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User currently offlineCinek777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 22 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6180 times:

What do you think the normal pay is for a contract ramp or refueling agent at O'hare.
I dont know if this is normal at other airports,A ramp agent starts off at $8.75 an hour and a refuler starts off at $9.00 an hour.

I work for a contractor company at O.hare that pays people minimum wages for fueling a aircraft.I think that is a hazardous job (quote me if I'm wrong)

Everybody always tells me you work at the airport you get paid a lot. Ha

My question is to everybody is it just Chicago?


If it's not Boeing dont fly.
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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6157 times:

Quoting Cinek777 (Thread starter):
I work for a contractor company at O.hare that pays people minimum wages for fueling a aircraft.I think that is a hazardous job (quote me if I'm wrong)

It def is a job requiring extra caution.

Quoting Cinek777 (Thread starter):
Everybody always tells me you work at the airport you get paid a lot. Ha

Out here its Supply-Demand.
If there is Demand,Salaries Shoot.If not it drops.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 968 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6073 times:

Here in DAB, ramp agents (which are contract for DL) start at $7.00. Fuelers which are employed by the local FBO start at $8.00 if I am not mistaken. People also tell me that I must make a lot and get to fly for free, but they couldn't be any further from the truth. Its also difficult explaining that I sort-of work for DL but not really.


"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
User currently offlineWorkbench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6025 times:

The wages for ground employees are in line with their skill level. It requires minimal skill and eduacation to load bags, thus paid accordingly. Customer reps are basically servants and should be paid accordingly.

User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Yet our society keeps duping people into believing that they need a 4 year degree just to get a job, but after spending that $40k most employers who are now mandating a degree for jobs that used to never require one, employers still pay the same paltry wages.

Even at twice the mininum wage one can't live off of that, and certainly can't support more than one on that.

Maybe it's just my new degree in sociology, but the world's full of poop and AC/DC was right - we're on the highway to hell!


User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

Quoting Workbench (Reply 3):
The wages for ground employees are in line with their skill level. It requires minimal skill and eduacation to load bags, thus paid accordingly. Customer reps are basically servants and should be paid accordingly.

WTF are you alking about? Basically servents, etc. I see that you are a student, and you must be the only one that does not have a summer/term time job. That aside, I would actually regard filling a plane with fuel as a skilled job, and the crap that those SWA# reps have to put up with, well, the deserve a lot cash, and a lot more respect to you. Grow up.

# Only because I have just watched Airline USA.


User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

I've just left the airline industry. After five years, I never enjoyed calendar holidays off, weekends off, or pay commensurate with similar positions (in skill and education) outside of the industry. While being able to travel worldwide was surely a pleasure, economically; it was a disaster.

User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5930 times:

Ah yes. Workbench again demonstrates his complete lack of understanding at the way the aviation world works and his complete lack of respect for anybody working in the aviation industry. Oh, and his complete disregard of facts. Have YOU ever been a gate agent? Have YOU ever fueled a 250 ton airplane? Have YOU ever pushed back an airplane? Have YOU ever dealt with 250 passengers who all want to do unmentionable things to you because a flight was delayed 45 minutes because the airplane hit a bird when it was coming in for landing and they need to replace the windshield? Have YOU ever loaded bags into an airplane? That's what I thought. You haven't. regardless of the skill level involved in any of these fields, they are still jobs with high levels of responsibility. If you flip a burger at mcdonalds the wrong way, big deal, you give the customer a new burger, assuming they even notice the problem. You fuel an airplane the wrong way? Potentially, you face millions of dollars worth of damage, and could be putting hundreds of lives at risk. All jobs in aviation are jobs filled with responsibility, and should you fail in your duty, the public eye will be upon you.

Anyway, with regards to the actual subject of this topic, I totally agree (haha, as if you hadn't guessed from my message above!). Considering the dangers, responsibilities, and level of customer interaction (sometimes) there is, the fact that so many workers are underpaid is really a shame. At least CSRs (customer service reps) get flying benefits (sometimes), along with all the other airline employees. Most ramp agents don't, unless through the occasional "Available to all airport employees! $500 first class flight to x destination! Book by x date". On top of being payed peanuts (in some of the above cases, $0.50 more than working at KFC (Kentucky Fried Chicken)), it's people who view everybody who's a worker as beneath them, their "servants", that make a CSRs (and flight attendants) life miserable.

[Edited 2005-06-21 17:44:47]

User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11389 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Bottom line: airline employees are underpaid! This is just reality and it always has been. Airline people have always -- on average -- gotten paid less, IMO, than people doing comporable jobs in other industries. The reason? First of all, travel benefits alone are worth thousands to people who really use them. Being able to fly wherever, whenever, for free (in most cases) is a benefit that many people are willing to prostitute themselves for. Also, say what you will about the airline business -- but when it get's in your blood, it is addicting. People get so hooked on the "allure" of it, the travel benefits, the freedom it gives you, and then they can't give it up.

User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 8):
Bottom line: airline employees are underpaid! This is just reality and it always has been. Airline people have always -- on average -- gotten paid less, IMO, than people doing comporable jobs in other industries. The reason? First of all, travel benefits alone are worth thousands to people who really use them. Being able to fly wherever, whenever, for free (in most cases) is a benefit that many people are willing to prostitute themselves for. Also, say what you will about the airline business -- but when it get's in your blood, it is addicting. People get so hooked on the "allure" of it, the travel benefits, the freedom it gives you, and then they can't give it up.

True. But having miniscule pay, a pay cut, benefits that lag the rest of the industry, and schedules that deny the chance to enjoy statutory holidays, it was worth it to leave.


User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5878 times:

Though I don't agree with Workbench, at least he knows enough to use capital letters appropriately making his posts easy to read. As for Bohlman's post....

User currently offlineWorkbench From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 7):
ah yes. workbench again demonstrates his complete lack of understanding at the way the aviation world works and his complete lack of respect for anybody working in the aviation industry. oh, and his complete disregard of facts. have YOU ever been a gate agent? have YOU ever fueled a 250 ton airplane? have YOU ever pushed back an airplane? have YOU ever dealt with 250 passengers who all want to slit your throat because a flight was delayed 45 minutes because the airplane hit a bird when it was coming in for landing and they need to replace the windshield? have YOU ever loaded bags into an airplane? that's what i thought. you haven't. regardless of the skill level involved in any of these fields, they are still jobs with high levels of responsibility. if you flip a burger at mcdonalds the wrong way, big deal, you give the customer a new burger, assuming they even notice the problem. you fuel an airplane the wrong way? potentially, you face millions of dollars worth of damage, and could be putting hundreds of lives at risk. all jobs in aviation are jobs filled with responsibility, and should you fail in your duty, the public eye will be upon you. grow up and learn to only open your mouth when you know what you're talking about workbench.

A gate agent come on, soon they will be replaced totally by self service devices, there is really no need for them. Whine about abuseive passengers when flights are delayed or cancelled. DONT DELAY OR CANCELL FLIGHTS!. Loading bags, come on I could go down to Home Deopot, pick up a day labouror and pay him $50 for 10 hours work. Any one can throw bags, its no big deal. Fueling an aiplane, hook up the hose and when the meter says full, you unhook, I highly doubt there is a great amount of skill involved.
As far as I am concerned they get travel benefits, pay is in line with the amount of brains it takes to do the job which is not much.


User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5861 times:

I'll correct that in the future Bicoastal. I'm just used to writing emails, where it's the standard (and accepted) method of typing.

I'd just like to add, before people start blaming pilots, that not every pilot earns the golden $300k a year salary. When I graduate, I'll be facing (at best) a $19 an hour salary for a maximum of 100 hours a month, and $1.50 an hour for times that I'm not actually flying (sitting at the gate waiting to be pushed back, etc). Pilot salaries are like basebal salaries: skewed on both sides.


User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5853 times:

Workbench, you are an arrogant twat. Good luck with the future.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5847 times:

Quoting Cinek777 (Thread starter):
What do you think the normal pay is for a contract ramp or refueling agent at O'hare.
I dont know if this is normal at other airports,A ramp agent starts off at $8.75 an hour and a refuler starts off at $9.00 an hour.

That's sounds about standard for large airports. At ATL, FL hires ramp and gate at $8.75/hr (If you work the evening shift you get an extra .35 an hour). DL has been hiring ramp and gate @ $9.12/hr. If EV's pay scale is anywhere around what it was five years ago, they start our ramp and gate at around $8.25/hr. Nearly every airline at ATL contracts there fueling out, and there are two companies that do it, ASIG (who bought out AGI last year), and Skytanking (They've been at ATL for a few weeks, as they were awarded the AirTran contract, effective June 1st.). And typically, fuelers make between $8-$9 an hour here (I remember AGI used to pay their fuelers $8 an hour, and many of them left to go work for ASIG or an airline for more money, and from the ad Skytanking ran locally, they're paying $9 an hour.)

Quoting Cinek777 (Thread starter):
I work for a contractor company at O.hare that pays people minimum wages for fueling a aircraft.I think that is a hazardous job (quote me if I'm wrong)

Contactors typically pay their employees lower wages than what the airlines do. Delta Global pays their rampers $7.25 (or was it $7.50, I can't recall) an hour, and they wonder why they have such high turnover (Two supervisors where I used to work at work for them part time for some extra money and for the flight benefits). That kind of money is fine if you're young, still living at home and have no bills to speak of. When I was making $8.85 an hour working at AirTran (When I worked there, starting pay was $8.50 and I worked evening shift and got the .35 shift differential), I was barely getting by after my bills (Rent, car note, insurance). At ASA, I was able to work enough overtime to actually have some extra cash.

Quoting Cinek777 (Thread starter):
My question is to everybody is it just Chicago?

Not at all. Some airlines actually pay some of their outstations more than their hubs because of the cost of living in those cities is so high. Examples like New York City and Boston.


User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Airline are underpaid unless you are a Senior VP or a 25 year captain!

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

Quoting Workbench (Reply 3):
The wages for ground employees are in line with their skill level. It requires minimal skill and eduacation to load bags, thus paid accordingly. Customer reps are basically servants and should be paid accordingly.

Pardon? In my mind being paid accordingly ought to include combat pay for CSA's for all the crap they have to put up with.

As for minimal skill of rampers, you might want to ask Alaska Airlines in Seattle how much education and skill is required to load bags. Their operations have been a mess for the past month because they brought in cold 400 people at $8 an hour to load bags. As for what happens when their operations do eventually stabilize, you can expect to see thefts from checked baggage start to increase. Not to mention it is demanding, physical work that leads to injuries and chronic problems.

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 4):
Yet our society keeps duping people into believing that they need a 4 year degree just to get a job, but after spending that $40k most employers who are now mandating a degree for jobs that used to never require one, employers still pay the same paltry wages.

This is not strictly true. The minimum requirement for a lot of jobs is a high school diploma. Some vocational training is also usually requred, and there are indeed jobs out there that pay more than Wal-Mart wages. In fairness, though, companies view their unskilled employees often times as a soft option when time comes to cut costs, so they cut as far back as they think the market will bear. The unions, who were meant to protect people from this type of exploitation, have become too self serving and complacent to have any effect, and the end result is everyone shakes their heads and wonders why customer service has gone down the tubes. It's not very PC but it's true: Pay peanuts and you get monkeys.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 4):
and AC/DC was right - we're on the highway to hell!

More literally true than you may imagine. Back to the subject at hand, could it be that low payscales and undeserved contempt (is it actually envy?) that airline employees endure from not only customers with freeloader mindsets but also rapacious-minded, self-serving management are the leading reasons that airline service continues move along the highway toward hell at a rapaid pace? Where service is becoming "everyday from hell" rather than a "summer from hell."

Quoting Workbench (Reply 3):
The wages for ground employees are in line with their skill level. It requires minimal skill and eduacation to load bags, thus paid accordingly. Customer reps are basically servants and should be paid accordingly.

One more reason airline service has taken a dive. Skilled workers are being progressively replaced by truly unskilled workers making defacto minimum wage who you wishfully imagine to be equally capable of maintaining acceptable service levels.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21457 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 4):
Yet our society keeps duping people into believing that they need a 4 year degree just to get a job, but after spending that $40k most employers who are now mandating a degree for jobs that used to never require one, employers still pay the same paltry wages.

I agree on this point totally. I think the college is the biggest scam going right now in the US. Most people go and learn little to nothing there, spend most of their time avoiding class, drinking, screwing, and running up debt, then get out with nothing to show for it, since now everyone and their brother has a worthless degree. It's an expensive replacement for the old high school degree, which used to mean something before automatic advancement and pity diplomas.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

Workbench, it is jackasses like you that make our jobs very unpleasant at times. One of these days an airline employee will make you wish you never set foot on a airplane again.

User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting Workbench (Reply 18):
So this agent could not follow a simple instruction from a customer, and she thinks she is worth $25.00/hr. NO WAY.

So, are you making a broad conclusion based on one experience? Or at the end of the day was your attitude to blame for the problem? Think about it.

Charles, SJ



The customer isn't a moron, she is your wife -David Ogilvy
User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5782 times:

Quoting Workbench (Reply 18):

Wow, I couldn't help but laughing! Maybe you should stop demanding things on daddy's miles, and ask politely. Why should you get the extra room? After all, you're flying for free on perks that the airline has provided for you. Why shouldn't somebody else get the extra room? And as for daddy calling up and complaining for you, well, I think most people will have the same chuckle-filled reaction that I did...


User currently offlineWunala From Australia, joined Mar 2005, 949 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

Quoting Workbench (Reply 18):
I demanded that she block the seat next to me (I was in 8F, so 8E should have been blocked.) I asked this so I could have more room. Since I was traveling on an Executive Platinums miles, it should be no problem. Now if they had sold EVERY SEAT on the plane I could understand someone sitting there. But imagine how pissed I was when not only did they put someone next to me, but an employee flying for FREE. An off duty employee flying for free infringed on my comfort. That is BS. As far as I am concerned employees flying for free should be regulated to the cargo hold, and not infringing on comfort of paying passengers.
So this agent could not follow a simple instruction from a customer, and she thinks she is worth $25.00/hr. NO WAY. When I arrived in ORD, my dad called the Executive desk and got me a free upgrade for the rest of the trip.

So you demanded the seat to be kept free and then you suggest it was a simple request. You really are a fuk wit. I hope I never meet you on a flight, no update, meet you ever, you make wanting to bitch slap someone a reality. Remember, your dad may be a Exec member, you are not. You have as much right to the see as the emplyee beside you. I hope you end up working for in an industry paying feck all, because you were so up your own arse, you forgot to look at the blackboard in school.

[Edited 2005-06-21 18:13:48]

User currently offlineHavaloc From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

No one forces people to take these jobs if they don't want them. If you think the pay is too low, don't work there. Simple.


DC-9
User currently offlineRaginMav From United States of America, joined May 2004, 376 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5747 times:

Quoting Havaloc (Reply 24):
No one forces people to take these jobs if they don't want them. If you think the pay is too low, don't work there. Simple

No, but if you want to move ahead in the industry, you have to start somewhere

Oh yeah, Workbench, that was so nice of your daddy to hold your hand, and make sure your comfort wasn't compromised. Anyone with half a nut could have taken care of that themselves...


25 Bohlman : Not everybody has the option to choose an ideal job. If an airline job opens up, and somebody's looking for work, they may HAVE to take the job.
26 Tango-Bravo : Workbench... no wonder your beloved legacy airline is in deep trouble. What you cannot begin to imagine -- no matter how intelligent you may be in you
27 Workbench : Well since next year I will start law school, and since I will eventually I will take over my dads law office, I am pretty sure you will always wind
28 Post contains images AeroVodochody : Jeez... that has to be the stupid statement of the week congrats But Ok, since you're clearly the expert here, how exactly do you propose they do tha
29 AeroVodochody : Oh yeah, since your a paying customer....... and BTW the only seat you had the right to, was the one on your ticket not the one next to it, if you wa
30 Wunala : Before I sign off for the night, dickhead, I do not work for an airline, and I DO NOT work for you. I would be very proud to work for my national car
31 Workbench : Ever heard of the spare airplane that is ready to go. As far as wheather, I was not talking about that. I was talking about all the BS that the airli
32 Post contains images Wukka : This post has to be a joke mocking some of the other "my daddy" posts that have occasionally popped up here. ...at least, I hope so? If nothing else,
33 Greyhound : Actually the employee has more of a right. At least the employee worked for their seat. Didn't notice them running off to daddy for his miles. And at
34 Wunala : I didn't mean it to sound like it as contest. In law, something Workbench may read about, they both have the same type of right, albeit, in a differe
35 Greyhound : I didn't think you meant it as a contest. It was just my opinion after all. No argument there.
36 Tango-Bravo : Very well said! In many respects, many college degrees of today are not as valid an indicator of a person's qualifications as a high school degree wa
37 AeroVodochody : Yes I have, but it still takes time to get one, and I'm pretty sure most if not all airlines, would go bankrupt if they had to keep two aircraft read
38 Ctbarnes : At the end of the day education does not equate to intelligence. That is not necessarily what a university education is all about. It is about giving
39 Bohlman : Yes, have you ever heard of the spare $100million airplane lying around, so that a 15 minute delay can be avoided every once in a while? I guess they
40 Tango-Bravo : And may I remind you (probably not necessary, since you know everything) that 80% of family businesses fail within 5 years after being handed to the
41 Aa757first : See, what I always think is if you weren't, say, a flight attendant, what would you be? A cashier at Macy's? A customer service agent at Hertz? A fron
42 Qantas777 : workbench is a funny taint. Some stuff is true said by the young lad. I mean really, skill level required from csr and ramp is very little, thus, one
43 Ctbarnes : I disagree. University education is not primarily about teaching a skill, though that may be one reason you go there. On the other hand, it may give
44 Post contains links and images BWI757 : Why should they serve you? Hell no! With your brains and your daddy you really should go to http://www.airbus.com and place a 380 VIP order NOW! You'
45 Bohlman : Haha, I'd forgotten that scene completely! I remember watching that for the first time (also in the lobby, where he beats up the environmentalists),
46 Ntspelich : Would I like to make more money? Sure, but am I doing (I feel) quite good for myself making more upwards of $60,000 this year doing a job that I love.
47 Srbmod : Just what this world needs, another arrogant lawyer. You wonder why people tell lawyer jokes? It's because of smug jerks like you. I swear that half
48 Post contains images AirRyan : Sounds like an advertisement for the LCC's! Have you ever seen an episode of AIRLINE on A&E? I can't believe Southwest still allows that show to be a
49 Ntspelich : OK, so I guess that making sure that the a/c is loaded correctly so that it can, say, rotate isn't important. The vast majority of us all take our jo
50 Ctbarnes : What you see on Airline is only a small percentage of the types of passengers WN carries. The producers are going to look for the most difficult, the
51 Drinkstrolley : Talking of EDUCATION fool, you had better sort yours out before taking over Daddy's law firm and ultimately the world.
52 XFSUgimpLB41X : Regional FO's.... typically college educated.. have 40,000 dollars of licenses on top of that. Make 17-20,000 a year. ... and you thought all pilots m
53 Bohlman : right you are about most of that, except for the cost: it's usually more than that. you can get $40k worth of licenses, but that's assuming you only
54 ORDUSA : WOW! I can't believe I wasted five minutes of my life reading workbench's posts. Yes, I can read that fast. Yes, I understood everything that I read.
55 Ctbarnes : True... but remember: Displaying superiority over the self-loading cargo is little better than Workbench's feeble attempts at entitlement. Charles, S
56 ORDUSA : Agreed!
57 Jetblue15 : I'm told we have the highest ramp pay in the business. (Jetblue). I started at 10.50 and get 70 cents on my aniversary date. Our only raise was 20 FRE
58 Bridogger6 : Ok, there really aren't as many drunk passengers as AIRLINE! shows (except for maybe the on the Vegas flights). However, AIRLINE! is pretty accurate
59 1MillionFlyer : If you work as a Laywer and have clients that pay you...guess what? You are their servant! You are seriously deluded if you think that becuase you ar
60 Post contains images Fumanchewd : Give me a break. Workbench is just playing with all of you. People cannot be as patronizing and self-involved as he's pretending to be. That is unless
61 Post contains links and images Revelation : To quote Greyhound: US Airways execs drove their company into bankruptcy, but they are not getting fired, they are getting "executive retention bonus
62 Post contains images Biggles : LOL ! workbench, I suggest you stick to playing with your wood.You haven't a clue what you are talking about. Watch out for splinters now..
63 Chgoflyer : I think the ramp workers should be paid in accordance of what their companies earnings are... and dont cloud that with "well the CEO is making this" I
64 Jamake1 : Y'all...don't pay that child, Workwench, no nevermind...
65 ContnlEliteCMH : The job takes a degree of concentration. I'll buy that. The job requires some details and logistics. I'll buy that. The job is physically demanding a
66 Aa757first : Could you have done better? AAndrew
67 Tango-Bravo : Just think; if Workbench happens to get a splinter in his pinkie, he can become a cutting-edge innovator in the field of law -- by suing himself! Of
68 CRJonBeez : Workbench, congratulations on pissing off the entire A.Net group. Aside from that, keep in mind that you're not flying on corporate jets, so you're st
69 Workbench : As I have said before. Certain work groups should be paid more. Pilots and Mechanics since they have a direct link to safety. Flight attendants are no
70 Revelation : Not me, but I could kick their asses at writing performance-critical, systems-level software, and if my software sucked so bad that the only way my c
71 Silver1SWA : You know, it's people like you that cause the internal conflict I deal with every day and keep me from really enjoying my job as a ramp agent as much
72 Silver1SWA : It may come as a shock to you, but not everyone in this world wants to be a lawyer. I don't give a rats ass how much they make. That is NOT something
73 Aa757first : I hereby dare you to say that to Betty Ong's and Amy Sweeny's relatives. (In case you didn't know, they were the waitresses pouring Cokes on American
74 TinPusher007 : I think we all agree that workbench is a complete fucking asshole and none of need to waste our time entertaining his incredible ignorance with respon
75 N867BX : Sounds like a good idea to me.
76 Wunala : Well said.
77 Coa764 : First off if your poised to take control of dad's law firm how about learning how to use a spell checker when you post! Come on now, aiplane WTF??? No
78 Post contains images Cinek777 : Nice ,Agree!
79 Wunala : I would like to point out that in reply 77, Coa764 is actually quoting me quoting Workbench. Just wanted to clear that up in case anyone thought I sh
80 Bobnwa : Forum users, Workbench is just trying to rile everyone up. Thats how he gets his kicks. Just ignore his postings.
81 Post contains links JFKviaPHX : http://www.airportpress.us/classifieds.html#realestate Here is the classified section of our local Airport newspaper (JFK). You need to scroll down to
82 Yhz78 : Everybody had better be careful what they say about Workbench on this. He and his Daddy will file a major lawsuit and sue us. It's really simple what
83 Illusion : Here we have the same problem but I worked for a ground handling company for 5 years ( I was a student at university back then ) and in the end - as H
84 Cinek777 : Ok but the cost of living in New York is more than the rest of the country.
85 Greyhound : Is that all he'll be missing?
86 Drinkstrolley : Our Workbench is obviously a virgin, and will be for a long time if he keeps this going.
87 Flyer732 : Now where is my "cocksucker" smiley face? Underpaid? Come sit at my desk for the night, I'll let you call Macedonia and explain that the plane is com
88 TinPusher007 : Im having a very hard time with that. $250/month if I understand you correctly. I too have been a ramp agent for over 5 years. Even my starting pay o
89 Copter808 : Well since next year I will start law school, and since I will eventually I will take over my dads law office That explains it all... Workbench, if yo
90 Smcmac32msn : Your the most retarded person I've ever seen on these boards. A gate agent will NEVER be replaced by a computer. Why? Because somebody still needs to
91 GQfluffy : Everything about that post is true. Too bad most people who actually do the WORK don't have the time (or can't get time off) to go travel. Those who
92 Smcmac32msn : Glad you can say that to my face with my degree in Public Safety Telecommunications working the Line for the last 3 years. There are more codes for a
93 Apodino : I hate to break it too you but Flight Attendants are much more than waitresses. The Federal Air Regulations are very clear on what is required from F
94 Post contains images Cinek777 : GOOD POINT!
95 Smcmac32msn : Heaven for bid that somebody infringed on YOUR comfort. Especially an employee trying to go the same place as you. Just because some of us don't have
96 Luvfa : Actually Flight Attendants are nothing more than to save your pitiful a**!
97 Post contains images Wingspan : Your comments reflect the pompous arrogance and stupidity one associates with an overpriviledged pussy. Personally, I think it would be nice if you d
98 UAORD2000 : I only read a couple of the posts because I'm getting ready for an early trip in the morning, but I wanted to make a quick comment. During my senior y
99 Cinek777 : That is a good point.
100 Bennett123 : Illusion is that $250 a week?. Why don't you cut all Workbench some slack. When he gets out into the real world he will learn things. 1. Being clever
101 Jeb94 : You know what's funny? What's funny is people that don't value the work of the rampers, fuelers, and CSRs will be the first ones to complain when: the
102 Silver1SWA : Or possibly (brace yourselves), get a job...at an airline/airport!
103 Bennett123 : Lets not be too unkind.
104 Post contains images Cinek777 : Wingspan,Did you ever do a weight and balance on a B 747 or A 340? Their is a lot more to it than you think. Did you ever drive a 15k tanker and put
105 GQfluffy : Cinek, No offense, but I think you misquoted Wingspan. I believe Wingspan was qouting someone else in his response. But to Workbench, you have no idea
106 BHXFAOTIPYYC : Quoting Workbench (Reply 27): Well since next year I will start law school, and since I will eventually I will take over my dads law office, I am pret
107 Bicoastal : I'm basically a free market, supply and demand kind of guy. However, certain jobs in the airline industry have me questioning what's going on. One wou
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