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United 747-200's  
User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Does anybody know if United operates any more of the older 747's? Or is it now just the 747-400? Thanks for your help!!


Boeing744

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1687 times:

I know they operate the 747-200s on the SFO-HNL and LAX-HNL routes! I hope they don't retire them anytime soon!

User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1661 times:

As of Dec, 31 1999 United had 7 742's in their fleet with an average age of 23 years. Plus they have 43 744s with one more yet to be delivered... plus many more 767's and 777's due in the next few years. I believe the 742's are spending out their last days on Hawaii runs where DC-10s and 742s are being replaced by 757s,767s,777s,and 744s. But by 2005 older UA types should be retired.


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User currently offline747-600X From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2795 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1650 times:

I was just on a 747-200 (for the first time) of United's at ORD the other day. Weird: Their time table lists various statistics for each jet in the back, including the 747-100 even though that aircraft has been retired! It's weird, you'd think they'd take the older jet's data out of the books.


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User currently offlineTimobear From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1624 times:

we still have 6 238's left. They are expected to be gone within 12 to 18 months. That would require us to pay the penalties for ending the lease sooner than arranged but in the long run the company will save money.
After we get rid of them, you can probably find the "lemon sisters" flying with some international carrier.


User currently offlineTimobear From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

correction: I was incorrect in my above statement" we still have 6 left..." In fact we have 7 left.
thanks


User currently offlineAa777com From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

see the retired UA 747's on my webpage www.aa777.com, click on the photo galleries, check the "greenwood" and "ardmore" pages.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

Does anybody know if United still has in service that 747-200 that had the structure failure in flight from a faulty cargo door after taking off from Hawaii sucking out 9 passengers? I know that the aircraft was repaired and returned to service.

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4695 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Regarding the UA 747 with the structure failure:
I think it is no longer serving with UA. All aircraft remaing are -238B (see Timobear's posting), which were acquired from QF in 1993 (?). The 747 involved in the incident was - to my knowledge - a -100 (-122 or -123?).



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User currently offlineHawaiiB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

The 747 that had the explosive decompression over Hawaii was 747-122 N4713U. It was repaired and returned to United service as N4724U. It has since been retired.

User currently offlineTEDSKI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 1507 times:

I am confused over distinguishing the difference between the 747-100 & 200 models. I know that on the 100 models they have 3 windows on each side in the upper deck.
I thought it was on the 200 model they added the multiple windows on the upper deck? I didn't know they were added to the 100 models?


User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (14 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

Whats the difference between a 747-100 and 747-122
and between a 747-200 and 747-238B. I dont get what it means. I have noticed that with other types of planes too.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

A 747-122 is the exact same thing as a 747-100, except the "22" designator shows which airline the planes were built for, and to the certain specifications of that airline. 22 is Boeing's code for UA, 23 for AA, etc.

A 747-238 is a Qantas jet [that's QF's code, correct?], with the same type of airline identifier. The "B" part signifies a heavier gross weight model, allowing for much more range than the standard model. The "B" has the same meaning as the "ER" or "IGW" on the 777-200.

FLY777UAL


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7802 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

It is very hard to externally distinguish a -100 from a -200 unless the -100 was equipped with only 3 windows on the upper deck. Quite a few airlines speced out their -100s with the full 7 windows on each side. Northwest being one of them, and a better part of United's -100 fleet is that way. I have seen them with both window configs. Sorry it does not help much, but that is how it worked.


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1463 times:

If UA has 7 747-238Bs in service, where are the 2 747-222Bs that where delivered directly to United?

They are considerably newer than the former Qantas planes and should have half of their life still ahead of them.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1460 times:

The -222Bs are gone... I believe they were the 2 ships used on JFK-NRT-JFK. It has since been switched to 747-400.

User currently offlineWhisperingiant From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

The 747-100s were originally designed with the famous 3 windows up above. Later aircraft (ie. most if not all -200s) were delivered with 10 windows per side on the upper deck.

The -100s which were converted had either 8 windows per side or 10 per side including a conversion to shift the upper deck rear bulkhead back a few feet. Some even had a galley inserted at the rear of the upper deck!

Ages ago, I worked out how the upper deck windows thing worked by tracing extra windows onto a poster of an Air France 747-100!

I live in hope that someone will preserve a 747-100 in 3-window config, but after the appalling destruction of the ex-Virgin 747-100 at Kemble, and the banishment of the BA 747-100s to a remote field in the USA, I am not holding my breath.

These aircraft are the classics of our time - please don't let's squander them.

wg



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User currently offlineChiawei From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1397 times:

>It is very hard to externally distinguish a -100 from a -200 unless the -100 was
equipped with only 3 windows on the upper deck. Quite a few airlines speced out their
-100s with the full 7 windows on each side. Northwest being one of them, and a better
part of United's -100 fleet is that way. I have seen them with both window configs.
Sorry it does not help much, but that is how it worked. <

This is no the case as well. Some early model 747-200 were delivered with 3 upper deck window as well. I know JAL has several 246B that used to have 3 upper deck windows.


User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1381 times:

UA will retire all 4 four remaining 747-200Bs on 14 Dec this year. The777Man


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6648 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1383 times:

UA will retire all 4 four remaining 747-200Bs on 14 Dec this year. The two 747-222Bs were sold to Northwest who will convert them to cargo planes. The777Man


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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24961 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1379 times:

Is one of their ex- 747-200s now operating as Air Force One?


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8031 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1374 times:

GKirk,

No, the VC-25A's that were built as Presidential transports were "new build" planes that might as well be described as "passenger variant" 747-400F's.

The VC-25A had a structure more akin to a 747-400 because it had to carry so much extra equipment you don't see on normal 747's, such as a LOT of top-secret communications gear (the VC-25A could act as a de facto airborne command post if necessary, though of course much more limited than the E-4B dedicated airborne command posts).


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1376 times:

Such confusion here; to simplify:\

1) UA's 747-100s are now all retired - their fleet was a mix of aircraft acquired new from Boeing, the -122 ships, and those acquired 2nd hand which were originally built for AA, the -123 ships. The airplane that had an accident between HNL and AKL was a -122 model.

2) UA's 2 B747-222B aircraft were in storage for a while, and have now been sold to NW for conversion to freighters.

3) The 747-238 fleet, originally built for Qantas and acquired second hand, will be retired by the end of the year (maybe a bit later); UA is terminating the leases on these aircraft early and paying a penalty to do so. Look for them to be converted to freighters. Look for lots of 777s in Hawaii in the near future.

4) It is impossible to tell the difference between a 747-100 and 747-200 externally. The 3 window upper deck was standard on the original -100, but the multi-window design associated with the -200 was also available as an option on the -100, and could also be retrofitted (expensive, but several airlines did it when lounges went out of style in the late 70s).

5) One additional trivia fact, 2 of UA's 747-400 are 747-451s, built for NW but bought by UA directly from Boeing when NW was having money problems and could not afford them.


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1346 times:

DutchJet,

Let me clarify.

United Ailrines is closing down United Cargo as of Febulary 14th 2001, there will be no replacement for the aging DC-10s on the cargo trips.

Actually you can tell the difference between a -100, an a -200. Its not all that hard. One is the length of the upper deck. The-100 has a very short one, and the -200 has a slightly longer one, also the -200s have an exit door on the upper deck on the left side as well as the right side. The -100s do not have this door on the left.

United does not operate anymore 747-451s. They did, but I believe that they were replaced with -422s.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1339 times:

Actually, ILUV767, Dutchjet was correct.

25 Dutchjet : Thanks flyf15.
26 The777Man : The DC-10-30s operated by United Cargo will be parked or returned to lessors after 24 Dec00. The 747-238Bs will have their last flight on 14 Dec 00 in
27 OO-AOG : iluv767, You are completly wrong, sorry. 1/ You have 747-200B with 3 windows and 747-100 with 8 windows. You have 747-100 with 2 upper deck exits and
28 ILUV767 : I wasnt sure about the NWA planes, I can tell you that when al lof the DC-10s leave, United will not be starting up UA Cargo with 747s. They are closi
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