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AA 762 In DFW Last Night  
User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months ago) and read 3680 times:

6/19 in the evening, saw it twice -- taxiing in around 7, and then again upon my departure at 915, still holding. Anyone know why?

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User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months ago) and read 3666 times:

This may sound like a dumb question, but is a 762 at a mega AA hub rare?


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User currently offlineEastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months ago) and read 3641 times:

AA's 762s are scheduled for JFK-SFO/LAX only. I believe they sub for other routes from time to time.

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months ago) and read 3609 times:

Quoting Eastbay (Reply 2):
AA's 762s are scheduled for JFK-SFO/LAX only.

True. The vast majority of 762 flying is on JFK-LAX/SFO, however, AA does have a single daily 762 flight JFK-BDA and JFK-MIA that uses the west coast redeye 762s for utilization purposes. Otherwise, the planes would land in JFK in the early morning and not leave again until the afternoon or evening.

Quoting Eastbay (Reply 2):
I believe they sub for other routes from time to time.

Very occasionally, but they do sometimes sub on other routes.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months ago) and read 3577 times:

763s are quite common at DFW, but not 762s.


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5190 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

DFW doesn't see the A300s either.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2642 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3482 times:

Yep AA 762s do show up on sub routes from time to time. Nice shot of a spot last year in CDG:

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However, don't know why this same bird was in DSM:


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My guess is football bowl game charter.



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User currently offlineJcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

For a few summers, AA used the 762 on the DFW-DEN route. Show me an AA A300 at DFW and I'll call that rare!


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

Now, my question: Does AA ferry their 762s to DFW maintenance hangar?


this is not a 767, but look how beautiful is this AA hangar facility... I am sure 762s are there once in a while?
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User currently offlineJCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 38
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3404 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 8):
this is not a 767, but look how beautiful is this AA hangar facility... I am sure 762s are there once in a while?

Nope. I think heavy maintenance for AA's 762s takes place at JFK (I might be wrong on that, it might be at MIA).



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 8):
Now, my question: Does AA ferry their 762s to DFW maintenance hangar?

DFW is a line-only maintenance station, and as such only handles planes that come through DFW through the schedule. DFW maintenance does light work on MD80s, 737s, 757s, 767-300s, and 777s.

Quoting September11 (Reply 8):
I think heavy maintenance for AA's 762s takes place at JFK (I might be wrong on that, it might be at MIA).

It's neither. 762 overhalls are done in MCI, but they are done so rarely these days. There are only 14 still flying so MCI probably only does a few overhauls each year. JFK and MIA are both line-only stations -- neither performs any heavy maintenance on any aircraft type.


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
MIA are both line-only stations -- neither performs any heavy maintenance on any aircraft type.

with the amount of a300's they always have outside the hangar there you would think that they did heavy mx lol


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 11):
with the amount of a300's they always have outside the hangar there you would think that they did heavy mx lol

Too true, too true -- the A300s are just horribly innefficient maintenance hogs. They are always breaking down and always delayed for maintenance. The only reason AA tolerates the low dispatch reliability of the planes is that right now they can't afford a suitable replacement.


User currently offlineFleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
JFK and MIA are both line-only stations -- neither performs any heavy maintenance on any aircraft type.

Better tell that to the guys that do the nightly B checks on the 'Bus at hangar 10 at JFK then...

We won't mention engine changes or anything like that either...

Nor will we mention the sign inside hangar 10 that reads "Welcome to JFK,home of the A300".



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3214 times:

Quoting Fleet Service (Reply 13):
Better tell that to the guys that do the nightly B checks on the 'Bus at hangar 10 at JFK then

Is a B check "heavy" maintenance? On widebodies, I thought only an MBV was truly considered "heavy." Perhaps I should rephrase then if I was using a different definition of "heavy:" JFK and MIA are both non-overhaul stations.


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3194 times:

AA 762' were also operating on LAX-LAS yesterday...

User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3112 times:

Looks like it was a 767-200 from LAX. It was then routed to AFW for maintenance.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):

DFW is a line-only maintenance station, and as such only handles planes that come through DFW through the schedule.

Not all the time. There can be schedule changes to make sure a plane is checked in DFW for a maintenance issue.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3095 times:

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 16):
Not all the time. There can be schedule changes to make sure a plane is checked in DFW for a maintenance issue.

That is what I meant -- DFW only handles planes that are routed through DFW, for either scheduled flying or scheduled maintenance. What I was illustrating was that DFW doesn't handle planes that don't come through DFW at all, as TUL and AFW do, and only does non-overhaul work on those planes; i.e., there are no scheduled A300 flights to TUL, but TUL still does A300 overhauls.


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6435 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

In the past, I've seen them at IAD. Don't they do IAD-LAX runs as well? What is the 762 count anyway, and when are the scheduled for retirement?


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3006 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 12):
The only reason AA tolerates the low dispatch reliability of the planes is that right now they can't afford a suitable replacement.

That, and a suitable replacement doesn't exist at this time.

Reports of the A300's maintenance requirements abound, and they all conflict. Arguably, these planes fly extremely high cycles at extremely heavy weights in evil climates, and therefore a bit more Mx is due.

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11604 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
That, and a suitable replacement doesn't exist at this time.

I think the 787-3 would be a perfect replacement, and I think it may ultimately be the A300 replacement for AA, but of course AA doesn't want to lay out the cash for new planes right now as it is trying to rebuild financially.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
Reports of the A300's maintenance requirements abound, and they all conflict.

Ask anyone in AA maintenance, especially in JFK and MIA, and I think they will all tell you the same thing -- the A300s are generally not very reliable and are extremely maintenance intensive.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19):
Arguably, these planes fly extremely high cycles at extremely heavy weights in evil climates, and therefore a bit more Mx is due.

It's more than just that they are high-weight, high-cycle planes. They are just unreliable planes.


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