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Bye Bye OS MD83!  
User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

With Tears in my Eyes i followed the "Good bye Celebration" in Vienna.

On many occasions this Aircraft took me to my final Destination, safe and
smooth. After 25 years in Service for OS she will be gone.

I will miss you !

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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

Quoting VORFMD (Thread starter):

I agree with you that this was a great aircraft. But its phasing out is way overdue and I am glad that they have gotten rid of them. They were getting old. It's good to see that Austrian have made yet another step towards harmonising their fleet  Smile



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User currently offlineMd80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Now now, don't be a "hater"  box 

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2206 times:

Quoting Md80fanatic (Reply 2):
Now now, don't be a "hater"

Not being a hater. I stated that I really liked (not past tense  Wink) these aircraft.

It's just that NOW I prefer their new 319s 320s and 321s over the MDs they had from before.



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User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Harmonizing their fleet?

OS has an incredibly mixed up fleet even without the MDs. A typical intra-European flight is made with an A319 the one day, the next day it is a 73G (Lauda) it then it is a Fokker 100!

On Lauda Air`s new homepage, www.laudaair.com you see that they even want to give a A321 to Lauda Air, while the NG 736 seems to be completely integrated in the OS fleet. Some of the 767s fly OS long-hauls, some fly NG short-haul charter, etc. Now that is a mixed fleet!

In my opinion, the MDs would still be good on some charter flights to the Mediterranean, instead of spending all the money on repainting new aircraft.

Sebastian


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 4):
OS has an incredibly mixed up fleet even without the MDs. A typical intra-European flight is made with an A319 the one day, the next day it is a 73G (Lauda) it then it is a Fokker 100!

I wasn't talking about the "Austrian Airlines Group". I was talking about Austrian. And I have been there and can assure that the flight planning does not work as you have mentioned. The same aircraft is used for the same flights unless it needs to be done differently on a particular day, for a particular flight, for technical reasons (as an example). So apart from the Lauda B767 they painted in Star Alliance colours, YES they are harmonising their fleet by getting rid of their MD83s and using the A319s instead which is part of a family they already have in their fleet. Nobody was saying the MDs were not suitable for their flights. But now there is a better aircraft doing those flights which is also suitable.

Bye Bye OS MDs  wave 


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User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1969 times:

Does anyone know where it is going to? Has someone bought it, or is going to scrap?


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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4746 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

sad to see the mad-dogs go!

for me there's always something special in the MD's loooks! Those were airplanes.



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Well just spoke to an ex-colleague now and apparently the split is changing between Lauda and Austrian aircraft. More Lauda aircraft (i.e. 777 and 767) are turning into OS now. Sounds like a move to completely get rid of the Lauda "label" in the long-run. The Boeing aircraft is seen by OS as more suitable for the charter and holiday destination market while the Airbus aircraft are being used for the scheduled flights. The exception being the 2 A320s in Lauda colours. While I am getting the impression that they want to go "all-Austrian" in terms of their image, I don't think they will be phasing out the Boeing aircraft now (especially not the B777s).

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6):
Does anyone know where it is going to? Has someone bought it, or is going to scrap?

I can try to find out. But they've served us 25 years now... is there much life left in them?



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User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

@FlyAUA:

Of course I was exaggerating a bit. I know that flight planning doesn´t work that way and I didn´t mean to offend you or anyone else.
If you have been working there, you sure know better than I do.

My point was just that you cannot separate OS and the "Austrian Airlines Group" because there are OS planes on charter flights and NG planes on scheduled flights, ex-OS A320s go to NG while NG gets new 738s and so on.

But I think we could discuss this forever without coming to an end and I think this thread is not the right place for that, so I´d like to join you and say good-bye to Austrian´s MD-80s!  wave 

btw, I´m very sad to hear them going, I loved that sound at take-off in INN! Let´s hope SAS brings them in in winter!

Sebastian


User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Sorry, I didn´t see your new post while I was typing mine!

Sounds interesting that they want to get rid of the brand NG. You always learn something new here, even while you are typing!  Smile

Sebastian


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 9):
there are OS planes on charter flights



Quoting FrancoBlanco (Reply 9):
and NG planes on scheduled flights

Ok just one more point on this. You are right by saying that there is some mixing in that sense. It was always a "grey area" since OS took over NG. I can't think of any OS flights that do charter, but there were definately NG flights doing scheduled services. Many of our routes such as Lisbon, Dublin, etc... had charter flight numbers, dedicated charter check-in desks, and were operated by the charter airline (NG), but if you look at the nature of these flights, by definition, they would actually be scheduled flights. So I agree with you that it can be slightly confusing. Even more reason to get rid of the NG label. But since 2 of the A320s have just been painted in NG colours, I doubt this will be happening anytime soon. That's all  Smile



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User currently offlineFrancoBlanco From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1848 times:

Yeah I know what you mean.
These are the flights which are even printed in the timetable but with 2xxx or 9xxx flight numbers.

It just makes me sad to see the VO and NG brand going, though I understand the economical reasons behind that move.

Sebastian


User currently offlineMD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 909 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Sad to see yet another airline phasing out the Mighty Mad Dog twins. However, it is understandable, aircraft from the A320 and 737 NG families are simply more modern and efficient. It's nice to see Austrian celebrate the MD80's retirement like that, though.

Hopefully, their new aircraft will serve OS as well as the MD80s did. It's still the best looking commercial airplane to me.

Cheers, Ralph



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User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

I don't think that they're making the distinction between NG for charter and OS for scheduled (after all, some of their biggest destinations are handled by NG aircraft!). It truly is a shame that they are retiring such a magnificent aircraft (if you'd seen one of the pilots for the MD80, you'd know immediately that he was a maddog pilot, complete with a curled up handlebar mustache, rolling up to the gate with half his body hanging out of the airplane). However, like all have mentioned, progress must be made in favor for more economical airplanes, not only for economics, but for passenger comfort as well. With the new addition of F100s (I believe 10, but they may have gotten more) last year and and the (2?) 738 to replace some "older" 734s they had, OS really is taking the right steps towards modernizing and unifying their fleet. From a pilot's standpoint, the F100 and A320 series have quite a bit in common, making transition training as painless as possible, and we all know that Airbus touts the ease of transition between various Airbus models. Also, there is no current Airbus that can fill the gap that the NG 777s are. I can see OS start to retire the older 767s though, and eventually all of them, in favor of newer generation planes (more 330s, or possibly 787? Please oh please let me see a 787 in OS colors!). If only I had EU citizenship...

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1720 times:

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 14):
Also, there is no current Airbus that can fill the gap that the NG 777s are. I can see OS start to retire the older 767s though, and eventually all of them, in favor of newer generation planes (more 330s, or possibly 787? Please oh please let me see a 787 in OS colors!). If only I had EU citizenship...

The NG777s will be staying for now. They are very good aircraft for our Australian and Sout-East Asia destinations. When it comes to replacing the 767s though, they will probably go for something larger like the A330 or A340 or A350 to further harmonise the fleet with the aircraft they already have. The B767s are not big enough for what OS wants so it's only a matter of time before they are phased out too (probably when they get a little older). Destinations served by the B767 were often lacking seats! I would be very happy if the future sees the fleet of AUA looking like this:

B777 (high capacity long-haul)
A330/40/50 (high capacity medium to long-haul)
A319/20/21 (medium capacity short to medium-haul)
F100/70 (low capacity short to medium-haul)
CRJ (low capacity regional routes)
Q400 (low capacity domestic)

I don't feel OS sees a market for "medium capacity long-haul" (B757 style aircraft), nor the "ultra-high capacity ultra-long-haul" markets (A380 style aircraft) which is why I purposely left those out. If they really wanted to go all airbus, they could even replace their 3 B777s with A345 and/or A346, but I don't see this happening to be honest... only in my dreams Big grin

Nice and simple, and caters for the needs of any route you could imagine from VIE  thumbsup 



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User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

I think you're right AUA, but you neglected one thing when you said

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 15):
he B767s are not big enough for what OS wants so it's only a matter of time before they are phased out too (probably when they get a little older). Destinations served by the B767 were often lacking seats!

ALL their long haul flights are overbooked every day every flight! I think you're probably right about the future fleet plan (though you forgot the 73NG in there). I think they'll probably get one more T7 and make the rest 330s or 350s. I agree with you on the A380 for a lot of reasons, not least of which is the fact that VIE is a tiny tiny airport! Maybe that's not fair, with the expansion being built, along with the other runway, but they don't really have a use for the obnoxiously high capacity market.


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1692 times:

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 16):
I think you're probably right about the future fleet plan (though you forgot the 73NG in there).

Well in my mind, the A320 family stole that role in a move towards harmonising tongue 

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 16):
I agree with you on the A380 for a lot of reasons, not least of which is the fact that VIE is a tiny tiny airport!

Ahem ahem... it's not THAT small, LOL Big grin



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User currently offlineLijnden From Philippines, joined Apr 2003, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
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