AkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2445 times:
This may sound like a dumb question, but is a 762 at a mega AA hub rare?
Eastbay From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 211 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
AA's 762s are scheduled for JFK-SFO/LAX only. I believe they sub for other routes from time to time.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2388 times:
Quoting Eastbay (Reply 2): AA's 762s are scheduled for JFK-SFO/LAX only.
True. The vast majority of 762 flying is on JFK-LAX/SFO, however, AA does have a single daily 762 flight JFK-BDA and JFK-MIA that uses the west coast redeye 762s for utilization purposes. Otherwise, the planes would land in JFK in the early morning and not leave again until the afternoon or evening.
Quoting Eastbay (Reply 2): I believe they sub for other routes from time to time.
Very occasionally, but they do sometimes sub on other routes.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 23 Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2356 times:
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4906 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2261 times:
Yep AA 762s do show up on sub routes from time to time. Nice shot of a spot last year in CDG:
Jcs17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2217 times:
For a few summers, AA used the 762 on the DFW-DEN route. Show me an AA A300 at DFW and I'll call that rare!
September11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 23 Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2202 times:
Now, my question: Does AA ferry their 762s to DFW maintenance hangar?
this is not a 767, but look how beautiful is this AA hangar facility... I am sure 762s are there once in a while?
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2183 times:
Quoting September11 (Reply 8): this is not a 767, but look how beautiful is this AA hangar facility... I am sure 762s are there once in a while?
Nope. I think heavy maintenance for AA's 762s takes place at JFK (I might be wrong on that, it might be at MIA).
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
Quoting September11 (Reply 8): Now, my question: Does AA ferry their 762s to DFW maintenance hangar?
DFW is a line-only maintenance station, and as such only handles planes that come through DFW through the schedule. DFW maintenance does light work on MD80s, 737s, 757s, 767-300s, and 777s.
Quoting September11 (Reply 8): I think heavy maintenance for AA's 762s takes place at JFK (I might be wrong on that, it might be at MIA).
It's neither. 762 overhalls are done in MCI, but they are done so rarely these days. There are only 14 still flying so MCI probably only does a few overhauls each year. JFK and MIA are both line-only stations -- neither performs any heavy maintenance on any aircraft type.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 11): with the amount of a300's they always have outside the hangar there you would think that they did heavy mx lol
Too true, too true -- the A300s are just horribly innefficient maintenance hogs. They are always breaking down and always delayed for maintenance. The only reason AA tolerates the low dispatch reliability of the planes is that right now they can't afford a suitable replacement.
Fleet Service From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 622 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2037 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 10): JFK and MIA are both line-only stations -- neither performs any heavy maintenance on any aircraft type.
Better tell that to the guys that do the nightly B checks on the 'Bus at hangar 10 at JFK then...
We won't mention engine changes or anything like that either...
Nor will we mention the sign inside hangar 10 that reads "Welcome to JFK,home of the A300".
Yes, I actually *do* work for an airline,how about you?
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1993 times:
Quoting Fleet Service (Reply 13): Better tell that to the guys that do the nightly B checks on the 'Bus at hangar 10 at JFK then
Is a B check "heavy" maintenance? On widebodies, I thought only an MBV was truly considered "heavy." Perhaps I should rephrase then if I was using a different definition of "heavy:" JFK and MIA are both non-overhaul stations.
Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1973 times:
AA 762' were also operating on LAX-LAS yesterday...
LY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 851 posts, RR: 16 Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1891 times:
Looks like it was a 767-200 from LAX. It was then routed to AFW for maintenance.
Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
DFW is a line-only maintenance station, and as such only handles planes that come through DFW through the schedule.
Not all the time. There can be schedule changes to make sure a plane is checked in DFW for a maintenance issue.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1874 times:
Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 16): Not all the time. There can be schedule changes to make sure a plane is checked in DFW for a maintenance issue.
That is what I meant -- DFW only handles planes that are routed through DFW, for either scheduled flying or scheduled maintenance. What I was illustrating was that DFW doesn't handle planes that don't come through DFW at all, as TUL and AFW do, and only does non-overhaul work on those planes; i.e., there are no scheduled A300 flights to TUL, but TUL still does A300 overhauls.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5722 posts, RR: 20 Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1797 times:
In the past, I've seen them at IAD. Don't they do IAD-LAX runs as well? What is the 762 count anyway, and when are the scheduled for retirement?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1785 times:
Quoting Commavia (Reply 12): The only reason AA tolerates the low dispatch reliability of the planes is that right now they can't afford a suitable replacement.
That, and a suitable replacement doesn't exist at this time.
Reports of the A300's maintenance requirements abound, and they all conflict. Arguably, these planes fly extremely high cycles at extremely heavy weights in evil climates, and therefore a bit more Mx is due.
Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10193 posts, RR: 62 Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1749 times:
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19): That, and a suitable replacement doesn't exist at this time.
I think the 787-3 would be a perfect replacement, and I think it may ultimately be the A300 replacement for AA, but of course AA doesn't want to lay out the cash for new planes right now as it is trying to rebuild financially.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19): Reports of the A300's maintenance requirements abound, and they all conflict.
Ask anyone in AA maintenance, especially in JFK and MIA, and I think they will all tell you the same thing -- the A300s are generally not very reliable and are extremely maintenance intensive.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 19): Arguably, these planes fly extremely high cycles at extremely heavy weights in evil climates, and therefore a bit more Mx is due.
It's more than just that they are high-weight, high-cycle planes. They are just unreliable planes.
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