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First/Business Class Loads Question  
User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2599 times:

Upon reading the semi-recent article at Air Transport Biz http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/AF/NewCabins.html, I am curious as to what it is that causes Asian destinations to have a higher demand for first class than American destinations.

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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9382 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

I can't get your link to work. One cause I feel might be that there is less competition to Asia?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

fix the link, please, as commenting without reading the article would be pointless...


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User currently offlineAA7573E From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2557 times:

Distance and length of flight creates higher demand for luxury in-cabin products. Thus a first class ticket from Sydney to Hong Kong, will see continually higher demand and pricing than a first class ticket from LAX to MIA.


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Its picked up a comma somewhere, try this one:

http://airtransportbiz.free.fr/AF/NewCabins.html


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Thanks.

Now here's a BIG reason. In the west, the availability of private jet aviation at reasonable costs and increased ranges have made the super expensive cabins within America and to Europe from America less fillable with full fare customers.

But it's still not practical to send shared private jets between the US/Europe and Asia and the south pacific/australia regions on a regular basis. thus the first class luxury product is still vital. Add to that the longer time you spend on the plane, and you get more of an answer.

Also, businesses are not sending their people first class like they used to. Remember that business class now offers first class or better comfort from 20 years ago. If it was good enough for top employees then, then a fully flat business product should be good enough now, no? So the First cabin in these situations is for the really wealthy, who again, use private jets these days whenever possible.

You might also combine that with the larger percent of US and Europe populations who can afford to fly, and that flying for them isn't a luxury for the wealthy. Since this is the case, as a percentage of the flying public, most western flyers are not accustomed to being pampered and are willing to sit in cattle car class, or at least business class, for a longer amount of time. Just look at inter-Europe flights. No first class, business is just quicker boarding and your own armrest and is flexible based on demand, but very little added luxury, because Europeans don't see the value. In America, the first class domestic cabins are smaller than they were for the same reason, and are more perks for frequent flyers as much as anything.

I think if you add these three things up with other factors, you see what is likely the cause.



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4530 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2364 times:

Sorry about the broken link. The above factors make a lot of sense, thanks for clarifying the issue.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21419 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

I'm sure there are others, but those are the three that came to mind.

Others likely have some more insight.



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