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US Airways To Sell/return 60 Aircraft.  
User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 640 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11131 times:

Don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Justplanes.com is reporting the following:

US Airways has asked bankruptcy court to approve a plan that would return 50 leased jets to General Electric and sell 10 other jets. The early return of the planes to GE, 6 Airbuses and 44 Boeings, could continue through 2009, in a new agreement reached by US Airways, America West and numerous GE corporations. In a separate filing, US Airways also asked the bankruptcy court in Alexandria to expedite approval of selling 10 Boeing 737s and three spare engines to Jet Partners for $48 million.
Is the 737 on the way out for US Airways? In addition, are they still receiving A319/A320/A321s from Airbus.


Boston, USA
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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11088 times:

US has almost 100 737.. they are in no way out.. they are just cutting them in half.. plus America West is bringing 737 into the mix.. so in no way is the 737 out..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3788 posts, RR: 29
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10984 times:

With their (initial) order for more than 100 A319/320s, with A321s following shortly thereafter, it seemed obvious enough that the days of 737s with US Airways were numbered. It was more a matter of "when" than "if." Two BKs, and now the apparent merger with HP, have, of course, turned upside down whatever the fleet renewal plan of Steven Wolf & Accomplices may have been when US went from a non-customer of Airbus to one of their best customers with the proverbial stroke of a pen when US signed their first-ever purchase contract with Airbus.

User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4731 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10865 times:

don't US and HP have diff engines on their Airbii?


Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineBallsdeep From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10736 times:

Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10675 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 3):
don't US and HP have diff engines on their Airbii?

They do. However, they also have large enough fleets of each that its not as big a deal.

Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 4):
Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?

There is absolutely no chance of that.

N


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10603 times:

Can someone tell me if my summary is correct..

The new US Airways will use the 330/350 for long haul international..
The new US Airways will still be using their 757 and 767, the 767 will be removed from long haul but could still be used on Caribbean/Hawaiian/high load routes
The new US Airways will still have 737 for their fleet as they are only getting rid of ~60 and will still have about 70 in their fleet
The new US Airways are still taking on the remaining 13 order of 319 from American West, and an additional 30 319/320?

What part did I get wrong?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1122 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

They're returning 60 aircraft. There is no statement that this is the last of the returns.

My money is that within 3 years, all of the 737's and 767's will leave the fleet.

US is going to be a lot smaller when this is all finished.



Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10502 times:

Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 4):
Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?

I seriously doubt it. They need every long haul widebody they can get their hands on for their European network.

AAndrew


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10453 times:

US has already returned alot of 319's to the lessors, in addition to reducing their 733/734 fleet.

US and UA: America's shrinking carriers. It's all good. All removed capacity helps firm up yields (and profit) for everyone.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
In addition, are they still receiving A319/A320/A321s from Airbus.

No, they first changed their order to mostly A332s then canceled completely



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2986 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting Ballsdeep (Reply 4):
Does anyone know if any of the returned aircrafts are going to be the 767-200's?

I don't know for sure. But i imagine the combined carrier will continue to utilize the 767's for international service. at least until they start receiving new airbus equipment.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10109 times:

Embraer stated that they won´t take the planes back.
Are they considerin return of A-330´s? TP could well use it to Brasil routes.



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 9949 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
No, they first changed their order to mostly A332s then canceled completely

I don't believe that the A330-200s have been cancelled.

N


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7209 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9786 times:

Are you sure about the N767.

I was sure that I read that N651US & N652US were for sale.

I am not sure where I read this, it could have been in Flight.

What is an Aircraft Statutory Trust?.


User currently offlineTPASXM787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 9661 times:

I doubt (all) of the 762's are being returned. Erik, no way on the A333. They are desperate enough for longhaul aircraft as it is and have their share of issues with the Airbus, delaying flights as they are only using 1 a/c per route for the most part. They only have 9 A333. The 762's are too valuable especially on seasonal routs such as SNN and VCE.


This is the Last Stop.
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
10 Boeing 737s and three spare engines to Jet Partners for $48 million.

Hell of a deal they got for (10) a/c.

Quoting Starrion (Reply 7):
My money is that within 3 years, all of the 737's and 767's will leave the fleet.

Yeah with Airbus money in there pockets I'm sure they will rid there fleet of Boeing a/c ASAP.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 14):
I don't believe that the A330-200s have been cancelled.

Correct, there order/delivery sheet is till showing (10) A330-200 on order.



Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5958 posts, RR: 17
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7944 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
Can someone tell me if my summary is correct..

The new US Airways will use the 330/350 for long haul international..
The new US Airways will still be using their 757 and 767, the 767 will be removed from long haul but could still be used on Caribbean/Hawaiian/high load routes
The new US Airways will still have 737 for their fleet as they are only getting rid of ~60 and will still have about 70 in their fleet
The new US Airways are still taking on the remaining 13 order of 319 from American West, and an additional 30 319/320?

What part did I get wrong?

Well,...it's AmericA West...not AmericaN West

Also, it didn't say they were getting rid of 60 737s



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7881 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
The new US Airways are still taking on the remaining 13 order of 319 from American West

I believe it's a mixture of 319/320 that are coming on this year from the original HP order; rumor I heard is that 8 planes are going to HP and 5 to US.

Quoting Starrion (Reply 7):
They're returning 60 aircraft. There is no statement that this is the last of the returns.

There will be no or minimal further returns other than have been already announced. It's not easy to return airplanes once bankruptcy is exited.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 9):
US has already returned alot of 319's to the lessors

If you consider 4 to be a lot.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
No, they first changed their order to mostly A332s then canceled completely

No. US had an order for 1x A330-300 and 18x A320-series that was converted to the order for 10x A330-200 in January 2003 during the first bankruptcy. Those birds are still scheduled to arrive in 2007-09, as they have always been. US also had on order 6x A320 and 13x A321 aircraft. That order was not cancelled, but pushed back during the first bankruptcy and again during the current bankruptcy, now due for delivery in 2009-10. Of course, US is now also ordering 20 A350-800 aircraft for delivery in 2011-13.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 15):
I was sure that I read that N651US & N652US were for sale.

Those birds are leased by US, and will continue to be leased by US. It's possible that the owner/lessor of the planes is looking to sell them to another lessor.

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):
Hell of a deal they got for (10) a/c.

The 10 737s that are being sold are in dreadful condition and will be scrapped.



I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7868 times:

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 18):
Well,...it's AmericA West...not AmericaN West

Also, it didn't say they were getting rid of 60 737s

Excuse the h@ll out of me.. AMERICA West..

And 44 to GECAS + 10 to be sold = 54 which is ~60.. what's the big deal?



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

Lawd ERJ did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? The littlest things are setting you off into a tailspin.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6729 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7652 times:

Nope, just getting irritated by the nitpicking..


Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7345 times:

Quoting Erikwilliam (Reply 13):
Are they considerin return of A-330´s?

Not a chance

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 17):
Quoting Cloud4000 (Thread starter):
10 Boeing 737s and three spare engines to Jet Partners for $48 million.

Hell of a deal they got for (10) a/c.

Those are rather high time birds and are going to be parted and then chopped

Quoting A330323X (Reply 19):
No. US had an order for 1x A330-300 and 18x A320-series that was converted to the order for 10x A330-200 in January 2003 during the first bankruptcy. Those birds are still scheduled to arrive in 2007-09, as they have always been. US also had on order 6x A320 and 13x A321 aircraft. That order was not cancelled, but pushed back during the first bankruptcy and again during the current bankruptcy, now due for delivery in 2009-10. Of course, US is now also ordering 20 A350-800 aircraft for delivery in 2011-13.

Thanks. I had been led to believe several times that they had canceled their order in the second bankruptcy

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 22):
Nope, just getting irritated by the nitpicking..

It is not nitpicking when you do something that is blatantly wrong and should know quite well if you spend 5 seconds on A.net



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2991 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 22):
Nope, just getting irritated by the nitpicking..

People calling HP AmericaN West is irritating. It isn't that hard, folks. Even Quantas (sic) easier to mess up than that.



Firings, if well done, are good for employee morale.
User currently offlinePadcrasher From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 7209 times:

I hope American West and US Air make it.

just my 2 cents.


25 PM : Is there truth in the rumour that US haven't been happy with their PW4000s on their A333s?
26 NA : No way the A330s will leave. That would reduce the intercontinental fleet to just "Ye olde 762", aircraft that in majority soon will be due for retire
27 TPASXM787 : Yes, I know a A333 pilot and they are always having some sort of issue with them, throwing off their schedules by 2 hr+ since they don't exactly have
28 Goomba : This may be a dumb question. Are they going to keep the USAir name or America West? Please advise.
29 BNAflyer78 : Neither - US Airways
30 Goomba : BNAflyer78 I was abbreviating - I know the name of US Airways - they paid my bills as a kid growing up for many years. Dad was a pilot. Thanks for you
31 Lightsaber : Doubt it. The Pw4168 is a damn reliable engine with great economics. Far and away the most reliable and highest customer satisfaction version of the
32 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : FedEx here they come? View Large View MediumPhoto © Freight-Dawg View Large View MediumPhoto © Alexander Jonsson
33 PanAmDC10 : I would like to know what happened to patriotism. With a name like US Airways, I would think they would try to support Boeing by ordering from them.
34 ERJ170 : It all boils down to the all American dollar.. can't get much more patriotic than that!
35 Luv2fly : For once I have to agree! Though if you can get the same product for a lower price, as a consumer what are you going to do spending your dollars.
36 Jmacias34 : How many 733s & 734s does US Airways operate? Would it be safe to assume that US Airways would most likely return the 734s to maintain fleet commonali
37 MarcoT : You're being sarcastic, right?
38 Gigneil : Patriotism has no place in a free market society. N
39 727LOVER : Ya know, a whole lot of those Airbus parts are manufactured in the USA. Thousands of USA jobs are supported by Airbus. By your thinking, all the Euro
40 Bennett123 : I seem to remember the quote that "an appeal to patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel" problem is that I do not remember the author.
41 DAYflyer : Anyone got reg #'s? I hope one of them was the deplorable 733 with the lousy paint job that was posted here a few days ago. All 737's operated by bot
42 Post contains links Mariner : Probably Samuel Johnson: http://www.bartleby.com/73/1306.html cheers mariner
43 Bennett123 : Thanks for that Mariner, I had a mental block.
44 Post contains images A330323X : The thing US is least happy about is that they didn't get the damn engine they ordered, the PW4173. It probably decreases mainline CASM a little bit,
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