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User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

In terms of aircraft what do you think Thomsonfly/Britannia will replace there 763s and 762s with considering some of them especially the 762s (which I think they are phasing out) are getting on a bit because to be honest they cant really compete with the A330 services Monarch, Thomas Cook and Mytravel are providing. Maybe they will stick to their 763s and get an enhanced interior like the rest of their fleet has received.

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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2572 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Thread starter):
In terms of aircraft what do you think Thomsonfly/Britannia will replace there 763s and 762s with considering some of them especially the 762s (which I think they are phasing out) are getting on a bit because to be honest they cant really compete with the A330 services Monarch, Thomas Cook and Mytravel are providing. Maybe they will stick to their 763s and get an enhanced interior like the rest of their fleet has received.

Most people don't choose to fly BY/TOM, the tour operators choose the airlines remember, for example: Longwood holidays are a travel company for Egypt and you cannot choose for example Monarch, they have selected to fly their passengers with BY! Most people flying British charter airlines aren't bothered, most even dont know when they book their holidays which airline they are flying on. I suppose PTV's isnt needed on short flights, but definitely needed on flights to SFB....!

I think BY will maybe go for the A350, as it provides more room than the 787!

Rob!


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2552 times:

It will all be part of TUI aircraft rationalisation and simplification.

User currently offlineCaptain.MD-11 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

The 767-200's were due for interior upgrades along with the 757's.So I'm not sure when they will be phased out.


Twins,twins, everywhere.... but where are the three holers?
User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Thread starter):
to be honest they cant really compete with the A330 services Monarch, Thomas Cook and Mytravel are providing.

They can compete with service, its the actual things offered on the flights they can't. Plus, just because they have 767's instead A330's doesn't make there service any worse. I can see where you are coming from, and even if they just improved the Cabin, they would be fine for the next couple of years.

If they where to get a new kind of Long-Haul aircraft, wouldn't it be Boeing? They have had a good relationship with them in the past.

If your hoping for a replacement, I'm sorry! But...

Quote:
No announcement on the 767-300 replacement.

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Quoting Captain.MD-11 (Reply 3):
The 767-200's were due for interior upgrades along with the 757's.So I'm not sure when they will be phased out

I think its just the 757's (all done I think) which are getting the leather re-fit. There hasn't been any announcements to re-fit the 767-300's, so they will stay in the striped seats, and the 767-200's are only getting slight modifications stated below:


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QUOTES FROM A RECANT THREAD:

Quoting BALboy:
The seats you see above will remain on the 767 fleet, both -200 and -300. The -200 have recieved the hatracks and ceiling panels and new IFE equipment. The -300 has no modifications planned..as yet.

All 20 757's to have new leather seating by 01/05/05
At least 10 of the 757's to have the enhanced interior by 01/05/05
All 4 762 to have enhanced interior by 01/05/05
All Aircraft will be TUI blue and white (including AR ex Air Holland) by 01/05/05. The majority of which will be Thomsonfly.com, but a few will still say Thomson.co.uk. No classic livery left.


Feel free to clarify my information if its wrong!

Crosswind, do you have anything to say on this subject? As you supply useful and detailed input into these kind of threads.

Best Regards,

Ryan

and welcome to the site! I see you like BY, myself, I like MYT!  

[Edited 2005-06-23 22:33:08]

[Edited 2005-06-23 22:39:29]

User currently offlineBwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

By the way - Longwood charter two AEU 737s for Taba flights, one from Manchester, one from Gatwick.

User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

Hi

Most people don't choose to fly BY/TOM, the tour operators choose the airlines remember, for example: Longwood holidays are a travel company for Egypt and you cannot choose for example Monarch, they have selected to fly their passengers with BY! Most people flying British charter airlines aren't bothered, most even dont know when they book their holidays which airline they are flying on. I suppose PTV's isnt needed on short flights, but definitely needed on flights to SFB....!

People are generally interested to which airline they fly. For example; many passengers have chosen First Choice products based on the new B767 cabins and a lot of people choose MyTravel products due to their extensive offering. MyTravel and First Choice's offerings differ but they are still nevertheless very good. Thomas Cook can compete but don't offer as much as MyTravel and First Choice and Monarch are just as bad as BY really due to their lack of PTVs although at least all of their long hauls have a Premium cabin unlike Thomsonfly. Excel offer three cabin classes which gives them an advantage as well. Admittedly FCA have had problems with the 'new' 767s and continue to do so but these will be overcome and give them the edge.

In terms of the best product for long haul charter:

1) First Choice Airways
2) MyTravel Airways
3) Thomas Cook Airlines
4) Excel Airways
5) Monarch Airlines
6) Thomsonfly

I will be flying with MyTravel Airways Premiair Gold in April to Goa and can’t wait!

Regards
ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlineManairport1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

I think Thomson have a excellent Longhaul programme but its the flights on its 767's that let it down. I think you will see a big increase for the First Choice product over the Winter 05 and Summer 06 months.

I have flown Monarch premium cabin Man-Lgw-Mle last year and i must admit i wasnt that impressed, as on the return we were given a A300 and routed via BAH for 2 hours not nice..........................................

Thanks


User currently offlineSIGNALONE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Quoting Manairport1 (Reply 7):
I think Thomson have a excellent Longhaul programme but its the flights on its 767's that let it down. I think you will see a big increase for the First Choice product over the Winter 05 and Summer 06 months.

Yep, I think First Choice will be the leading Charter Airline in the next few years, you can't really fault them!

I believe Thomsonfly could sort their Long-Haul Product out, with the 767's they have all-ready got, by making certain adjustments to the Cabin, and I have PTV's in mind, even though some of us can live without them! They don't have to do what FCA have done, just improve things slightly to make traveler's more likely to travel with Thomsonfly.

I hope the 767's don't go in a hurry, the TOM ones are my favourite Planes in the sky!


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User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Hi,

First Choice are concentrating on long haul expansion but the disadvantage of this is that most flight are only once every 2 weeks to allow for this growth. An example being Huatulco in Mexico. Also, MyTravel will stage an expansion with Salvador being a new destination for 2006 and I believe more for Winter 2006/2007 - I can see a new aircraft order being on the agenda in the next few years which I would imagine to be the A350 or B787.

Thomas Cook and Monarch's tiny 2 aircraft long haul fleet doesn't really allow for much expansion never mind does the flying schedule leave much room for error or delay.

Regards
ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Having said that to be perfectly honest as far as I know long haul only accounts for 2% of Thomson/Britannia's flights- especially when you think that they have only several 763s and 17 (I think!) 752s. But in terms of new A/C I hope they stay Boeing because Boeing and BY have a good partnership and BY has always prided itself on its all-Boeing fleet. I hope they follow FCA and order some 787s.

User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 10):
BY has always prided itself on its all-Boeing fleet.

The trouble is its not BY anymore the decisions would ultimatly come from TUI headquarters, and if Hapagfly were going to go for an Airbus order for widebody i could see TomFly combining.

This isnt the same BY that hated the A320 when they leased it anymore unfortunatly.



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User currently offlineManairport1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 21 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

Does anyone know how long Monarchs long haul aircraft are in the air on an average day?

Cheers


User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Quoting TravelTime (Reply 11):
This isnt the same BY that hated the A320 when they leased it anymore unfortunatly.

I remember that, a right carry on apparently! It looks to have been in 1998/1999 and EI-TLO was active until 13th December 2000. They haven't had them since! Here are the Planes in question:

EI-TLJ


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EI-TLH


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EI-TLF (This Photo below has Photo ID 830000!!)


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and EI-TLR.

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 10):
Having said that to be perfectly honest as far as I know long haul only accounts for 2% of Thomson/Britannia's flights- especially when you think that they have only several 763s and 17 (I think!) 752s. But in terms of new A/C I hope they stay Boeing because Boeing and BY have a good partnership and BY has always prided itself on its all-Boeing fleet. I hope they follow FCA and order some 787s.

They have 9 767-300's, surely their Long-Haul accounts for more than 2%? Especially when they have 4 767-200's on the go.

I agree with what you said about sticking with Boeing, I think they should, but as TravelTime said, its all down to TUI now!

Quoting Manairport1 (Reply 12):
Does anyone know how long Monarchs long haul aircraft are in the air on an average day?

That is quite a difficult question, 18 hours tops probably (in 24 hours), that's if a certain aircraft was to do a Orlando run and back.

Someone clarify this thanks!  Smile

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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

I was drugged and forced onto a TUI 757 in January. Never again I said. The same thing happened in May but this time I was knocked unconscious and put on an Excel 757. Quite frankly some of these charter companies are awful and I can't stand them anymore.

The Longhaul product is better than the European and African local routes but even so, some are worse than others. Britannia's long haul product is to sum it up, pants. MyTravel, god bless them, Thomas Cook and Monarch have a half decent service on their A330's as do First Choice on their upgraded B763 aircraft but Britannia are lagging behind. I'd want a rebate if I was forced to fly them again.



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineThomasCook From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 796 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Hi,

MYT332

Are you doing a trip report for those BY flights? I agree that MyTravel, First Choice and maybe TCook provide good long haul service but Monarch are similar to Thomsonfly really as they don't have the PTV's in economy and on the A300s; the PTVs in Premium are handheld DVD players. Also, MON's Premium pitch is only 34'' compared to MyTravel and First Choice's 36''.

Regards
ThomasCook



A380 Crew
User currently offlineBh4007 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2069 times:

Quoting SignalOne (Reply 13):
They have 9 767-300's, surely their Long-Haul accounts for more than 2%? Especially when they have 4 767-200's on the go.

I got this from BYs website about a year ago and I think it was 2% in one year and up to 10% in the late nineties - but who knows as the new Thomsonfly website keeps the info on the airline to a minimum, which, if you're flying with them like I am in August, is quite annoying.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

You're not telling me these 767s are eight abreast?! My God. I bet that's comfortable!

User currently offlineDemoose From Canada, joined Mar 2001, 1952 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Yes, eight abreast 2-4-2 configuration and having travelled on one of these 767's from Manchester to Orlando I can tell you its not very comfortable at all, and I would avoid charter 767's for longhaul in future, A330's seem a bit more roomy.

In Airliner World a few months ago they had a brief article on Thomsonfly and they said that they are expected to announce a longhaul replacement order around 2007 I think.

Mark



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6923 posts, RR: 63
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Demoose (Reply 18):
and I would avoid charter 767's for longhaul in future

Last charter I flew on was a Monarch 1-11... (Think I'll keep it that way!)


User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2014 times:

Quoting ThomasCook (Reply 15):
maybe TCook provide

I'm sure Thomas Cook offer a very good Long-Haul product from the Trip-Reports I have read?

Quoting Bh4007 (Reply 16):
the new Thomsonfly website keeps the info on the airline to a minimum,

Now they have shut down the Britannia Airways site, the new Thomsonfly one is, well, useless for Airline information mostly like you say.

Quoting PM (Reply 17):
You're not telling me these 767s are eight abreast?! My God. I bet that's comfortable!

Yes they are:


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And it looks like I will be on one of the Thomsonfly 767's from EMA to Ibiza in August, but as they are my favourite Planes, I'm looking forward to it. Looks like a Thomsonfly 757 to Menorca in October though.


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User currently offlineSimProgrammer From France, joined Aug 2004, 193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

I travel on holiday twice a year, and when I decide what tour operator we go with, its always the price for the same holiday that counts.

I love planes, and even worked as a programmer for a company that builds them, but when it comes to holidays, it makes no difference to me what aircraft we are travelling on. Its only when my employer is paying for the flights then I sometimes have a say in what aircraft.

BY's long haul isn't the best, but it did the job, Thomson Holidays did provide a very good holiday at Punta Cana on a 763ER G-BYOB at an excellent price albeit the seat didn’t recline due to being a bulkhead seat and the reading light didn’t work.

I did a similar PUJ on Thomas Cook A330 and have to admit the flight was a much better experience. I might have been unlucky with BY. I’m booked on TC's Puerto Plata service A330 next year.

Its the price in the travel agents window that counts, and I'm sure its the same with those who don’t know a 733 from an A321.

The quality of the flight counts very little when it's a holiday flight.



Drive a bus, an Airbus, easier than a London bus!
User currently offlineSignalOne From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

Hi,

I have just checked my flights with Britannia this year and when I go to:

Ibiza in August, its going to be a 757.

and Menorca in October, its going to be a 767.

both flights are from East Midlands Airport.

Quoting SimProgrammer (Reply 21):
Its the price in the travel agents window that counts, and I'm sure its the same with those who don’t know a 733 from an A321.

Very true, when I told my parents what we would be flying on, they aren't exactly bothered, and neither am I really, I will look forward to my 767 flight!!

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