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NW Announces New Asian Routes  
User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2924 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7341 times:

I am surprised this hasn't been discussed yet:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050621/cgtu047.html?.v=15

NW to expand within Asia by linking Guam and Saipan with Osaka and Nagoya with 752's.

The only transpacific flights are from DTW (KIX and NGO) and HNL (KIX only)...so obviously they are going after O&D. Thoughts?

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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3103 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7227 times:

In the past NW served SEA-KIX .... would be nice if they could bring it back !

User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7214 times:

I wish they would serve CEB with B757's.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20632 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 7133 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):
I am surprised this hasn't been discussed yet:

It is, in a way, here:  Smile

NW To Fly KIX-SPN (by Jetjack74 Jun 21 2005 in Civil Aviation)



International Homo of Mystery
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6963 times:

This is largely due to cut backs at JL.
They may up gauge the KIX-HNL from DC-10 to 742 as JL is cutting a daily flight on the route this winter.
Perhaps NW can re-start HNL-FUK too. (I believe this was served before)


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6666 times:

Will NW ever return to KHH, even A320s or 757s?


Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineN751PR From Japan, joined May 2002, 1249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 2):
I wish they would serve CEB with B757's.

Gah you beated me to it, KL808!!!!! :P



"Ladies and Gentlemen it's happy hour. You will get two approaches for the price of one."
User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6239 times:

Wow! NGO-GUM!

CO and JL have NGO-GUM is it that much in demand?
CO is twice daily.

That would make it 6 flights a day to GUM...will it sustain?
I want NW to start offering NGO-HKG to break CX hold on it and lower the price. Can cost me as much to go to HKG from NGO direct as it does to fly to ORD from NGO.



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6203 times:

Centrair,
Chances are JL will drop NGO-GUM altogether or at least reduce the frequencies.

Interesting that NW doesn't schedule any of the new routes that enables connection to the US.


User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1619 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5485 times:

Centrair,
Chances are JL will drop NGO-GUM altogether or at least reduce the frequencies.

Interesting that NW doesn't schedule any of the new routes that enables connection to the US.


JAL is discontinuing NGO-GUM, Shutting down the SPN station SPN-NGO Conects with NGO-DTW and SPN-NGO-NRT to SEA/PDX and other US Dest...

Glad NW has steped up to be the Largest Carrier to SPN 747 X1 757 X2


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9169 posts, RR: 15
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5242 times:

Wonder if they will do DTW-HKG one day

User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3927 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5202 times:

THe new flights appear to mirror the NRT-GUM/SPN flights with the beach market 742s to capture the O&D markets. That's why they're not timed for the interport or US bound departures. NWA can sell tickets on CO for these passengers.


AZJ


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7545 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 21):
Wonder if they will do DTW-HKG one day

Supposidly next year, NW will likely offer direct US-China service, most likely to Beijing then maybe back to hong kong.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5055 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

I was just thinking, if NWA was to offer service from Mumbai to Japan on a DC10 then it would be possible to fly completely around the world on a DC10. I know all the DC10 lovers would find that very cool.....

bruce



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User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 840 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

I must congratulate NW. "Why?" you ask. NW is trying to increase the productivity of all those 756s that it has stationed over there in Asia. Now most Japanese based aircraft basically leave their Japanese base at suppertime and overnight at a beyond Asian airport and return the next morning. They sit on the ground in Japan for the majority of the morning and afternoon. The new NGO-GUM flight tries to increase the flight time of one bird. The two roundtrips from KIX will move one 756 from US "Mainland" domestic service to Micronesia-Japan service.

Good job NW.

Now, if "Red Eye" flights can invade Asia, their will be more productivity for NW in Asia.



--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineAzjubilee From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 3927 posts, RR: 27
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

NWA appears to be adding 2 757s to the interport market for a total of 5 starting November 1.

1 - NRT-PUS-NRT
2 - NRT-CAN-NRT
3 - NRT-NGO-SPN-NGO-NRT
4- SPN-KIX-GUM-KIX-SPN
5 - NGO-GUM

Good utilization is seen best with a/c #4 flying 19 hours of the day only resting really for 5 hours in SPN. The worst utilization has to be on the PUS section where it sits 15 hours in PUS and then about 4 in NRT. Too bad NWA can't use that 757 for another round trip somewhere. Maybe they could use that a/c for a KIX-NRT-PUS and return to use the a/c more and to provide KIX passengers with access to the NRT hub. Hopefully s we'll see CAn upgaged to a 332 and more beach market flights to Hawaii to pick up where JAL is leaving a void.


AZJ


User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

would be good to see NWA return to Kuala Lumpur. I gather they were doing quite well pre-9/11.

User currently offlineJustapassenger From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3653 times:

MAS777,

Please tell me more about how well NW was doing to KL. As I recall, it was onlly four days per week. I would love to see them return.


User currently offlineSoundtrack From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 284 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

I remember seeing the beautiful NW DC10 in a Kuala Lumpur airport video by Airutopia.com! I had no idea they served KL until i saw this.

911 made this route unprofitable with the DC10 being too big - but NW does I believe code-share with MH on this route now.


User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3096 times:

I believe the 330-200 could make DTW-PEK and DTW PVG maybe, I think the 330-200 doesn't have the range to do DTW-HKG.
This could at least be a stop gap until the 787-8 arrive.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4382 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3086 times:

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 16):
I gather they were doing quite well pre-9/11.

The KUL route performed poorly, and was finally axed on account of KUL's sky-high airport costs.



Live life to the fullest.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 16):
would be good to see NWA return to Kuala Lumpur. I gather they were doing quite well pre-9/11.

No they were not. The flight ended in September 2001, but it was announced that it was ending back on 10 May 2001, well before 9.11 affected air travel



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User currently offlineMAS777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Interesting, I gathered that NWA was planning to boost their services to KUL following anti-trust immunity with MAS, which was granted shortly before 9/11. MAS and NWA had announced that there were plans to extend code-share services between KUL and TPE, NRT, NGO and KIX with onward connections to US cities. MAS was also to become a feeder airline for flights between Southeast Asian points and KUL to connect on to NWA flights bound for the US.

MAH4546 - also odd as I remember NWA had announced that they were evaluating plans to operate smaller aircraft (757/A320) on the KUL-KIX/NGO/NRT routes (as part of the anti-immunity trust) about the same time as you mentioned they planned to pull out.

Somehow, after 9/11, nothing more was heard of this and NWA planes also disappeared off the tarmac at KUL.

NWA currently code-shares on KLMs daily 744 service between AMS and KUL.

(btw Avek00 - Kuala Lumpur has perhaps one of the cheapest landing and operational fees in the region)


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