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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13766 times:
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I posted a few of these topics last year and with the recent additions to the 777 Order book after the Paris Airshow I thought I would post a few questions as to how Boeing's Order's for the 777 Series will look at going into year end. As of June 15th the Boeing Website listed the following firm orders, which were;

4 x 773ER Air France
5 x 772F Air France
4 x 773ER ANA
6 x 773ER ILFC
2 x 772ER ILFC

1 x 772ER Cancellation for UA

There are still 4* "open" orders to be booked. These consist of Air India 5 x 772LR and 10 x 773ER, Jet Airways 6 x 772LR and 4 x 773ER. The other is Qatar for "up to" 20 with an exact breakdown of Firm and Options to be announced. The other 1 is Biman for 4 772ER.
*TAAG have announced an interest in 2-3 772ER but I've not heard anything for a while so I am treating with caution.

If I assume 10 firm for QR and Boeing can close these deals by year end the 777 Series will have had it's best sales year since 2000 after booking 42 firm in 2004. Now a question or two if I may.

ILFC only order if they have a binding commitment to place the frames and their order announced at Paris was booked that week. That leads me to ask;

Who are the 6 x 773ER and 2 x 772ER most likely for? I rule out Air Sahara for the 2 772ER as they announced October 2005 delivery for their requirement and I doubt ILFC have the slots free to deilver "New Build" within that time frame. Perhaps these are for TAAG? That leaves 6 773ER, any ideas who these are for?

Next question is who will likely order the 777 before year end? As pointed out by a recent posting by DaleCary Etihad almost appear certain to order the 772LR and/or 772F. Emirates are continually spoken of and indeed speak of the 772LR/F in favourable terms, however, they have 9 valuable 773ER Options too, any chance we see them exercise these? Or can they convert those options to the 772LR/F?

Lybian Arab had also expressed an interest in the 777 series. Yet I've heard nothing for quite some time. Despite a thawing in trade links the only order from Lybia has been Buraq's 738s announced early this year.

Other campaigns spoken of include CX and QF though they've been widely discussed in other threads. Those threads and others also cover quite well the Technical merits of the 777 Series and A340 Series. I apologise for not mentioning Airbus but my post is aimed at 777 orders for 2005 only. For those who wish to see accurate year to date sales of all models for both Airbus and Boeing I suggest This thread by Hamlet69

I have also ommitted the most obvious. Air Canada's 777 order and respective cancellation. Why? It wasn't booked firm on Boeing's site thus there is no firm cancellation to book either, even though both were announced. Besides, the topic is very well covered in This thread by Avek00

Anyway, I had a few questions about 777 orders and would appreciate any clarifications, corrections or updates or discussion from anyone who may be able to assist.

Thanks and Regards

PANAM_DC10

[Edited 2005-06-23 15:12:06]


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User currently offlineBohlman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13486 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
The other is Qatar for "up to" 20 with an exact breakdown of Firm and Options to be announced.

I'm pretty sure the Qatar announcement was phrased as "at LEAST 20".


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13406 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
I have also ommitted the most obvious. Air Canada's 777 order and respective cancellation. Why? It wasn't booked firm on Boeing's site thus there is no firm cancellation to book either, even though both were announced.

We'll probably see a firm order by the end of the year assuming AC and ACPA (AC Pilots Association) can come to an agreement and realize the importance of the 777 and the 787 to AC's future.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13123 times:
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Quoting Bohlman (Reply 1):
I'm pretty sure the Qatar announcement was phrased as "at LEAST 20".

Thank you for the clarification.

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 2):
We'll probably see a firm order by the end of the year assuming AC and ACPA (AC Pilots Association) can come to an agreement and realize the importance of the 777 and the 787 to AC's future.

If this is indeed the case and the QR order is for "at least 20" and all Pending orders were firmed before year end then there is every chance the 777 could sell almost 100 frames, the likes of which we haven't seen since 2000. Has there been any further news from Boeing on any planned Production increase for the 777 series?

Also with the 772F launched are we likely to see any of the major Cargo operators order the model?

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User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13100 times:

My GUESS is that the orders will be close like this by the end of the year:
4X 773ER AF
5X772LRF AF
4X773ER ANA
6X773ER ILFC
2X772ER ILFC
5X772LR AI
15X773ER AI
6X772LR Jet Airways
4X773ER Jet Airways
12X773ER QR firm (+5 extra options)
8X772LR QR firm (+5 extra options)
4X772ER Biman
?X772LR Etihad
?X772LRF Etihad
9X773ER Emirates
?(10)X772LR Emirates
CX??????
QF??????
HOPEFULLY
18X77? AC

I'm sure there will be quite a few more smaller orders this year, so I wouldn't be surprised if the 777 gets over 100 firm orders this year, and let's hope that the AC 777 deal will still go through.

Cheers, Konstantin G.


User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13009 times:

Hopefully, AeroMéxico will be leasing (ILFC) or purchasing more 777s.

Its current 6 767's leases will expire in the next couple of years (3 during 2006 + 3 in 2007)...

So, AM has to place an order this or the coming year in order to lock delivery slots. For sure Ghost77 has more details...

Regards.

Fyano


User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13002 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Thread starter):
Next question is who will likely order the 777 before year end? As pointed out by a recent posting by DaleCary Etihad almost appear certain to order the 772LR and/or 772F. Emirates are continually spoken of and indeed speak of the 772LR/F in favourable terms, however, they have 9 valuable 773ER Options too, any chance we see them exercise these? Or can they convert those options to the 772LR/F?

Mmmm, my thread got deleted for apparent possible copyright breaches, even though I acknowledged the source. So, yes Etihad looks very likely but I'm not going to bother posting the article again. Look up www.gulfnews.com and go to the business section.
I expect the EK order will be a mega-order for 772LR/LRF and 773ER, so the 9 773ER options will be exercised.
Let's not forget SQ. They are assessing the 772LR/LRF at the moment and will not be taking any more A345s. I think they could be quite likely to order this year.
Other Gulf carriers may also be interested(GF), as might be MH, but that is my pure speculation.


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12943 times:

Quoting Intothinair (Reply 4):
QF??????

 no 

Qantas Changes Focus Away From 773/A346 (by NA Jun 23 2005 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12909 times:

FlyAUA....if Boeing can PROVE to QF that the 777-20LR can fly LHR-SYD with good payload, the certainly will be picking up a bunch............


"At the same time, Boeing is promising even greater performance from its 777-200LR. New endurance/payload records are to be attempted in October by Boeing.

The company also announced at the Paris air show last week that the 2 per cent fuel burn improvement achieved on the 777-300ER had shown up on the 777-200LR, giving the aircraft the grunt required to perform London-Sydney with an economic payload. But Qantas chief executive Geoff Dixon isn't quite convinced. "Boeing is going to have to prove to us the capabilities of the 777-200LR," he told The Australian. Up to the challenge, Boeing is planning some spectacular, record-breaking test flights later this year. "

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au.../0,5744,15709638%255E23349,00.html



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User currently offlineEoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12888 times:

Air New Zealand has some 777-200 coming to this year too

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 12878 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
FlyAUA....if Boeing can PROVE to QF that the 777-20LR can fly LHR-SYD with good payload, the certainly will be picking up a bunch............

Qatas said they are now steering away from 777s and 340s, so I believe it when they say it themselves. Boeing can say all they want about the aircraft. If Qantas is not in the shopping mood for that type of route, then they won't by any regardless of what me, you, or anybody else on here thinks.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12803 times:
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Quoting Dalecary (Reply 6):
I expect the EK order will be a mega-order for 772LR/LRF and 773ER, so the 9 773ER options will be exercised.
Let's not forget SQ

Thanks Dale. If I may ask, what do you define as an EK mega-order? 15 frames in addition to the 9 773ER options being exercised? Also we shouldn't forget that SQ converted 1 outstanding 772 order to a 773ER to take their total to 19 firm for that model. As for GF, Mr Hogan downplayed the size of their order, I assume due to the aggressive plans of EK, EY & QR though I agree they may well be in the market for up to 10 777s. That said, IIRC, he was in Paris last week with a delegation. So we could hear somthing soon.

Quoting Eoinnz (Reply 9):
Air New Zealand has some 777-200 coming to this year too

Thank you Eoinnz. Are you referring to AirNZ's deliveries of the initial order announced last year? Or, is there talk that AirNZ may exercise some Purchase Rights as an add-on order?

Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 5):
Hopefully, AeroMéxico will be leasing (ILFC) or purchasing more 777s

Perhaps my assumption that the 2 772ER ordered by ILFC being for TAAG could be wrong and these may well be further frames for AM. It'll be interesting to see Boeing's update at month end to see what Engines the 772ERs have been ordered with.

Thanks for the answers to date but I'm still left asking for clues as to who the 6 773ER ordered by ILFC will be for.

Regards



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12745 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 10):
Qatas said they are now steering away from 777s and 340s, so I believe it when they say it themselves. Boeing can say all they want about the aircraft. If Qantas is not in the shopping mood for that type of route, then they won't by any regardless of what me, you, or anybody else on here thinks.

respectfully disagree

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2181636

""Qantas is currently evaluating the 777 and 787 against the A340 and A350. A decision is probably three to four months off, said Geoff Dixon, chief executive of Qantas.

A person who knows Dixon well and is familiar with how the evaluation is going said Qantas "loves" the 777.

Dixon, in the interview, said Qantas will consider the 777-200LR as part of any possible 777 order, but it wants proof the plane will do what Boeing claims � fly non-stop from London to Sydney with a full load of passengers.

"Our people at this stage are not confident that the plane can meet the specifications that Boeing indicates," Dixon said.""

http://www.rutlandherald.com/apps/pb...?AID=/20050620/NEWS/506200313/1011



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12736 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 11):
Thanks Dale. If I may ask, what do you define as an EK mega-order? 15 frames in addition to the 9 773ER options being exercised? Also we shouldn't forget that SQ converted 1 outstanding 772 order to a 773ER to take their total to 19 firm for that model. As for GF, Mr Hogan downplayed the size of their order, I assume due to the aggressive plans of EK, EY & QR though I agree they may well be in the market for up to 10 777s. That said, IIRC, he was in Paris last week with a delegation. So we could hear somthing soon.

No worries mate. I would term 30+ as a mega order for EK. If they exercise their 9 773ER options and replace their 18 346HGWs orders and 8 345s(2 will never be received by EK) as has been suggested by many news articles of recent times, then 30+ is a definite possibility. I think it could be anywhere from 25 to around 50,in reality. It looks likely the 773ER will be the aircraft of choice in that category and they appear almost certain to order 772LR/LRF as well.
I have suggested on various forums that EK are looking at an eventual fleet of A359/772LR/772LRF/773ER/A380/A380F. I am pretty certain this is now their plan. No pax aircraft under 300 pax and no pax aircraft with a range of less than 7,500nm.


User currently offlineIntothinair From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 392 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11775 times:

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 13):
If they exercise their 9 773ER options and replace their 18 346HGWs orders and 8 345s(2 will never be received by EK) as has been suggested by many news articles of recent times, then 30+ is a definite possibility.

Very good point indeed. It could indeed be possible that EK will cancel their A346HGW order, sell their A345, and use the 9 options for the 773ER+buy a bunch of 772LR. Would be good news for Boeing indeed if this deal would go through. I believe the Boeing 777 can get over 100 orders this year, and let's hope that the AC777/787 deal will still go through!

Cheers, Konstantin G.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11727 times:

Why does nobody mentioned the 2 777's for KLM orderd in may?

User currently offlineEoinnz From New Zealand, joined Jul 2003, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 11721 times:

Quoting PANAM_DC10 (Reply 11):
Thank you Eoinnz. Are you referring to AirNZ's deliveries of the initial order announced last year? Or, is there talk that AirNZ may exercise some Purchase Rights as an add-on order?

Just referring to last years order. I relized once i posted it, this was about NEW orders this year not new delivers but still a gentle reminder to you all!!!


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11497 times:
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Quoting MauriceB (Reply 15):
Why does nobody mentioned the 2 777's for KLM orderd in may?

Fair point MauriceB. I assumed that the 2 772ER KLM ordered were to be via ILFC and had already been ordered by ILFC and therefore will not be booked as new orders by Boeing on their site. Is this the order you speak of;

http://ilfc.com/press/2005%20KLM%20B777-206.htm

If so, perhaps I have my answer for whom the 2 ILFC 772ERs are destined for if these are new build. Hamlet69 doesn't list it thus my assumption they were previously ordered frames.

Dale Thanks for your opinion.

Regards



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 11339 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
""Qantas is currently evaluating the 777 and 787 against the A340 and A350. A decision is probably three to four months off, said Geoff Dixon, chief executive of Qantas.



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 12):
"Our people at this stage are not confident that the plane can meet the specifications that Boeing indicates," Dixon said.""

Hmmm I am confused now. So they made that statement on the 21st, and then the other statement (yesterday) that they are moving away from it, and that the A350/B787 replacement is more imminent now.

It's not like Qantas to send out mixed signals like this is it?



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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 18):
Hmmm I am confused now. So they made that statement on the 21st, and then the other statement (yesterday) that they are moving away from it, and that the A350/B787 replacement is more imminent now.

It's not like Qantas to send out mixed signals like this is it?

Yep, QF are known for changing their minds frequently. They are waiting for more details on the 772LR from Boeing to meet their business case for LHR-SYD all year round non-stop service with a payload suitable to QF. They don't have this problem with the 773ER,obviously, as it won't be used for that purpose(as it can't be).
I believe both quotes are essentially correct and that QF are evaluating the 773ER v 346 and the 787(all versions) v the A350(all versions). The 772LR may just be in the equation also. A timeline for this order of late this year seems correct from latest info I have.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10941 times:
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After reading the following link it looks like Air Sahara may well commit to more than the 2 previously announced 772ERs. The report, to me, indicates that we may see an order for New Build 777s though it does mention other models too.

http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=94647

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7584 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10877 times:

I am sure those two ILFC 772ER orders are for AM. AM and ILFC closed their agreement earlier this year and ILFC placed the order at that time. Delivery is scheduled in early 2006. Rumors are that an option for a third 772ER will be firmed and AM will get via ILFC a third 772ER later in 2006.


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User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 21):
I am sure those two ILFC 772ER orders are for AM. AM and ILFC closed their agreement earlier this year and ILFC placed the order at that time. Delivery is scheduled in early 2006. Rumors are that an option for a third 772ER will be firmed and AM will get via ILFC a third 772ER later in 2006

I thought they were for Air Sahara.



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User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4162 posts, RR: 89
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10796 times:
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Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 22):
I thought they were for Air Sahara.

The Air Sahara 772ERs see the first delivered in October 2005. To the best of my knowledge no Lessors have "New Build" 772ERs to deliver in that time frame. This would indicate that may be some of RGs recently returned 772s will be provided as an interim measure until S2 place an order either directly or via a Lessor.

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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10602 times:

The current issue of World Airline Fleets News has this info: "TAAG Angola Airlines has finalised an order with Boeing for 3 777-200ER and 6 737NG. The deal was signed during the Angolan President's visit to the Us" [in May].

I haven't seen anything on Boeing's website and TAAG seems to have some websites run by their GSAs in certain countries but no mentioning of this either. I guess they are waiting for financing or they will firm up the order later ?

Same with the Air Sahara order to lease two 777-200ER; no mention of this on their website on nothing on ILFCs either yet ? Perhaps this is a case of someone jumping the gun; they are still negotiating with the ILFC but no deal yet but the person in the article says it's firm anyway ?

More info ??

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25 Dalecary : EVA are apparently negotiating for 10+ 772LRF according to today's China Times.
26 Post contains images QFA001 : There is four remaining pax B747-400s remaining to be delivered to PR from a 1996 order. However, it just doesn't seem that PR wants to take them. Oop
27 Dalecary : Definitely not. How inappropriate!!! RPT-Taiwan's EVA looks to buy 10 Boeing 777 freighters Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:38 AM ET (Repeats to wider audience)
28 Post contains images PANAM_DC10 : Hi The777Man was wondering whether you'd appear on this thread With regards to TAAG it may well be that the Ex-Im Bank is behing the financing for th
29 The777Man : Hi PANAM_DC10! As for the 777s for Air Sahara (S2), it makes a lot of sense when you are saying that they 777-200ERs ordered at the Paris Air Show are
30 Dalecary : Not certain about the status of the EVA 772LRs. I'm sure QFA001 was on the wrong thread. I'm sure he'll do better next time!!!
31 PANAM_DC10 : Hello T7Man and thanks for your response. Thank you, I'm of the opinion that it is not such a wild guess as you may think. Of the list I can think of
32 Dalecary : Oops, I think it may be the right thread. I misread it completely and now read it that PR are interested in 777s instead of taking on the last 4 pax
33 PANAM_DC10 : With the benefit of hindsight it could well be that QFA001 was "lobbing a grenade" into the thread so to speak. I was under the impression the PAL 74
34 MauriceB : Fair point MauriceB. I assumed that the 2 772ER KLM ordered were to be via ILFC and had already been ordered by ILFC and therefore will not be booked
35 Post contains links and images QFA001 : Glad to see that you had your thinking caps on, chaps. This is Conco's favourite LoI. FWIW, I've never heard anything about it. If it is true, then s
36 PANAM_DC10 : I was not aware of that. I thought they had 6 direct orders from Boeing, the last 2 booked on December 20 2004 and 8 coming via ILFC (Including the 2
37 Post contains images Hamlet69 : Probably because these have not been confirmed as new orders by Boeing as of yet. To my knowledge, these aircraft are leases from ILFC, which topped
38 Dalecary : Absolutely correct and I believe the FI recent article mentioned something like 60 frames(20-odd 777 and 40-odd 787 would be my guess). I'm prepared
39 PANAM_DC10 : Boeing booked 5 Unidentified 777s on their order site today. We won't know which model until August update of July orders though it would be interesti
40 Alitalia744 : FYI - not necessarily ordered yet, but Alitalia is going to order an additional 4 aircraft! You'll see it within the next few months.
41 9V-SVC : Slightly off topic here I noticed some AZ's 777 are EI- registered , are they leased ? If so, how many are leased ? Thanks.
42 Alitalia744 : Six were bought outright from Boeing. Four are leased from GECAS (and EI- reg'd). I'm trying to get clarity on where the additional four are coming.
43 Vegasplanes : Just a wild guess, might the 2 772ER's for ILFC go to AA with the reason being they need the extra capacity for the ORD-DEL route.
44 Aussieindc : Even with the 772ER, would it have the range capability to operate ORD-DEL nonstop? Seems an awful long way.
45 PANAM_DC10 : No, I feel the 2 ILFC 772ER are for KLM as covered by MauriceB and Hamlet69 in previous replies. That's quite interesting thanks Alitalia744 If this
46 Aussie747 : I can confirm a decision has been made with regards to the QF Widebody order, however for privacy reasons I am unable to disclose anything further on
47 NYC777 : Ok stop teasing..is it the 772LR/773ER/787 combo or just 772LR and 787?
48 Alitalia744 : The aircraft will be new build -243ERs. AZ currently does not need an aircraft with greater range than their current -200ERs. While they do have some
49 Dalecary : Only 1 new Boeing member Aussie747? The QF RFP is for 777/787 v 340/350. I believe the 777/787 combo is heavily favoured and you have basically told
50 The777Man : Seems to be very good news regarding Qantas..Looking forward to something more official. As far as the UFO for 5 777s; my guess is that Biman Banglade
51 Aussieindc : That is going to be very interesting if they are to purchase any combination of 777/787's given their move away from Boeing when they ordered the A33
52 BoeingBus : I wouldn't be surprised if this is AC's afterall. The pilot issues will be resolved one way or another... it's matter of time and AC needed to lock i
53 NYC777 : I think you're spot on. I think that QF got a great sales pitch when Beoing was in Australia with te 772LR and that probably sealed it for them. Give
54 11Bravo : This is great news of Boeing and QF if it works out. This thread should get pretty lively when our European freinds wake up in a few hours.
55 Post contains links NYC777 : WEll looks like the rumors for the 777/787 for QF are getting stronger. http://www.vpmag.com/yssy/viewtopic.php?t=12889
56 QANTAS077 : the pitch hasn't been made yet, the plane hasn't even been to Australia and is not due here til tomorrow...heard positive about a 777 order about 3 w
57 Post contains links Jacobin777 : "American Airlines plans longest nonstop route, Chicago to India FORT WORTH (AP) � American Airlines plans its longest nonstop flight, from Chic
58 Post contains images QFA001 : I don't think even Time can tell what QF does, sometimes!
59 The777Man : After thinking more about this, I think Qantas is the customer for these recently ordered 777s. The pitch probably was made a long time ago or perhaps
60 HighFlyer9790 : So in a list, who has placed the 777LR on firm order?
61 PANAM_DC10 : Thank you Aussie747 for your post. Very interesting that you mention the following, QF will see a new Boeing member to their family, to me that indic
62 Post contains links N60659 : I guess we can chalk up the TAAG Angola order: 2x772ER (firm) + 1x772ER (option). The Boeing press release did not provide any information on the powe
63 Hamlet69 : Unlikely. When Boeing announces an order that was already on the books but listed as "Unidentified", they usually make a statement as such in the ord
64 N60659 : Thanks for the clarification Hamlet69. There were a few users on the TAAG order thread that were expressing this opinion, so I thought I would try to
65 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : Thank you N60659 if you go back to my first post in this thread it was the potential order I treated with the most caution. Nice to see it official.
66 N60659 : Should this be BR instead of BG? -N60659
67 N60659 : Now that I think about it, I think (and please feel free to correct me) this should read: BG - 4 x 772ER BR - 10 x 772F -N60659
68 Post contains images Hamlet69 : 87 is what I have as well. Well, for starters, we can list the campaigns that we know of in 2005: Qantas Cathay Emirates Etihad Of those, QF is now s
69 QFA001 : The birds are chirping that, that's for sure. However, I have deep reservations that QF will announce anything in August. Deep.
70 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : N60659, My error in full and I stand corrected sir. It should have read; BG - 4 x 772ER BR - 10 x 772F Apologies for the confusion. Thanks for your o
71 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : An interesting sidenote to the Cargolux announcement that they will enter into negotiations with Boeing for a minimum of 10 747Adv Freighters today, w
72 Post contains links N60659 : I guess we can put CO for 2 777-224ERs. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050728/dath042.html?.v=15 Could this be why they scaled their 787 order down from
73 PanAm_DC10 : I didn't expect to see an order from a U.S. major though it's definately a good indicator of how the market has recovered from the past few years. Mo
74 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : Well it seems more 772ERs are on the way to KLM and AM. A recent thread has confirmed AM will take another 772ER whilst it appears KLM have begun nego
75 Dalecary : Almost certainly AF.
76 PanAm_DC10 : Dale, even if they're 773ERs, I may not quite agree with you on that one sir. Also, QR today are reported to finalise their order for 20 777 series i
77 N60659 : As of Aug 4, after the Boeing orders website has been updated, the 5 UFO 777s remain unchanged. The site, however, does reflect the 2 772ER's for CO
78 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : Indeed, though we now know the model to be the 773ER. This A.net thread has got the discussion going as to who they could be for again Also ET have 3
79 Post contains images N60659 : Well guess what showed up on the Boeing Orders Website this morning: 1 x 777 also classified as a UFO. As far as I can tell, the type is still unknown
80 Post contains images PanAm_DC10 : No need to. It's a 773ER Option conversion for SQ. But that's just my un-sourced opinion Regards, PanAm_DC10
81 Shenzhen : I'll throw one out there for the rumor mill the rip apart. I've heard through the grapevine (not a long vine) that ANA will order upto 50 777-300ERs t
82 Post contains links and images N60659 : So, if true that would come from the 13 options they had with the 18 firm orders from Dec 2004. I guess you are talking about this: http://www.herald
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