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How Old Are AA's And AS' MD-80?  
User currently offlineNewsisco From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Does anyone know how old are the aa's/alaska airways MD-80s and MD-80 supers are

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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

American's first & oldest MD-80 (N203AA) is 22 yrs old, while the youngest (N984TW?) is 6 yrs old. N984TW came from the TWA take-over, and it may be the last MD-80 ever assembled, however I'm not 100% of this info.
I'll let someone else here that's more knowledgeable on Alaska's fleet to answer the rest of the question.  Wink Regards.



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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7871 times:

Well, since no one here will answer his Alaska Airways question, I'll do it anyway.  Wink Currently AS's oldest MD-80 is N931AS...20 yrs old. The youngest MD-80 is N982AS...8 yrs old. Regards.


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

The TWA md83s were the last built. I thought they were parked though.

User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
and it may be the last MD-80 ever assembled

It was the last MD-83 ever built, When it flew for TWA it had "The Spirit of Long Beach" painted on the side.

[Edited 2005-06-24 16:27:47]


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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7820 times:

Alaska: the average age of the MD-83 fleet is 13,27 years.

American: the average age is 11,69 years for the MD-83s and 17,62 years for the MD-82s.

Most of TWA's MD-83 are still in service with AA, mainly older MD-82 have been stored.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7801 times:

Quoting Newsisco (Thread starter):
Does anyone know how old are the aa's/alaska airways MD-80s and MD-80 supers are

AA's oldest MD80 was delivered May 12, 1983, and thus just had its 22nd birthday. AA's newest MD80, N984TW, was delivered new from LGB to TWA on December 27, 1999 and was, indeed, the last MD80 ever built. AA's MD80s are, on average, 15.9 years old.

AS's oldest MD80, N931AS, was delivered February 20, 1985, and is 20 years old, and their newest, N982AS, was delivered May 27, 1997, and is thus just over eighty years old.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
The TWA md83s were the last built. I thought they were parked though.

The TWA MD83s were the last built, and thus the newest, and some -- about 14 -- are still parked in storage in Roswell, NM, IIRC, but the vast majority of the TWA MD80s are still flying with AA.


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7716 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 1):
American's first & oldest MD-80 (N203AA) is 22 yrs old, while the youngest (N984TW?) is 6 yrs old.

This is a classic photo (most popular) of 22 years old MD-80 (N203AA)


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Youngest MD80 (N984TW) no photo of that plane in TWA scheme


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7697 times:

I am not too familiar with AS M80s but I found photos of N931AS & N982AS.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
AS's oldest MD80, N931AS, was delivered February 20, 1985, and is 20 years old


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Photo description identified N931AS as M83? What year was M83 first produced?

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
their newest, N982AS, was delivered May 27, 1997, and is thus just over eighty years old.


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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7657 times:
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Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
Well, since no one here will answer his Alaska Airways question, I'll do it anyway

How can you, since there's no such company as Alaska Airways?

Alaska AirLINES, however, is a very real company.  Wink

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
AS's oldest MD80, N931AS, was delivered February 20, 1985, and is 20 years old, and their newest, N982AS, was delivered May 27, 1997, and is thus just over eighty years old.

Eighty years, eh? Time to review your math skills....



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User currently offlineToTheStars From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 264 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7589 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
Well, since no one here will answer his Alaska Airways question, I'll do it anyway

How can you, since there's no such company as Alaska Airways?

Alaska AirLINES, however, is a very real company.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
AS's oldest MD80, N931AS, was delivered February 20, 1985, and is 20 years old, and their newest, N982AS, was delivered May 27, 1997, and is thus just over eighty years old.

Eighty years, eh? Time to review your math skills....

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 9):
Eighty years, eh? Time to review your math skills

Sorry! ... please excuse the typo.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7551 times:
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Quoting ToTheStars (Reply 10):
What's it like being perfect?

Couldn't tell ya. I'm far from it...hence the wink at the end of my post. One was MEANT to follow the second one about "eighty years" as well.

I was just poking fun, that's all.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 11):
Sorry! ... please excuse the typo.

No apology necessary! I should have put a wink at the end to indicate I was just playing around - I don't get bent about things like that.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5155 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7548 times:

NW will snap up those 80 year old 80's!

Being a Douglas design they'll probably be still flying in 80 years.



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User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13649 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7541 times:
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Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 13):
Being a Douglas design they'll probably be still flying in 80 years.

Well you know what they say - when the last A320 is flown to Marana or Mojave for scrapping, the pilots will be ferried home on DC-9s!  biggrin 



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11752 posts, RR: 62
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7528 times:

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 14):
Well you know what they say - when the last A320 is flown to Marana or Mojave for scrapping, the pilots will be ferried home on DC-9s!

Absolutely true. Douglas made great, tough, reliable planes. It is pretty telling that even now, more than 20 years after they first entered service, MD80s are still roughly cost-competitive with much, much newer 737s and A320s. That's pretty impressive. I fondly remember many flights on old DC10s, too, and I always remember hearing pilots say that it was the toughest bird they ever flew -- you could beat the crap out of it and it would still take on fuel and fly right on, no problems. It was just a great plane -- I am so sad to see the old 10s just about gone in the U.S.


User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

LOL! Big grin I wouldn't feel bad, Commavia. The way Douglas built their aircraft, the MD-80s could very well be flying until their 80th b-day. Hell, look at the DC-3s that are still around, and NW's DC-9s are already half-way to that milestone.  Wink Regards.


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User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Quoting September11 (Reply 7):
Youngest MD80 (N984TW) no photo of that plane in TWA scheme

just found this picture ... the LAST ever produced M80


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photo description: N984TW (cn 53634/2287) "Spirit Of Long Beach" #9654. The last MD80 to be built.



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User currently offlineJfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

This may be a bit off topic, but appropriate to the MD80 family. How come some MD80's have a "pointed" tail cone and some have a "flat" tail ending? I think they may call them beaver tails, but I'm not sure.

Was this due to airline preference when ordering or was it part of a series update?

Any help is appreciated.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

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AA are too old to to figure.  Smile


User currently offlineJfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7388 times:

For an example of my question above, you can reference the two side by side photos of the AA MD80's referenced by September11 above.

User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7366 times:

Quoting Jfrworld (Reply 18):
This may be a bit off topic, but appropriate to the MD80 family. How come some MD80's have a "pointed" tail cone and some have a "flat" tail ending? I think they may call them beaver tails, but I'm not sure.

Was this due to airline preference when ordering or was it part of a series update?

Any help is appreciated.

Here is archived thread to help you



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26605 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

Quoting Newsisco (Thread starter):
MD-80s and MD-80 supers are

All MD-80s are "Super 80s".

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 3):
The TWA md83s were the last built. I thought they were parked though.

Nope, AA has kept most of TW's newer MD-80s flying

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
and is thus just over eighty years old.

Man, that is one impressive aircraft.  Silly



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7234 times:

Considering AS just ordered 35 738s, the MD-80s are headed out the door.
AS has been slowly withdrawing a number of MD-80s, particularly the older ones.
Obviously, no timetable for AA MD-80 replacement.

MD-80s are still great planes when maintained properly. The only seat that suck are the ones next to the engines, but I suppose it depends on if one likes the loud engine whines.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 6):
The TWA MD83s were the last built, and thus the newest, and some -- about 14 -- are still parked in storage in Roswell, NM, IIRC, but the vast majority of the TWA MD80s are still flying with AA.

Not to get too optimistic about expansion here, but this appears to give AA some narrowbodies to bring back into mainline service to replace some of Eagle's better-producing flights, right? Or are these parked aircraft something AA wants to retire to make the fleet more standardized?

You know I am new to A-net and thought I knew a lot about airlines but sheesh....this group makes me feel like a novice!


25 Commavia : Theoretically, yes. These TWA MD80s can be reactivated by AA and brought back into service in the future. Although, I'm not sure if it will be to rep
26 Ckfred : The only reason that AA's 767-200s (non-ER) would come back is if a major carrier were to go out of business, and AA needed to get every parked plane
27 Post contains images FlagshipAZ : If all the stored MD-80s were to be bought back into service, then AA would have a fleet of 362 Mad Dogs! I think this is by far the largest fleet of
28 Commavia : I doubt they'll ever even get the chance. Most are already being prepared to be scraped and scavanged for parts. They're not coming back. AA's MD80s
29 ASMD80 : Most likely it was converted to an MD83. BTW, how are MD-82 a/c converted to MD-83?
30 Jeb94 : MD 82s are converted to 83s basically by uprating the engines from 217s to 219s, changing the landing gear out for a set capable of more weight, and c
31 Post contains images N1120A : Yes WN has a lot of 737s. More than 400 And that carrier is... American Airlines (yes, I know you are talking about G4).
32 EIPremier : I believe AS has 3 MD-80s that were delivered in 1985, making them 20 years old (N931AS, N934AS, N935AS0. The remaining 23 MD-80s were delivered betwe
33 Gilesdavies : I have only had the opportunity to fly on the MD-80's once and that was when I was on holiday in the US and both me and my brother flew AA LAX-LAS ret
34 RoseFlyer : Just checking, but was AS receiving MD-80s and 734s at the same time. The capacity on the two planes are almost the exact same, so why would AS make s
35 Post contains links and images September11 : they lost one MD80 few years ago ... N963AS ... rudder control lost during flight off California shore ... here is photo of their MD80 that was peris
36 N1120A : AS had planned on having a completely common MD-80 fleet (with the 732Cs excepted) because of their typical fleet mission at the time and the MD-80s
37 Atrude777 : Southwest has about 432 737's. AA has what someone said 362 I think. NWA is probably behind AA with most aircrafts with the DC-9 I assume. Alex
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