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Could An LCC Work Out In Central America?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3670 times:

Well I thought that TACA used some LCC policy with so called low fares.

However, I went to their website and searched for fares in advance (i.e October ) which is also not a peak season I'd say Here are some prices

SJO-MGA-SJO 408 $ tax incl$

SJO-GUA-SJO 206 $ tax incl

SAL-GUA-SAL 258 $

according to me, with those short distances I would think prices could be lower. Thus would it be possible for any Loe cost central american carrier to begin. Since I live in Geneva,Switz. i'm not that much aware of the situation as could be some of my fellow Central American A.netters.

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User currently offlineN77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

A good amount of traffic in central america is not local, but O/D from USA gateways. There is not a lot of disposable income. It is not common for say, Nicaraguans to take off and visit El Salvador or Guatemala. Also, many central american airports leave much to be desired. And the local population tends to carry quite a bit of baggage and freight.

All these are recipes for a good bus service, but not a LoCo airline.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
SJO-MGA-SJO 408 $ tax incl$

SJO-GUA-SJO 206 $ tax incl

SAL-GUA-SAL 258 $

WHAT??!!  Wow!

Just curious... what dates in October? I went looking (Oct. 1 - Oct. 8) and found this:

SJO-MGA-SJO $129 plus tx $173.45

SJO-GUA-SJO $162 plus tx $206.10 (same fare you quoted)

SAL-GUA-SAL $129 plus tx $175.77

As for your original question, I'm not an aviation expert, but I'll try...

Several airlines have tried to enter the Central American market with an LCC model (Tikal Jets and the infamous SolAir/Aerohonduras come to mind). However, they have had to pull out due to low yields, which don't cover up for their operation costs (which, btw, are waaaay high in C.A.). For example, Tikal Jets Quits Service To SAP (by HR001 Jun 16 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Another complaint is how difficult it is for these new airlines to be allowed to start operations; they have to fulfill too many gov't requirements, and of course, there is always bureaucracy involved, as you can read here.

If anyone has further information please correct me!



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3617 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 2):
Another complaint is how difficult it is for these new airlines to be allowed to start operations; they have to fulfill too many gov't requirements, and of course, there is always bureaucracy involved

And exactly this would turn out to be the main problem:
The only successfull LCCs need more than one basis. This means you need to have at least three AOCs. And this is almost impossible....


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2574 posts, RR: 31
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

Those high prices are the main reason why Venezuela's Aeropostal is planning to start a new subsidary arline based in SJO called Aeropostal: Alas de CentroAm�rica. The fleet will consist of former Aeropostal DC9s (-30 and -50) which are being slowly replaced by MD80s. They plan to fly between SJO and CCS to feed their South American flights and their Air Europa codeshare to MAD.

There's also AeroHonduras which is 50% owned by Aeropostal, I think they are flying from TGU to Managua with also a former Aeropostal DC9.

Aeropostal saw a big opportunity to make business in an area dominated by Taca and Copa, I wish them the best.


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User currently offlineHR001 From Honduras, joined Nov 2004, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 4):
There's also AeroHonduras which is 50% owned by Aeropostal, I think they are flying from TGU to Managua with also a former Aeropostal DC9.

The DC-9 never arrived, the pilots were checked on the DC-9 but then told to take a hike. don´t think this will project will take to the skies. Taca an CM are two formidable contenders with brand new planes and with more coming!!

Aerohonduras learned their lesson and only flies between MIA and Honduras.



hr001


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Thus would it be possible for any Loe cost central american carrier to begin.

Of course it's possible. If here in Europe LCCs manage to be so very successful with all the problems and complications that come alongside national boundaries, I am sure a LCC in Central USA can do the same  Wink

I've just never heard of the airline you have mentioned  scratchchin 



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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 6):
Of course it's possible. If here in Europe LCCs manage to be so very successful with all the problems and complications that come alongside national boundaries, I am sure a LCC in Central USA can do the same

Latinamerica is not Europe or US. Things here are much more complicated for airlines !


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2209 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3575 times:

The first complicated step in establishing any airline in such a country is to get the rights (eg. routes, setting the company up, etc...). A government may not see air travel as a priority or may simply be content of how the current market is doing.

The prices posted may not be that significant. If the airline has those prices then the demand exists or they are flying between a hub city and another where higher prices on a point-to-point simply means blocking a seat from a customer likely to fly further.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3556 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Well I thought that TACA used some LCC policy with so called low fares.

However, I went to their website and searched for fares in advance (i.e October ) which is also not a peak season I'd say Here are some prices

SJO-MGA-SJO 408 $ tax incl$

SJO-GUA-SJO 206 $ tax incl

SAL-GUA-SAL 258 $

What dates are you referring to?

The ones that I got are completely different...

Examples:

From To As low as US$
San Salvador San Jose, CR $129

San Salvador Guatemala $129

San Jose, CR San Salvador $129

San Jose, CR Guatemala $162

Guatemala San Salvador $129

Guatemala San Jose, CR $162

[Edited 2005-06-21 19:17:25]

User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2388 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3540 times:

Well Roots no LCC will be able to take you from Geneva to San Jose so keep dreaming.  Wink


"The low fares airline."
User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3507 times:

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 10):
Well Roots no LCC will be able to take you from Geneva to San Jose so keep dreaming.

Easy Jet and Air Madrid Maybe?

MGA



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 9):
What dates are you referring to?

The ones that I got are completely different...

Maybe he looked up dates that were at peak-times or not so far in advance which (if this LCC does what all others do) would result in higher fares.



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3488 times:

SJO-MGA-SJO October 28 th - Nov 5th

SJO-GUA same

SAL-GUA-SAL same



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User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Still...

SJO-MGA
Fare Type Fare Tax Dollars (U.S.)
Public 129.00 + 44.45 x 1 Adult = 173.45
Total fare 173.45

SJO-GUA
Fare Type Fare Tax Dollars (U.S.)
Private 162.00 + 44.10 x 1 Adult = 206.10
Total fare 206.10

SAL-GUA
Fare Type Fare Tax Dollars (U.S.)
Public 129.00 + 46.77 x 1 Adult = 175.77
Total fare 175.77

I know www.taca.com can be tricky to get around sometimes... Where it says "Type of search" select Lowest Price instead of Best Schedule and voilá!



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3469 times:

"(if this LCC does what all others do)"

Sorry. Who said that TA is a LCC and why?


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3453 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 15):
TA is a LCC

 spit  Remind me not to browse A.net while drinking my coffee...  rotfl 

Now back to formality... This thread provided some criteria to consider an airline a true LCC:

- Only offering P2P-flights, like FR and U2? No, TA focus mostly on hub-to-hub operations (SAL/SJO/LIM)

- No inclusive meals on-board? Well, they do have buy on board... but then again, some "legacy" carriers are following suit (ex. UA)

- Only serving secondary, uncongested airports? No, in the U.S. they fly to main airports (LAX, JFK, IAD to mention some).

- Only having one type of plane? Leaving domestic operations aside, I recall the A319/320/321 (coming soon) could be considered as one type of plane due to their similarities, so this could be a point.

- Offering easy walk-up one-way fares? No, while it is true that they simplified their fare structure, it's still mostly roundtrip fares.

I would add class differentiation (economy/business) and a FF program, both of them offered by TA.

And my conclusion: Low fares? Maybe. Low cost? Definitely not.

 twocents 



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3438 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 15):
Sorry. Who said that TA is a LCC and why?

The thread title maybe? I know nothing about this airline, nor have I ever heard of it before (as I stated in my post above)



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3414 times:

"(if this LCC does what all others do)"[reply 12]
"I know nothing about this airline, nor have I ever heard of it before (as I stated in my post above)"[reply 17 referring to post 12]

With al due respect, you're... well... confussed...


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3410 times:

Carmenlu

Welcome to my RR list!


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3394 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 16):
- No inclusive meals on-board? Well, they do have buy on board... but then again, some "legacy" carriers are following suit (ex. UA)

This is service degradation when you consider how much you pay for some tickets

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 16):
- Only serving secondary, uncongested airports? No, in the U.S. they fly to main airports (LAX, JFK, IAD to mention some).

Good excellent point !

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 16):
Only having one type of plane? Leaving domestic operations aside, I recall the A319/320/321 (coming soon) could be considered as one type of plane due to their similarities, so this could be a point.

too bad they've got such a boring fleet. Then again thank goodness its not only A 320's



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User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

"too bad they've got such a boring fleet."

Can you elaborate this a little more.

Is JetBlue fleet "boring"? Or CM?[among some others].


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 20):
This is service degradation when you consider how much you pay for some tickets

Sad but true.  Sad

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 20):
too bad they've got such a boring fleet. Then again thank goodness its not only A 320's

Oh, come on... how can you not like this beauty?  Wink


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User currently offlineHR001 From Honduras, joined Nov 2004, 303 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Taca has been doing what most airlines have been forced to do cut some service amenities to lower costs not because they wanted to do so. Fares are substantially lower in Central America not as low as many wish buy as Carmenlu stated cost are high in the region. Taca Is not a LCC. It is a successfull Airline in very hard times, operating in a high cost region !!!

User currently offlineMGA From Nicaragua, joined Mar 2005, 726 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3325 times:

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 22):
Oh, come on... how can you not like this beauty?

Phisically its a doll!  Wink



Quoting HR001 (Reply 23):
Taca Is not a LCC. It is a successfull Airline in very hard times, operating in a high cost region !!!

That one kind of kills me.... Central America has one of the cheapest labor prices in the world. Thats why AEROMAN exists and B6, HP etc outsource their MX. Why would TA´s Costs be so great?

TA has cut every corner. Let me tell you, as an Horizonte member, i´m not happy with them anymore. I wastreated like shit in my last flight. There is no more ¨real airline¨ benefit from them for business or frequent flyers, Especially now that they want to get rid of ejecutiva.

MGA



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25 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : IMHO, it's because fuel is going up, and airport fees are quite high (about a year ago, they were even considering moving the SJO hub elsewhere due t
26 Post contains images Chiguire : They want to get rid of their business class ? I am surprised as well ! How can the leading airline in Centralamerica (besides Mexico) do that ? The
27 HR001 : Landing fees and fuel in some countries are extremely high !!! I agree with you that service has declined a lot!! but is still is not a LCC
28 MGA : I know. They would practically give up every penny form business flyers. TA is currently trying out some new seats by a new company in Ejecutiva. The
29 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : That has to be the most insane idea they have ever come up with I asked my know-it-all best friend the RES instructor, and he says he knows nothing a
30 SoAmSky : Are oil prices in Central America higher than anywhere else in the world? Give me a break! The hike on oil prices is taken by all the airlines everywh
31 Avek00 : No clue on whether an intra-LatAm LCC would work, but methinks a B6/FL operation to Central America based out of their hubs/focus cities could prove m
32 MGA : I pay 2.40 American Dollars in L.A. for Super. In Managua I pay 3.05 for the same gas. Besides that, I have no Idea of the costs. I can easaliy state
33 HR001 : In Honduras $ 3.15 a Gallon . Avjet is slapped with additional taxes.
34 Carmenlu15 : That was more or less my salary... as a supervisor. Talk about underpaid airline employees!
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