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Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids  
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5390 times:

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews...09.html?partner=yahootix&referrer=

ARGH! Why don't you use the money wasted on subsidizing agriculture to fight AIDS in Africa AND save the EU people tons of money on agricultural product purchases AND help the African economies you &#$%*& bastard!!! This man needs a donkey punch.

[Edited 2005-06-20 22:29:41]


E pur si muove -Galileo
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User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5376 times:

Jaques seems to be loosing touch with reality...
After the disaster in Brussels last week ,another stupid idea- it's time he cultivates roses in his castle in Corèze (without EEC subsidies - please !)



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5367 times:

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
After the disaster in Brussels last week ,another stupid idea-

This just makes my blood berrrl. With crackpot ideas like this you'd think we were talking to Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe. UGH!



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineAMSSpotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5306 times:

Mr. Chirac playing the Good Samaritan on the cost of the European tax-payers and at the risk of airlines that are already struggling to survive the fierce competition.
Quite irritating and far from smart!


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11550 posts, RR: 61
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

Another brilliant idea from Mr. Chirac: tax the one industry that is already hanging by a financial thread more than virtually any other! Great idea, Jacques! What will he come up with next?

User currently offlineSchipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Leave the airline business alone! World poverty won't be solved by dumping more money on it. It's time for Pres. Chirac to really give it a rest... the man at his older age is starting to act and talk like a clown.


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User currently offlineAgill From Sweden, joined Feb 2004, 1010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

He should try keeping his mouth shut.

User currently offlineAirFrnt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2826 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

This is just Mr. Chirac trying to tax Americans (who have 1/2 of world wide airlift capacity). Nothing to see here.. Move along.

User currently offlineMagyar From Hungary, joined Feb 2000, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

>>
ARGH! Why don't you use the money wasted on subsidizing agriculture to fight AIDS in Africa AND save the EU people tons of money on agricultural product purchases
<<

It is because if he touches those subsidies the French
farmers will eat him alive. Roughly a quarter of the CAP
money goes to France. AFAIK, it is more than those bloody
Eastern Europian nowcomers get combined.


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5222 times:
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I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't want a single dime of mine going to this idiotic idea. There are enough taxes and facility fees on every ticket, and this is a stupid idea. If i wanted to give money to AIDS victims, then I would call up one of the hundreds of 1-800 numbers that are always on t.v. asking for cash. I don't care about these people, my tax dollars are wasted as it is. Jacques needs to concentrate on running his country, not trying to screw the flying public out of another dollar.


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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

I am in favor of it.

The logic goes

(1) that air travel is a frivolous activity,
(2) it causes enormous environmental harm, largely to Africans as their countries grow hotter.

I pretty much agree, particularly for air freight. What a waste of precious oil. Ostensibly that would be part of the overall air travel tax.


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17439 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5173 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 10):
(1) that air travel is a frivolous activity,

So is taxing people and using those funds to pay farmers who then sell overpriced goods to the taxpayers.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 10):
(2) it causes enormous environmental harm, largely to Africans as their countries grow hotter.

And this has to do with AIDS how...



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

I think Chirac wasted yet another great opportunity to shut up.

User currently offlineVelasco From Portugal, joined Jan 2005, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Not to worry. Just another one of Chirac's absurd phantasies to please the masses.


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User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3060 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5124 times:

I think it's a cheap political ploy on the part of Chirac,
taking advantage those who are suffering with AIDS.
Chirac knows this is a media issue and gets good press.
He knows its dead in the water from the start.

Chirac is one smart cookie.I'll give him that.



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User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9):
I don't care about these people, my tax dollars are wasted as it is.

Thats beautiful, brings a tear to my eye... America and Europe has taken the most from the 3rd world and continues to keep an economic system that keeps them on there knees. You really think its to much to ask if a 2 dollar levy was charged on every airline ticket sold? Just imagine how much money would be raised on a yearly basis if every country issued a 2 dollar levy on an airline ticket. The west has a huge responsibility to come up with more ways of helping fight poverty: colonialism of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries is a large factor in the poverty throughout the world, the cold war was fought largely in Africa in a series of proxy wars which obliterated many of these nations, and many dictatorships have been propped up by the west to the detriment of the common people. If this plan could actually be put in place it would be a great thing, two to five dollars a ticket on every ticket issued throughout the world would bring hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions to the poorest nations in the world, so next time your sitting in a plane at 35 000 feet going on a nice trip or for business, think of the child that dies every 3 seconds in Africa and ask yourself if you could have spared and continue to spare 2-5 dollars each time you fly. I know I would be happy to do it.

AC787


User currently offlineAC787 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 337 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
So is taxing people and using those funds to pay farmers who then sell overpriced goods to the taxpayers.

Ok... so you disagree with how a government spends its money on a certain issue, this validates not trying to come up with new ways to help people who are dying every day from starvation and disease how?


User currently offlineScotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting AC787 (Reply 16):

Ok... so you disagree with how a government spends its money on a certain issue, this validates not trying to come up with new ways to help people who are dying every day from starvation and disease how?

While I agree it is a good thing to try and end poverty and disease in Africa, I don't think taxing the flying public is the way to do it. Why air travelers in the first place?

Chirac is a beaten man. His days are numbered and he probably knows it. There is absolutely no reason that 40% of the EU budget goes in agricultural subsidies, with the majority going to farmers in France. We have all heard of the vast mountains of agricultural products over produced that are then dumped on world markets at depressed prices. How does that help developing nations, especially nations in Africa? The US is no different with their agricultural subsidies.

And you know how it will end up. Another government department created, large salaries, fees to middlemen, corrupt governments. It goes on and on. BTW, of all the billions raised for the tsunami disaster, where has that money gone?


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9305 posts, RR: 29
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 5025 times:

Bringing it to the point, plain and simply, M Chirac is a pain in the a..


E's passed on! That parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker!
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 14):
I think it's a cheap political ploy on the part of Chirac

Well said.

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 14):
taking advantage those who are suffering with AIDS

That's the sad part it true

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 14):
Chirac is one smart cookie.I'll give him that.

He certainly is

Quoting AC787 (Reply 15):
Thats beautiful, brings a tear to my eye... America and Europe has taken the most from the 3rd world and continues to keep an economic system that keeps them on there knees. You really think its to much to ask if a 2 dollar levy was charged on every airline ticket sold?

Well said AC787.

Let's face it, while I (I'm sorry for admitting it) actually don't 'really' mind Chirac, yet I am having more and more doubts about him, maybe, just maybe, he's genuinely looking for a way to help Aids victims, even if he gets good press from it, it's nice to see a politician looking to help people really in need. And let's face it, the majority of people flying can afford to spend an extra $2 for this excellent cause. I think I'd prefer to see 'most' governments in charge of this than some private charity organisation, as unfortunately, many of these private organisations don't always allocate our donations as we expected.

Isn't it about time governments make bigger efforts? We're destroying our environment (won't mention Mr. Bush's disgraceful stance on this), people are dying from starvation, and thousands of people are being diagnosed with aids every day. So what do YOU all think we should do about it? Just sit back, continue playing on our computers and posting on a.net, while dreaming of and planning our next airplane trip/holiday, thinking "oh, all those poor people around the world, one of these days I must donate something"... and how long it usually takes for "one of those days" to actually materialise.

Now, as a resident of France, I would possible have prefered if Chirac has duggested donating a few euros from all the taxes we pay to aids and other needs, yet I'm not sure if the French economy is in such a good state to handle that.

Ok... Ready, steady, Go..... FLAME ME!!!!!!!!



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4998 times:

We should pool all the money dedicated to different viruses and just cure ONE virus. Just one. So far, we can treat them, and we can try to vaccinate to prevent them, but we can't cure any viruses. If our bodies can't take care of them, they kill us.

But if we pooled all funds into curing one, rather than redundantly spreading it among many, we might find the method that then could be applied to other viruses as well.

I mean, how long have we been trying to cure the common cold virus. Let's get on that with all gusto, and once we handle that, other viruses should be easier.



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5694 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4980 times:

One question: why civil aviation?

Why not expendable things such as mobile phones, ringtones, SUVs or any car with engine displacement above 2500ccm, action or porn DVDs/movie tickets, fast food meals, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.???


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4956 times:
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Mr Chirac is in a VERY critical position on the French domestic political scene.

He gave this idea two months ago...

I propose to apply this levy on the much subsidised railways networks...!?

Poor Jacques... You disapoint me. Time to retire has come.

FB.

[Edited 2005-06-21 10:44:25]


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User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9305 posts, RR: 29
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4952 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
One question: why civil aviation?

Why not expendable things such as mobile phones, ringtones, SUVs or any car with engine displacement above 2500ccm, action or porn DVDs/movie tickets, fast food meals, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.???

Mobility is scary to a certain part of Politicians because mobility gives people a wider horizon, so mobility must be taxed to prevent, or at least limit that. This has happened with the automobile over many years, adding add-ons to the fuel tax to pay for the environment and pensions and whatever and since low cost air fares exist, they must prevent people from using these too often.

The first reaction ofn the Greens in Germany to low cost was forbidding such low fares. They quickly found that they can't do that, so the logical answer is taxing,

Our logical answer should be to dump any politician who has no better idea than taxing people and quoting insane reasons for those taxes. Chirac still did not understand the message his voters gave him on the referendum.

As I mentioned before, he is a pain in the a... and he wil get kicked into the same.



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7122 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 17):
His days are numbered and he probably knows it

But he's determined to bring europe to its knees through starting unnecessary bickering to deflect his bad showing in the recent referendum.

He is a dangerous man.



The world is really getting smaller these days
25 Beaucaire : French politicians have managed to impose the highest taxes (local,state and provincial )on the population and de-motivated about everyone in this cou
26 Toulouse : Ok Beaucaire... well put, and after thinking about this since my post, I think you're right.
27 Joni : Are you serious? That sounds like something Hitler used to say. It sounds like you're disillusioned with democracy. However, in France they actually
28 Beaucaire : You have to very blue-eyed to believe that politicians don't have access to collected funds via taxes.... In most countries political parties are off
29 Post contains links Paul777 : Just a couple of article links that discuss various taxes, airlines/passengers are subjected too. $1.00 per ticket in the grand scheme of things is no
30 MaverickM11 : I agree. And I also propose that someone hit him with a whiffle bat.
31 Joni : Those party funds represent perhaps 0.01% of collected taxes and are necessary to ensure that even marginal parties get at least some access to the m
32 Slider : Excuse me? Excuse me? Please expound, by all means. Last time I looked, many of the Western nations have doled out relief, absolved their debt, sent
33 Andz : But just let someone say they don't care about what happened on 9-11....hypocrite.
34 Magyar : >> Sadly, yes. And Chirac is playing the fiddle while Rome burns, so to speak. More rantings of a desperate lunatic whose own people are getting passe
35 Aerofan : Why doesn't he just tell people to stop sleeping around or to wear a condom or to just stop having sex. Is the ailing airline industry such a golden g
36 Psa53 : To Aerofan- Sorry! You can tax the hell out of me. But I'm not stopping sex! Who wants to volunteer first?(LOL) going once.....going twice....[Edited
37 DLPMMM : I am just suprised that Chirac has not proposed a several euro tax on the act of copulation. He wants to tax everything else that moves.
38 AC787 : You are right, western nations have given much relief and spent lots of money, but when you compare it to the GDP of these richest nations of the wor
39 Magyar : >> > Excuse me? Excuse me? Please expound, by all means. Last time I looked, many of the Western nations have doled out relief, absolved their debt, s
40 AC787 : Very good point, the economic system in place rlly does tie the hands of many poor nations. They recently announced the anulling of debt to some of t
41 AirTran737 : 9/11 and a tax to flight AIDS are nothing alike. After 9/11 President Bush didn't say "World, all of you who fly should have to pay an extra tax so t
42 AC787 : And Americans wonder why the world hates them sometimes...
43 Slider : You don't know me, nor what I do. I'm a regular charitable contributor, member of a few civic organizations, I donate time and money in volunteer eff
44 Aerofan : I'm not dismissing the idea because I hate chirac. i'm dismissing it because i think that it's a stupid idea! I think that the tax should come from pe
45 Andz : I don't agree with the tax, it was the "I don't care" attitude I was objecting to. Pretty slick assessment there.
46 NYC777 : Better idea Jacques...why don't you tax 10% of the value of every A380 that's sold. You might get enough to buy your lunch.
47 Aither : i think we should tax Airbus vs Boeing threads.
48 Post contains images A350 : Yes, and Mr. Schröder should lelp him. There are rumors he's looking for a new job starting in September A350
49 Aviasian : Perhaps President Chirac should contribute one Euro each time he, his fellow politicians and his fellow citizens pops a bottle of French wine, purchas
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