Cloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 639 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9965 times:
Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Justplanes.com is reporting the following:
US Airways has asked bankruptcy court to approve a plan that would return 50 leased jets to General Electric and sell 10 other jets. The early return of the planes to GE, 6 Airbuses and 44 Boeings, could continue through 2009, in a new agreement reached by US Airways, America West and numerous GE corporations. In a separate filing, US Airways also asked the bankruptcy court in Alexandria to expedite approval of selling 10 Boeing 737s and three spare engines to Jet Partners for $48 million.
Is the 737 on the way out for US Airways? In addition, are they still receiving A319/A320/A321s from Airbus.
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9922 times:
US has almost 100 737.. they are in no way out.. they are just cutting them in half.. plus America West is bringing 737 into the mix.. so in no way is the 737 out..
Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3725 posts, RR: 31 Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9818 times:
With their (initial) order for more than 100 A319/320s, with A321s following shortly thereafter, it seemed obvious enough that the days of 737s with US Airways were numbered. It was more a matter of "when" than "if." Two BKs, and now the apparent merger with HP, have, of course, turned upside down whatever the fleet renewal plan of Steven Wolf & Accomplices may have been when US went from a non-customer of Airbus to one of their best customers with the proverbial stroke of a pen when US signed their first-ever purchase contract with Airbus.
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4657 posts, RR: 45 Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9699 times:
don't US and HP have diff engines on their Airbii?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9509 times:
Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3): don't US and HP have diff engines on their Airbii?
They do. However, they also have large enough fleets of each that its not as big a deal.
Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 4): Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?
ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6626 posts, RR: 19 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 9437 times:
Can someone tell me if my summary is correct..
The new US Airways will use the 330/350 for long haul international..
The new US Airways will still be using their 757 and 767, the 767 will be removed from long haul but could still be used on Caribbean/Hawaiian/high load routes
The new US Airways will still have 737 for their fleet as they are only getting rid of ~60 and will still have about 70 in their fleet
The new US Airways are still taking on the remaining 13 order of 319 from American West, and an additional 30 319/320?
Aa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3338 posts, RR: 9 Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9336 times:
Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 4): Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?
I seriously doubt it. They need every long haul widebody they can get their hands on for their European network.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9239 times:
Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter): In addition, are they still receiving A319/A320/A321s from Airbus.
No, they first changed their order to mostly A332s then canceled completely
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Jetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2984 posts, RR: 8 Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9039 times:
Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 4): Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?
I don't know for sure. But i imagine the combined carrier will continue to utilize the 767's for international service. at least until they start receiving new airbus equipment.
Worked for too many airlines to list. Banktupcy after bankruptcy after bankruptcy.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8783 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 10): No, they first changed their order to mostly A332s then canceled completely
I don't believe that the A330-200s have been cancelled.
TPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 22 Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8495 times:
I doubt (all) of the 762's are being returned. Erik, no way on the A333. They are desperate enough for longhaul aircraft as it is and have their share of issues with the Airbus, delaying flights as they are only using 1 a/c per route for the most part. They only have 9 A333. The 762's are too valuable especially on seasonal routs such as SNN and VCE.
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 57 Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7458 times:
Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter): 10 Boeing 737s and three spare engines to Jet Partners for $48 million.
Hell of a deal they got for (10) a/c.
Quoting Starrion (Reply 7): My money is that within 3 years, all of the 737's and 767's will leave the fleet.
Yeah with Airbus money in there pockets I'm sure they will rid there fleet of Boeing a/c ASAP.
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 14): I don't believe that the A330-200s have been cancelled.
Correct, there order/delivery sheet is till showing (10) A330-200 on order.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5715 posts, RR: 20 Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 6778 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6): Can someone tell me if my summary is correct..
The new US Airways will use the 330/350 for long haul international..
The new US Airways will still be using their 757 and 767, the 767 will be removed from long haul but could still be used on Caribbean/Hawaiian/high load routes
The new US Airways will still have 737 for their fleet as they are only getting rid of ~60 and will still have about 70 in their fleet
The new US Airways are still taking on the remaining 13 order of 319 from American West, and an additional 30 319/320?
What part did I get wrong?
Well,...it's AmericA West...not AmericaN West
Also, it didn't say they were getting rid of 60 737s
A330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 48 Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 6715 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6): The new US Airways are still taking on the remaining 13 order of 319 from American West
I believe it's a mixture of 319/320 that are coming on this year from the original HP order; rumor I heard is that 8 planes are going to HP and 5 to US.
Quoting Starrion (Reply 7): They're returning 60 aircraft. There is no statement that this is the last of the returns.
There will be no or minimal further returns other than have been already announced. It's not easy to return airplanes once bankruptcy is exited.
Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9): US has already returned alot of 319's to the lessors
If you consider 4 to be a lot.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 10): No, they first changed their order to mostly A332s then canceled completely
No. US had an order for 1x A330-300 and 18x A320-series that was converted to the order for 10x A330-200 in January 2003 during the first bankruptcy. Those birds are still scheduled to arrive in 2007-09, as they have always been. US also had on order 6x A320 and 13x A321 aircraft. That order was not cancelled, but pushed back during the first bankruptcy and again during the current bankruptcy, now due for delivery in 2009-10. Of course, US is now also ordering 20 A350-800 aircraft for delivery in 2011-13.
Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15): I was sure that I read that N651US & N652US were for sale.
Those birds are leased by US, and will continue to be leased by US. It's possible that the owner/lessor of the planes is looking to sell them to another lessor.
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17): Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
10 Boeing 737s and three spare engines to Jet Partners for $48 million.
Hell of a deal they got for (10) a/c.
Those are rather high time birds and are going to be parted and then chopped
Quoting A330323X (Reply 19): No. US had an order for 1x A330-300 and 18x A320-series that was converted to the order for 10x A330-200 in January 2003 during the first bankruptcy. Those birds are still scheduled to arrive in 2007-09, as they have always been. US also had on order 6x A320 and 13x A321 aircraft. That order was not cancelled, but pushed back during the first bankruptcy and again during the current bankruptcy, now due for delivery in 2009-10. Of course, US is now also ordering 20 A350-800 aircraft for delivery in 2011-13.
Thanks. I had been led to believe several times that they had canceled their order in the second bankruptcy
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 22): Nope, just getting irritated by the nitpicking..
It is not nitpicking when you do something that is blatantly wrong and should know quite well if you spend 5 seconds on A.net
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Padcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 6043 times:
I hope American West and US Air make it.
just my 2 cents.
25 PM: Is there truth in the rumour that US haven't been happy with their PW4000s on their A333s?
26 NA: No way the A330s will leave. That would reduce the intercontinental fleet to just "Ye olde 762", aircraft that in majority soon will be due for retire
27 TPASXM787: Yes, I know a A333 pilot and they are always having some sort of issue with them, throwing off their schedules by 2 hr+ since they don't exactly have
28 Goomba: This may be a dumb question. Are they going to keep the USAir name or America West? Please advise.
30 Goomba: BNAflyer78 I was abbreviating - I know the name of US Airways - they paid my bills as a kid growing up for many years. Dad was a pilot. Thanks for you
31 Lightsaber: Doubt it. The Pw4168 is a damn reliable engine with great economics. Far and away the most reliable and highest customer satisfaction version of the
33 PanAmDC10: I would like to know what happened to patriotism. With a name like US Airways, I would think they would try to support Boeing by ordering from them.
34 ERJ170: It all boils down to the all American dollar.. can't get much more patriotic than that!
35 Luv2fly: For once I have to agree! Though if you can get the same product for a lower price, as a consumer what are you going to do spending your dollars.
36 Jmacias34: How many 733s & 734s does US Airways operate? Would it be safe to assume that US Airways would most likely return the 734s to maintain fleet commonali
38 Gigneil: Patriotism has no place in a free market society. N
39 727LOVER: Ya know, a whole lot of those Airbus parts are manufactured in the USA. Thousands of USA jobs are supported by Airbus. By your thinking, all the Euro
40 Bennett123: I seem to remember the quote that "an appeal to patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" problem is that I do not remember the author.
41 DAYflyer: Anyone got reg #'s? I hope one of them was the deplorable 733 with the lousy paint job that was posted here a few days ago. All 737's operated by bot
42 Mariner: Probably Samuel Johnson: http://www.bartleby.com/73/1306.html cheers mariner
43 Bennett123: Thanks for that Mariner, I had a mental block.
44 A330323X: The thing US is least happy about is that they didn't get the damn engine they ordered, the PW4173. It probably decreases mainline CASM a little bit,
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