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4 El Al JFK-TLV Flights Tonight, Why?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10017 times:

3 744s and 1 777 operated JFK-TLV tonight.....Have the summer schedules kicked in, or was this an operational change?

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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9993 times:

They're probably for Birthright which starts today, I believe.

USFLyer MSP


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9965 times:

Not to mention the 744 out of EWR, and a 744 on it's way into EWR. I think we know where all 5 of El Al's 744s are tonight!

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32619 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 9932 times:

El Al is operating a busy schedule this summer to Israel.

They are flying a total of 28 flights a week between New York City (JFK and Newark) and Tel Aviv. Depedning on the day, they will offer as many as six daily flights! (I think Thursday sees six daily flights; four from JFK and two from EWR). MIA and ORD see two weekly flights each (MIA 744s, ORD 772s), while LA and Toronto are getting six (767s).



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9632 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
MIA and ORD see two weekly flights each (MIA 744s, ORD 772s

ORD's two weekly are actually, one 744 and the other 772.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
while LA and Toronto are getting six (767s).

Its actually 6 weekly flights to LA via Toronto and another 3 only to Toronto. In all 9 Flights to YYZ.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9566 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
They are flying a total of 28 flights a week between New York City (JFK and Newark) and Tel Aviv. Depedning on the day, they will offer as many as six daily flights! (I think Thursday sees six daily flights; four from JFK and two from EWR).

Great to see so many El Al aircraft in NCY!

Do they still operate the 747 to BKK and LHR, if so the 200 or 400?

Rob!


User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9539 times:

One of 744 - 4XELB - is leaving on sunday evening for PRG from JFK, it will land here 27JUN at 0755 morning bringing 475 kids. We will have some fun with this aircraft here, all the airport will just watch it and not work


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User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9470 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Great to see so many El Al aircraft in NCY!

Do you mean NYC?

I know just a little typo.  Wink


User currently offlineLucky727 From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 602 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 1):
They're probably for Birthright which starts today, I believe.

Excuse my ignorance, but what's 'Birthright'?



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User currently offlineLY4XELD From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 857 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9423 times:

Quoting Lucky727 (Reply 8):

Excuse my ignorance, but what's 'Birthright'?

Birthright is a program for young Jews to go to Israel for "free" or cheap (I can't remember) if they have never been before (under the age of 25, I believe). They have huge groups that go at once. El Al is the carrier of choice from the US. With the large population of Jews in the NY metro area, its no surprise that they may bring in some extra a/c, but I don't know how many it would warrant.



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User currently offlineTimeforflight From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9325 times:

Quoting LY4XELD (Reply 9):
Birthright is a program for young Jews to go to Israel for "free" or cheap (I can't remember)

It's free for young adults aged 18-25. The groups themselves are relatively small, but they buy loads of seats on each El Al flight. Thousands travel each session (summer and winter)... Students are responsible for getting to NYC on their own...El AL is chosen to support Israel's economy.

Quoting PRGLY (Reply 6):
One of 744 - 4XELB - is leaving on sunday evening for PRG from JFK, it will land here 27JUN at 0755 morning bringing 475 kids. We will have some fun with this aircraft here, all the airport will just watch it and not work

This is actually a NFTY in Israel flight. All high school students - not college. The only way I know this is because I was on a flight like this to Athens in 2000 and know people who will be in Prague for this event.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9254 times:

The groups themselves are relatively small, but they buy loads of seats on each El Al flight. Thousands travel each session (summer and winter)...

About 85,000 have gone so far. I've heard that 10,000 are going this summer alone.


User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9136 times:

Will El Al every operate SFO service? I worked a LY charter years ago and was a blast seeing them here. Possibly a 2 weekly via NYC area or YYZ?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 9105 times:

Possibly a 2 weekly via NYC area or YYZ?

I wonder why they don't fly to more cities. I would imagine that they could fill up flights to Philidelphia, Boston, or San Fran if they flew 2X weekly similiar to Miami and Chicago.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32619 posts, RR: 72
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 8778 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 13):
I wonder why they don't fly to more cities. I would imagine that they could fill up flights to Philidelphia, Boston, or San Fran if they flew 2X weekly similiar to Miami and Chicago.

Miami has a Jewish population more than double that of any of those cities and a huge Israeli immigrant community second to NYC. Chicago doesn't have as large a Jewish community (it is smaller than even Philadelphia), but a large Israeli community and a very wealthy Jewish community. Filling planes to Miami and O'Hare (Miami does well; O'Hare isn't an outstanding performer for El Al) doesn't mean they can fill them elsewhere.



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User currently offlineAviationwiz From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 962 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 7894 times:

A friend of mine is going to Israel on some synagogue youth group thing and is taking Ibera from JFK-MAD-TLV and they will be in MAD for 2 weeks.


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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7672 times:

Maybe we'll see add that third daily EWR-TLV flight within the next few years. Any predictions??

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7624 times:

MAH4546, the Bay Area has a very large Jewish population. I have people connecting to LY on our morning LAX flight all the time. Maybe we will see them here one day!

ASSFO



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7606 times:

Los Angeles has both a significant Jewish and Israeli born population. Many parts of town specifically Mid City and the Westside are so much so that during Jewish holidays even schools close. Some refer to Beverly Hills as "Kosher Canyon" LOL..

El Al has done well in LA for several decades now. They seem to have settled on the TLV-YYZ-LAX route as of recent years using B767s. For a few years El Al ran a Saturday night LAX-TLV 14hour nonstop using B744s during the summer. With a strong peak of traffic during the summer months this flight would go out with every seat full week after week.

Btw, is Israir(sp) back to NY with its B767 service this year? Always tought it was nice to have some domestic competition for El Al.

[Edited 2005-06-24 01:21:39]


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24870 posts, RR: 46
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7559 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 17):
MAH4546, the Bay Area has a very large Jewish population. I have people connecting to LY on our morning LAX flight all the time. Maybe we will see them here one day!

As you previously had mentioned El Al for a couple of summers during the late 90s did operate to SFO using North American MD-80 and B757s. If I remember correctly the flight was on Sunday mornings, as I would have to make the treck up to SFO along with half of El Al's LAX staff on a very early UA shuttle flight. Flights went out from the TWA gates.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32619 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 17):
MAH4546, the Bay Area has a very large Jewish population. I have people connecting to LY on our morning LAX flight all the time. Maybe we will see them here one day!

I am not denying that. San Francisco's Jewish community is roughly about 200,000, which is significant. But the community can't even compare to Miami and LA (500k+ each, with some estimates putting both at above 600k) and none hold a candle to NYC (1.7M+). In those three cities, the Jewish populations are so significant that many Jewish holidays are observed even by the city. I know in Miami, public school's don't even open on Rosh Hashanah, and in certain neighbourhoods of all three, nothing is open on Saturdays observing the Shabbath. More significantly than having a Jewish community is an Israeli community and business ties with Israel. NY, Miami, LA, and Chicago all have very significant Israeli communities and ties. Chicago's Jewish community is not much larger than San Fran's, but El Al serves the city because of the Israeli community and business ties, not just the Jewish community. And the much longer stage length that it takes to get to west coast doesn't help either. If El Al expands in North America, I would expect to see them return to Montreal or go to Washington Dulles.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 18):
Btw, is Israir(sp) back to NY with its B767 service this year? Always tought it was nice to have some domestic competition for El Al.

Yes, they are. I have a friend that took the flight this past Sunday.



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User currently offlineLH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7324 times:

WOW!!!

Good for El Al. I wonder why they don't operate bigger aircraft into LAX and YYZ???


User currently offlineIad777 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

I always wanted El Al to fly TLV-IAD.

Washington has a very large Jewish community as well as (obviously) being the nations capital. Shouldn't EL Al be able to make money on a daily flight given these two factors? I'd also LOVE to see United fly to Tel Aviv.



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User currently offlineFutterman From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1301 posts, RR: 44
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6946 times:

Sure, many cities have big Jewish populations, but there's only ONE B&H.

Yeah, Futterman's a Jew, so just laugh.



What the FUTT?
User currently offlineACAfan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 710 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 6902 times:

Maybe the large number of seats is because demand is greater on Thursday night.

LY cannot fly on Friday night so people who wanted to get to Israel would just fly on Thursday, increasing demand for that day.



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25 MAH4546 : Because instead they choose to operate smaller aircraft and more frequency. They used fly 3-4x a week using 772s. Daily flights would not work. I thi
26 Klwright69 : Of course the million dollar question is when will more U.S. carriers serve TLV.
27 Post contains images Dstefanc : Hey, Trying to stay on topic of El Al but shifting to a different geographical location, the airline flies those same heavies to WAW and KRK in Poland
28 Nm19371 : " I would imagine that they could fill up flights to Philidelphia, Boston, or San Fran if they flew 2X weekly similiar to Miami and Chicago." I'm pret
29 MAH4546 : Yes, they did. Though it was with North American feeder services. North American flew BWI-JFK (and I believe BWI-YUL too) to feed LY flights for thes
30 RJpieces : Why did the agreement with NAA end, Mah? I was under the impression that El Al was quite happy with it--Pax getting off a 747 at JFK and onto a North
31 MAH4546 : I am not sure exactly why the agreement ended. El Al sold off their 49% in stake in NAA at the same time, not sure if one had to do with the other. H
32 Post contains links and images Chepos : Sorry to divert off topic but I remember back when EL AL flew to MCO , at one point I even got to see a EL AL 747 at Terminal A but most of the times
33 LY7E7 : I think these are already bookable via LY's website...
34 RootsAir : Accordingh to amadeus 4 fluights depart from TLV to JFK between 7:30 am and 8:30 am. With all tzhese amounts of flights so close couldn't El AL be a p
35 LY7E7 : Hardly. Such things occur rarely.
36 Amirs : It was actually a 24.9% stake that they sold. Yes, but i guess 2 - 3 planes would be enough - just for NYC. Mayeb they can use them to BKK and LHR tw
37 Chepos : With the mess AA left at TLV when they bought TWA I dont really think AA will be flying to Israel in the near future. I think it was something about e
38 RJpieces : However, I do know passengers did not enjoy thinking they were going to be boarding an El Al plane in Miami, and then getting on an NAA flight. From a
39 PlaneGuy27 : Washington-Baltimore also has to be one of the biggest Jewish populations in the US. We also get off for Rosh Hashannah and Yom Kippur for our public
40 MAH4546 : Exactly. AA can't fly to Israel unless they pay some former TWA employees a lot of money.
41 Post contains images RJpieces : Exactly. AA can't fly to Israel unless they pay some former TWA employees a lot of money. How about rehiring them?
42 EL-AL : The US airlines flying to Israel seems to had bad luck during all the years. The only US airline flying to Israel is Continental Airlines from EWR usi
43 MAH4546 : They are not banned from Israel. They are welcome to fly there, if they pay the money they owe their employees.
44 RJpieces : They are not banned from Israel. They are welcome to fly there, if they pay the money they owe their employees. Weren't a lot of them lifelong TWA emp
45 Levg79 : Back to the original question, most of the LY's NYC-TLV flights are fully booked throughout the summer. Therefore, Birthright had to charter planes sp
46 RJpieces : Therefore, Birthright had to charter planes specifically for the program. It's not even surprising they chose LY. These flights have special flight nu
47 SFOMEX : Why? Just because they are charters or it's a security matter?
48 Amirs : Thanks all making that comment, but it is obvious that that is one of the issues they are discussing now in order to get the approval. The other issu
49 RJpieces : I guess for most EL AL issues - 787? 350? new routes? 380? 744? new freighters? New Platinum? New First class? Getting rid of First Class? we will nee
50 Amirs : It should be coming out soon.
51 Flyguy1 : FYI, on 6-27, there will be 7 TLV-JFK flights. 6 LY, and 1 6H. LY will also route ORD-TLV through JFK, for a total of 7 LY arrivals.
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