of the sad legacies of the 737 crash in Pittsburgh is the USAirways A330... I am not talking Airbus/Boeing and all that stuff, just that it would have been ever so sweet to see the 777 in USAirways colors! Imagine going transatlantic in a USAIRWAYS 777!
You've come a long way Allegheny!


User currently offlineATRpilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2058 times:

Gee, if they are having a hard time evacuating an A330 I'd hate to see what happens when they someone tries to certify the A3XX!

User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2053 times:

A330 is not a premiere in North America. Yes, USAirways is first US Airline operating this aircraft, but look from the other side,
-How come ground service people have problem with it?
Like cattering service, they not supposed to have problems. How many A330 fly daily to US?
A330 is almost the same as A340.
Lufthansa fly them, Swissair, Sabena, AirTransat, AirFrance, Iberia, Virgin Atlantic (I'm talking about A330 and 340 in general) and many more airlines that operate them. So if ground service can do Swissair A330 why they cant do USAirways A330???

I still feel sorry for USAirways that they bought A330 over Boeing aircraft.

Rafal


User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

Actually, the 90 second evacuation test has to be done with half the exits inoperative. The tests are very strict. I saw the Boeing 777 tests, the plane was packed out with 420 pax, luggage was strewn in the aisles and the aircraft was in total darkness. Nobody involved knew which 4 exits wouldn't open. In the end only 419 people got out in under 90 seconds, because somebody paniked and ran to the wrong exit, so the 777 is only certified to carry 419 people. If any airline wanted to carry more they would have to repeat the test!

Also, nobody has yet said this is old news, the evac tests have to be done before the aircraft enters service. US Airways couldn't have put the A330 into service and then find out they couldn't meet the 90 second rule! Any problems in this area will have been sorted before service entry.

I can't see any reason why there should have been trouble, the A330 is almost exactly the same size as the 777 with the same number and type of exits. How many people were involved in the test? Was it just an A330 in US Airways config or one with the max number of all-economy seats, 440? I suspect it was probably the second.

There are always problems when a new type is introduced, simply because the staff of US Airways are inexperienced (with the A330) and are still getting to know their airplane.

The A330 is a fine aircraft, popular with airlines and passengers, and should do very well in enhancing US Airways international product over the 767, which really can't compete with the A330/340s and 747/777s of other carriers.


User currently offlinePanman From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Aug 1999, 790 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Jet Setter wrote:
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I can't see any reason why there should have been trouble, the A330 is almost exactly the same size as the 777 with the same number and type of exits. How many people were involved in the test? Was it just an A330 in US Airways config or one with the max number of all-economy seats, 440? I suspect it was probably the second.

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Can anyone tell me why I laughed when I read the first sentence in that paragraph?

Almost exactly the same size? What the seats? or are you looking at them from strange angles?

Panman


User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Yes - SEATS. I was talking from an evacuation standpoint. The A330-300 has a maximum of 440 seats, the B777-200 has a maxiumum of 420 (419 - see above). Both have 8 double-width exits in the same locations. I'd say that was similar    

User currently offlineAmerican B757 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Its turning into an Airbus VS boeing thing. "Boeing this airbus that", or "I wish they would go with 777s", I do think that it would have been nice if they would have, but we need to accept the fact that US has ordered the A330 [which is also a great airplane], and they are still getting to know the airplane. The same thing could have happened with the 767-400 or 777.



I am not trying to start a fight, just telling my views.


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

This shouldn't turn into the typical AvB fight. The fact is that US ordered A330 aircraft. Period.

User currently offlineAC_A340 From Canada, joined Sep 1999, 2251 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1951 times:

Air Canada has been operating the A330 since October. And technically UA owns them, (the AC ones) if I recall. So US Airways is not the first operator in NA or the first owner in the US.

Just thought I'd clear that up.


User currently offlineJet Setter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

If we're going to be exact Skyservice were the first North American A330 operator, with their ex-LTU A330-300

Click for large version
Click here for full size photo!

Photo © Gary Gentle


Look at the titles on the aircraft in this photo.

Next was Canada 3000 with their -200s, Air Transat with their -200s, and next Air Canada with their -300s.

If things had gone to plan however, TWA, Northwest and Continental should all have introduced A330/340 fleets years ago, but that, as they say, is another stoty...

Best Regards
james 


User currently offlineAvion From Bouvet Island, joined May 1999, 2205 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Lindy:
Does any A330 fly to Pittsburg, Philadelphia or Charlotte? I think thats why the ground personnel doesnt know it so well.

Avion


User currently offlineHypermike From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1001 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

The first route to get the A330 is PHL-CDG.

User currently offlineNicolaki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Just a little correction, US Airways is not the first airlines to operate a A330 - Air Canada had 2 delivered in 99 http://www.aircanada.ca/images/aboutus/airplanes/a330.jpg

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