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FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th  
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Posted (9 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 4567 times:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...a_near_crash_of_two_jets_at_logan/


Scary......
Thankfully they missed...
Mark Garfinkel

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User currently offlineHotelEchoFox From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Frightening.

Question: Are these near misses significantly less likely at airports where all runways are parallel (CDG, ATL, LAX, for instance)? ...or do the taxiways crossing these runways pose the same amount of threat? Is the level of incidence similar?

Thanks!

HEF


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 21 hours ago) and read 4461 times:

HotelEchoFox Good point.....
I think both sets of pilots were probably VERY upset at the tower.
By the way, Boston tower has some of the very best ATC and personnel. Very nice and very professional.
ISOLATED incident for sure.
Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4147 times:

retraining for some........

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...controllers_undergoing_retraining/


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

It wasn't a Near Miss. It was a Near Hit!


"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineAceMcCool99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

At first view, it would appear that there was a lack of coordination between the two controllers or a lack of adherence to procedures. Given that these are media reports, I will wait till an official report comes out. Reporters tend to over-sensationalize these things. Given the fact that the two controllers are back on check-out would indicate a good degree of credibility in these articles though.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3964 times:

Bad Error.
Lucky Both Aircraft were Ok.
Anyone having the CVR Transcripts.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineBayAreaPilot From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3869 times:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/GenPDF.asp?id=NYC05IA095B&rpt=p

User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

Quoting HotelEchoFox (Reply 1):
Question: Are these near misses significantly less likely at airports where all runways are parallel (CDG, ATL, LAX, for instance)? ...or do the taxiways crossing these runways pose the same amount of threat? Is the level of incidence similar?

Yes, it does play a factor when runways are crossing on the ground. But, it could just as well happen with parallel runways with arriving/departing aircraft (vertical separation must be established between DEPs [above] and ARRs [below] before they cross).



Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

The scary thing about this story is that this isn't a training issue or lack or training. This is just a person not paying attention to what they were doing and almost causing a major accident. Needless to say, I am very happy that there were no injuries as a result of this negligent act.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

If there had been a collision, would a controller be charged with a crime? In some countries they are.


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3679 times:

I'm sorry, but this is the Boston media 'making news' when nothing more substantive is there. They do it all the time. First the Boston Globe reported the story, and then the morning TV news programs jumped all over it with 'LIVE REPORTS!' from Logan...after concocting their 'news' based on what the Boston Globe came out with that day. Shameless hussies, that's what the TV media in Boston is. They would send a reporter to 'REPORT LIVE FROM THE SCENE!' of a cat up a tree if it meant they could sell more car commercials.

Chris in NH


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 11):
They would send a reporter to 'REPORT LIVE FROM THE SCENE!' of a cat up a tree if it meant they could sell more car commercials.

We interupt the 9th inning of game 7 of th World Series,

FLUFFY HAS FALLEN TO HER DEATH!!!



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3525 times:

ChrisNH....
You think this is a "stupid media story"? less than 200feet seperation between jets?
You are wrong...
Check out today's info...It came from The Associated Press and official sources...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...e_action_moments_before_near_miss/
NO CHRISNH...
This time the Boston media was right on.

Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

Good reaction by crew -- keeping the 737 nose down... they avoided another Tenerife!

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3454 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 13):

You think this is a "stupid media story"? less than 200feet seperation between jets?
You are wrong...

I agree... if a crew has to take evasive action (keeping the nose down in this case) to avoid a collission because of an ATC error... that's a story. How would you feel to be sitting on that 733 and see gear going by overhead at a level where you could probably see the tread in the tires??


User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4098 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

Yes, you're right...this is a pretty significant story given the circumstances. My rant was more at the media and how they package everything as 'BREAKING NEWS!' when it's hardly that. This, I agree, is a pretty big story. I paid attention to see if they (the media) described the aircraft properly. They seemed to have, as near as I can tell.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineJkudall From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3246 times:

Go to: http://www4.passur.com/bos.html

Select June 9th at 19:39. Wait a minute or so and you will see it for yourself.


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

JKudall
Passur (airport monitor) does not seem to come up Sad

Thanks
Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineBOS2LAF From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3051 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 4):
It wasn't a Near Miss. It was a Near Hit!

Hey now, make sure you give credit to George Carlin for that one, lest you end up like Mike Barnacle who plagiarized Carlin in his column in the Boston Globe.  duck 


User currently offlineHaveBlue From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2104 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Tappan it does work for me anyhow. Select June 9 19:39 as he says, and zoom it to the 4 mile view. At first you will just see an arriving plane from the bottom of the screen. Within a minute or so you will see the 2 departing green planes simultaneously.


Here Here for Severe Clear!
User currently offlineRob2507 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

Update on the story today:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...evented_jet_collision_report_says/

Looks like the U pilot saved the day.


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3301 posts, RR: 30
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 19):
Hey now, make sure you give credit to George Carlin for that one, lest you end up like Mike Barnacle who plagiarized Carlin in his column in the Boston Globe.

Just because he actually said it first doesn't mean I didn't think it first! Big grin



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
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