Indy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4617 posts, RR: 16 Posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5913 times:
This comes as absolutely no shock to me that NW is dropping the IND-STL route at the end of June. This route was advertised as being 3x daily. It quickly went to 2x daily and now it will be dropped at the end of this month. The route will have lasted 3 weeks. This comes as no shock to me as I have checked seat assignments and they have been pretty much empty. I'd guess that on average the load is 25%.
Stl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 497 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5832 times:
That is no surprise to me either. Who could afford to fly the route with fares averaging over $900 for such a short flight? I don't even know why they would have added this route in the first place. The O&D traffic on the route is horrible something like 50 daily passengers.
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LGAtoIND From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 490 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5647 times:
I've heard that NW is doing fabulous out of IND. Anyone who has recently been in Concourse A will know that it is usually packed. Also, every time I fly NW out of IND my flights are full or overbooked. I was thinking about non-reving from LGA-IND and heard that it is near impossible, especially on the weekends.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 10502 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5377 times:
Thanks for the numbers. It looks like some of the flights are doing really well. I am not surprised at all that the business traffic destinations are not doing as well as some of the more leisure markets. But honestly, wouldn't it be fun to be on a CRJ with only two people? More staff than passengers.
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MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33997 posts, RR: 70
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5304 times:
Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 15): Wow! Shut up! Can we get a switch to the Avro for one of these flights, please?
Just because a flight fills up, doesn't mean you instantly upgrade it to a larger aircraft. If the RDU-IND flights are filling up and making money, which I'm sure they are, then unless adding more capacity would boost yields (which it likely wouldn't), there is no point. It wouldn't be wise of Northwest to dramaticlly increase seats on these routes unless there is a very obvious need (like when ATA dropped out of IND-LGA).
If anything, I think NW would add a third daily CRJ departure to better suit business travelers' needs.
SHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5252 times:
ERJ-There is also the part of one of the NW work groups' contracts that state any point-to-point flying must either be done by planes with 44 seats or less, or by mainline crews and metal. It's either the CRJ-440 or the DC-9-30 (or larger)
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Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5243 times:
Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 19): ERJ-There is also the part of one of the NW work groups' contracts that state any point-to-point flying must either be done by planes with 44 seats or less, or by mainline crews and metal. It's either the CRJ-440 or the DC-9-30 (or larger)
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3534 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5226 times:
Quoting BHMNONREV (Reply 8): On a related note, I would guess AA will go back to an AT7 or even a J41 on STL-IND, now that the competition has gone away...
Yeah, but that ATR on the morning flight with about 45 minutes between flights on an OKC-STL-IND connection still beats the heck out of going through DFW in my opinion.
Interesting note TWA's IND-STL morning flight before AA was a 57 and they would be turning away passengers. AA's way of shifting routing through ORD & DFW to cut down loads to STL and add delays to ORD & DFW.
DC930 would be too much, I think.. I'm just happy the route is doing well. IND was, for a long time, a decent count unserved destination. Glad NW jumped on it. Now if they could add a 1 daily to MKE on the CRJ. I think 1 daily will be a plenty. Perhaps it would tick off YX for dropping the route. (although it would be nice to see YX do RDU-MKE/MCI on Skywest again) LOL.. perhaps not. Oh well, one can wish for more service.
And please no flaming from anyone.. I"m just wishing upon a star!
LGA - 2 CRJ upgrades to DC9-30
TPA - 1 DC9-30 upgrade to A320
MEM - DC9 upgrade to A320
DCA - 1 CRJ upgrade to DC9-30
BOS - 1 CRJ dropped. Now 2x daily
BDL - 1 DC9-30 dropped. Now 1x daily
STL - Ending Service 6/30
For the most part very nice loads. While PHL is a bit low on a couple of the flights it is slowly picking up since the route started. It has to be a hard sell with US flying there and all the connections US offers from there.
Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
: For awhile, they and US were in a bit of a fare-war. I saw them as low as $145 once. That seems to have subsided now as they're back up to around $22
: I wonder if NW will try a single daily flight from IND to MKE on a CRJ? Isn't Midwest Connect the only airline flying that route?
: Possibly in the future, I just took what PARS said for tomorrow then looked at the loads.
: Burnsie, What about the MCI-IND loads? Do you have those by chance?
: MCI-IND for June 24 4769 39/44 2902 20/44 Also, Cancun only runs saturdays, so ill throw that one in since its operating right now, many of the other
: STL-IND never even had a chance the way they priced it, I looked into flying it because I needed to go back to Bloomington for a day and it was just i
: You are missing a flight. There are 3 daily departures to MCI. 4799, 4791, 4768 to MCI and 4786, 4769, 2902 from MCI.
: The IND-PBI and IND-SRQ flights are not in the schedule for next winter. I know it is early, but I point it out because the seasonal IND-CUN (IND-CUN
: Pars is only showing two flights non-stop MCI-IND tomorrow thats Flight 4769 and Flight 2902 which is odd that their official pax count and flight is
: Well even at WN's fares the IND-STL market wasn't strong...as WN went from 5 flights daily to dropping the route all together in '03. So I'm not surp
: This route has not seen a mainline jet since Southwest pulled out. AA is props and RJs.
: Problem with that route in my opinion is that its a 4 hr 30 minute drive to STL from IND. If you do the 2 hours early nonsense and the hour flight you
: As said, IND-STL is such a short route and so expensive why bother flying. I wonder if IND-SFO would work as a new route? I would think they wouldn't
: If I had to put cities on a short list I think I would put PHX (95% sure it will be back), SFO, PDX and the less likely but possible routes would be M
: I think MKE/YYZ/PIT are much more likely than IND-PDX. I don't think that would happen. MEM doesn't even have PDX flights.
: Isn't PDX the gateway city on the west coast? Or is that SEA?
: Northwest has a decent operation out of PDX with non-stops to MSP, PDX, HNL, DTW (which until recently was seasonal) and NRT. Though Seattle is a big
: LOL now you cant even get any pretzels.
: I don't think BDL-IND was ever dc9. -Eric
: There's already a few PIT-IND's on US... and pretty cheap too! It's surprising the traffic on that route, except for alot of Pittsburghers moved towa
: You've heard wrong- most of the flights are doing very well, I have been told, by the powers that be at NWA.... mtnman
: I fly that route often and it isn't always that cheap. Today, I'm flying IND to PIT on UA because it is close to $300 cheaper than US. The highest I'
: $1000 14 days advance? Was it business class?
: Just about everything that Pinnacle flies out of IND and MKE is awful with the possible exception of IND/RDU and IND/LGA.
: You dont read do you, STL is the only route that is doing poorly. PHL, BDL, RDU, LGA, BOS, AUS, DFW, DCA flights are pretty much full
: I would like to see CAK-IND or CLE-IND, only so I could connect there from FLL or PBI instead of DTW - but I am sure that is just not realistic. I wou
: ive looked for various dates ahead in the calendar and thus far AA is keeping their STL-IND ER runs. can anyone look and see what their load factors a
: It would surprise me if IND got PDX service before MEM did.
: "the Asia flights"? NW offers a daily PDX-NRT flight, that's it. They also offer MSP-NRT, DTW-NRT, LAX-NRT, and SEA-NRT, so if IND passengers needs t