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Is This A Security Risk (at LHR)?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8094 times:

Found this in the database.....Isn't this a major security risk?


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8077 times:

Personally, I would think this would be a bigger risk:


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But as long as they are guarded properly, I don't see a problem with it.

Harry



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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8072 times:

Yes, you're right. My suggestion is that the BA Maintenence hangars be blocked off until further notice and that the matter be investigated thoroughly.

Or maybe it's not.


User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5128 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Found this in the database.....Isn't this a major security risk?

Not everybody in this world is as paranoia as the US are...... We like to relax and enjoy life...

KL911


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
Personally, I would think this would be a bigger risk:

DITTO Big grin

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Found this in the database.....Isn't this a major security risk?

I really don't think it is since that is the maintenance hangar. This terrorism threat isn't as bad as it is portrayed in the media, but EVEN if it were to be, you can't really kill many people when carrying out an attack on an empty aircraft being towed into/out of the maintenance hangar. Besides, I am sure it is well guarded  Wink



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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8027 times:

Hong Kong (old airport) risky!
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New airport in CA - nothing!
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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7876 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Found this in the database.....Isn't this a major security risk?

Why? It's guarded (see the security hut under the "British"), so what's the problem? Those booms block access when the road is open. And it's nowhere near the runways.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7808 times:

Re pic 1, that situation is no longer present.

Barriers now block the road before the 'aircraft' gates are opened.



Lee



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7796 times:

Yeah, I sure hope you're enjoying life next time a terrorist blows himself up on a bus in Europe.....Or perhaps this resonates more, a filmaker brutally killed while riding his bike. Your European righteousness adds nothing to the discussion.

Don't worry, man, it's not worth the effort. This is the same guy who thought we were talking about the south of France when we were talking about the sunset bar at SXM. If you go by his signature, it appears he is never sober.

True, but it is an incredibly easy target...And it's fairly difficult to destroy an aircraft these days (or so I hope)....This appears to be a loophole.

There are some areas around airports that do seem as though they are serious security risks. I guess in this case, it is more a case of necessity. The planes have to get to the other part of the maintenance facility to the other, and there is a road in the way. Just another possible security risk to point out, and I think this one is quite possible the most risky of all of them:


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Harry



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User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

They're towing a BA 744 over to the maintenance hanger. Where's the risk?

User currently onlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2246 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7771 times:

Oh my god, the world is unsecure, and insecure, and...and ....well you know.....somebody better do something! :0

Let's stop all aviation activity until this is fixed. Wait, that WOULD fix it. Ships? Overland shipping?
Private automobiles!! Now there is a threat. Let's keep all private vehicles off the roads until we can be sure thay are secure.



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

They're towing a BA 744 over to the maintenance hanger. Where's the risk?

What if that truck on the left had a bomb, and suddenly sped forward and exploded? I say that is a risk, especially in this day of global terrorism.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7760 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
I think this one is quite possible the most risky of all of them:

good call, Newark777. I am sure no passengers are in that plane ... (why need passengers when taxing to/from maintenance facility)



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7745 times:

Oh my god, the world is unsecure, and insecure, and...and ....well you know.....somebody better do something! :0

Let's stop all aviation activity until this is fixed. Wait, that WOULD fix it. Ships? Overland shipping?
Private automobiles!! Now there is a threat. Let's keep all private vehicles off the roads until we can be sure thay are secure.



opening another bottle of FRENCH wine


Thank you for your completely useless post, which proved nothing, and accomplished nothing but the lowering of all of our IQ's by reading it.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
What if that truck on the left had a bomb, and suddenly sped forward and exploded? I say that is a risk, especially in this day of global terrorism.

For crying out loud! A suicide car just happens to be driving along that road at the moment an empty 744 choses to cross. You do know there is a tunnel under 27R/09L used by all traffic to access T123? Inventing paranoid disaster scenarios about the towing of the 744 is a somewhat misplaced used of the apocalyptic imagination.

Besides, why would an terrorist bother to blow up an empty 744? They clearly find it far more appealing to blow up their own people.


User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
Yeah, I sure hope you're enjoying life next time a terrorist blows himself up on a bus in Europe.....Or perhaps this resonates more, a filmaker brutally killed while riding his bike. Your European righteousness adds nothing to the discussion.

Coming from an Amercian I'd say that's a clear case of the kettle calling the pot black! Americans invented self-righteousness, don't you know.


User currently offlineGlom From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2815 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7655 times:

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 16):
Coming from an Amercian I'd say that's a clear case of the kettle calling the pot black! Americans invented self-righteousness, don't you know.

But to be fair, Europeans have copied the concept very well. Still, he is being paranoid.


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7634 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
What if that truck on the left had a bomb, and suddenly sped forward and exploded? I say that is a risk, especially in this day of global terrorism.



Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
True, but it is an incredibly easy target...

Why would any stupid terrorist want to target an empty aircraft. I thought they kill people to actually "claim" something...

Besides, it's guarded. The British wouldn't let a security loophole at LHR pass them by. There are so many other (easier) ways to blow up an aircraft than to do it from this place.



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User currently offlineRTFM From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7612 times:

Actually the answer is yes (according to those who have responsibility for security at LHR). Which is why the Eastchurch Crossing is going to be permanently closed this year. The road around the east side of the maintenace base is currently being upgraded and a new road put in. Once the roadworks have been completed (I think they are due to be finished around Sep/Oct this year) then the road crossing will be permanently closed and fenced off.

User currently offlineBCNGRO From Andorra, joined Oct 2004, 584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7582 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Isn't this a major security risk?



OMG! Look at this train: It's stopped at the train station and its doors are open. Anyone could get on it with a bomb and blow it up! It's a major security risk! Let's not travel by train until this is fixed!

Quoting KL911 (Reply 3):
Not everybody in this world is as paranoia as the US are...

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At the bus station, buses stop. At the train station, trains stop. At my desk, I have a work station.
User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7548 times:
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It's hardly a security risk, only to those living in a paranoid world with their bogus colour-coded warning system post 9-11. Just who would want to harm an empty 747 being towed across a road at 5 mph? You can accuse BAA of a lot of things, but i doubt they would cut corners as far as safety and security is concerned.


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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7456 times:

Actually the answer is yes (according to those who have responsibility for security at LHR). Which is why the Eastchurch Crossing is going to be permanently closed this year. The road around the east side of the maintenace base is currently being upgraded and a new road put in. Once the roadworks have been completed (I think they are due to be finished around Sep/Oct this year) then the road crossing will be permanently closed and fenced off.

Thank you RTFM. And what do all of you who mocked me say about this?


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
Thank you RTFM. And what do all of you who mocked me say about this?

If you are referring to me as well, I never mocked you  Smile

I still think it is not a safety loophole taking into account the layers of defense built into the concept, but certainly their future plans regarding the crossing will make it safeR  Wink



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7400 times:

When planes aren't crossing that road you can actually pretty much walk up to the SA 747 that's usually parked there, off course you'd get stopped, but there's a a gap in the barrier.

The biggest risk come from people like me driving down that road looking at the planes. Car control goes out of the window.  no 


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

The biggest risk come from people like me driving down that road looking at the planes. Car control goes out of the window.

Think that's bad, I am thoroughly distracted while driving past EWR on the Turnpike, and that road is a little bigger.  Wink

Harry



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25 Columbia107 : Newark777 is right that Gibraltar airport is has its own peculiar security problems. For a start the runway is bisected by a road which constitutes t
26 Speedbird2155 : Actually, security was but one of the reasons for the road being closed. It also has to do with the traffic flow, which currently has to be interrupt
27 Post contains images Viscount630 : Really? I've not lived in the area for a long time, but that was always a MAJOR route for local traffic, and not just airport related. What will be t
28 Aerorobnz : As has already been stated - there are barriers that come down, and the pedestrian gates lock so no one can walk through on the footpath. Not a securi
29 AMSSpotter : I definitely acknowledge the threat of another terrorist attack but if terrorists were to use a rocket-launcher like they did on that Israeli aircraf
30 Post contains images Jamie757 : I think here in the UK we need not worry. Any threat to public safety is always exploited by these guys before the terrorists get there...... I've not
31 Speedbird2155 : LOL, don't go giving them any ideas....Tower Bridge made trying to get around a headache.
32 Post contains images FlyAUA : Haha, good to know
33 WillieP : Security Risk! I Can't think of any Security risk at LHR in recent years, apart from when a couple of Sun reporters got on a couple of parked up BA pl
34 EGGD : What the...? Are some of you guys serious? An empty aircraft crossing a road, security risk? A suicide van speeding through the gates and crashing int
35 Post contains images WillieP : well said
36 BlueSky1976 : You need to know, that if the security at the airports where 9/11 terrorists boarded those planes were at the same level as in Europe, the World Trad
37 Glom : I believe you are right. We've had to deal with IRA a lot longer. The only difference between them and the current lot is the current lot blow themse
38 RichardPrice : The UK has lived with mainstream terrorism for 30 years, I think we are safe enough doign things our way.... Oh and on the subject of Debt of Honor, w
39 Donder10 : Terrorists can think for themselves,BlueSky.If anything,you could say he ripped his idea from the planned blowing up of the Eiffel Tower by Algerian n
40 Post contains images Gmidy : UK is fine we just bring in the tanks..
41 Post contains images FlyAUA : Wowee, I never thought I'd be defending the USA, but in your defense (LOL) here I go... Security was only bad for domestic flights. From what I remem
42 Post contains images RichardPrice : Nope, Debt of Honor was published in 1994, the Algiers Eiffel Tower hijacking didnt occur until December 24th 1994. I dont think Clancy wrote DoH in
43 Mandala499 : That HP A320 pic over the bridge is more of a threat than the BA maintenance crossing... just wait until someone throw a grenade at passing aircraft a
44 Spike : I personaly hate the whole fucking lot of the 'security' brigade. Rules by idiots for idiots. And I sat in a 747's engine in the UK last week - unauth
45 AA777 : RJ you are into the typical "American" (read, Bush-ist) irrational fear that everything that isnt guarded by a million officers is not secure. I agree
46 ANITIX87 : Me too, I was coming back from Liberty Science Center and was watching a TAP A340 come in going North and the traffic in front of me had come to a co
47 Gary2880 : as has been stated we have lived with terrorism for years from the IRA (equilly you with your home grown nutters blowing up buildings in oklahoma) we
48 Propulsion : Oh look!!! My favourtie LondonUnderground Train, a 1996-stock GEC Alsthom Jubliee Line Train!!! Nice to see one of those on Airliners.net!!! (Don't y
49 RJpieces : *) ...just in case you didn't read the book: at the very end of it a disgruntled JAL pilot crashes 747-400 loaded with fuel into the Capitol. Wasn't i
50 Geoffm : Nope. It was JAL. Strange how so many millions of Americans suddenly found themselves only doors away from the WTC on 11/9/2001... Geoff M.
51 Spike : My friend on China Daily got out from her office on the 14th floor with only a shoe missing and described the twin towers as 'melting like chocolate'.
52 RJpieces : Strange how so many millions of Americans suddenly found themselves only doors away from the WTC on 11/9/2001... My high school was (is) four blocks a
53 Post contains images Skidmarks : Unfortunately terrorism dodn't start with 9/11, it just woke the great American public up to the fact that so many everyday places and people are pote
54 Geoffm : Ok, I'll consider that, thanks. Don't you think it is rather odd that so many were there? Seems every American you speak to was either there or direc
55 SE210Caravelle : You guys who constantly worry about terrorism are sick. Live your lives!
56 Wukka : Nope. I don't know anyone who was there. I know of one person who had a cousin evacuated from the area. I think it's a six-degrees of separation issu
57 Geoffm : Yeah, you got it in one. I find it kind of sick really, but at any major incident you're always going to find somebody that knew the victim. Reminds
58 Schipholjfk : This has to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Unbeliveable. If I could I would take you back in time and have you stand a block away from the W
59 JrMafia90 : I think they are security risks. I'm just saying if I owned those airlines, aircraft or those airports I wouldn't run it that way. To where people can
60 Geoffm : KL911 has a point. The US has gone from a relaxed country to a paranoid country. It's not necessarily the peoples' fault, more the US government. As
61 Post contains images RichardPrice : I have the same view on the current US position as KL911 - the US has used 9/11 as an excuse to become paranoid and introverted, but I dont mean that
62 Post contains images Spike : You poor sods. plane spotters have certainly been in the thick of it. Did anyone get the AA registration btw?
63 GDB : This crossing has long caused security types to frown, but as stated, it's still here. It's changed a lot over the years, as a Kid, I'd often cycle to
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