FlyHI777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 17 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3551 times:
HAL recently pulled themselves out of Bankruptcy and lookin good! The question that I have for anyone out there is will they ever own their very own a/c again? Previously in HAL's history, they owned a couple of L1011's and quite a bit of DC-9's but since the lease of their new 767's and 717's, they haven't owned an a/c for the past 4 years. Given the whole 9/11/01 incident, both interisland carriers AQ & HAL have been in a financial vice. I hope the best for both carriers.
BTW, if you were wondering...
HAL = Hawaiian Airlines
AQ = Aloha Airlines
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3519 times:
The days of airlines owning a good chunk of their fleet are over, so HA may eventually own some a/c, but probably in the single digits. Heck, FL only owns a small percentage of their entire fleet, the rest is leased (or were sold by FL and leased back). Airlines are such a risky financial investment that eventually, most a/c will be leased from either the manufacturer or from a leasing company. Airlines may own a small portion of their fleet, which would probably end up be used as collateral on loans and to back a/c leases. In the long run, it can also be cheaper to lease an a/c, especially if the market value on them drop. Let's say an operator of 50 73Gs were to go out of business. With 50 a/c all of a sudden becoming available on the open market, the market value on the type drops due to excess supply. So if you own any 737Gs, you would see the value of your investment in a/c fall. On the other hand, if you lease the type, you could potentially renegoiate your leasing terms to better reflect the market value. Some a/c types on the other hand, are in such demand that if even one example comes on the open market, it gets picked up rather quickly, cases in point, the MD-11 and Boeing 717.