Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1938 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3415 times:
From what I remember, during the winter months, they flew many inter-Florida routes all through out the state. In the summer, like many of PBA's aircraft, they would be repositioned for New England/Northeast flying.
John From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 1374 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3374 times:
I also remember PBA flying a bunch of vintage DC-3s. For some reason though, I don't ever remember seeing a YS-11. I know they had a fairly large operation out of BOS, Cape Cod and the islands. I've also seen them at West Palm Beach operating Eastern Express flights in the late '80s.
3201 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3283 times:
I don't have the definitive answer, but I had a vague memory of number being six, and some random site I found listed six reg numbers (N159P, N187P, N219P, N259P, N273P, N924).
The people who have been posting trivia from OAG's from the early/mid 80s should be able to answer where they were scheduled for. I'm pretty sure TPA-APF was a big one (along with the DC3's and 404's), and probably MIA-APF as well. (I only know about the southern network.)
I definitely remember when PBA introduced their first Bandierantes (which was their first turbine power), big deal about "Prop-Jets" (I think) and flew them TPA-EYW. My wife flew a Cessna 402 MIA-APF (or possibly MIA-FMY, which they added at some point as well) as a kid and her brother got to sit in the seat next to the pilot. Loved watching (and listening to!) those DC3's and 404's flying slowly over my house in Tampa having departing 18L.
Knope2001 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2952 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3249 times:
PBA had at least six YS-11's, although the 1985 Airline Handbook says that they have six plus were selling three additional ones. That of course means nine total, but I don't recall it being that many.
PBA, especially in some of their tourist markets, was very much the type of airline that would roll out to suit the load. The 5:00pm from Boston to Hyannis might have bee scheduled as a Martin 404, but some lighter days they'd just roll out a DC3 or even a Cessna 402, and other heavy days they might have rolled out a DC3 or even a second 404 in addition to the scheduled 404. For this reason, and the fact that they probably had a lot of regular mx work on the old airframes, I think PBA always had a lot more aircraft that their scheduled line of flying would indicate. So they may have had more YS-11's that one might think seeing the schedule.
Later in their life I think this type of swap-as-you-go flying was far less, and probably never happened in their less-seasonal Florida markets like Pensacola-Tallahassee-Jacksonville. But it was a regular seasonal feature in New England and probably also happened in markets like Naples and Key West.
As for YS-11 markets, the OAGs I have from the period show YS-11's linking Miami to Key West, Fort Myers and Sarasota in early spring of 1983. In summer of 1983 I find the YS-11's doing all the flying between LaGuardia and Nantucket, Marthas vineyard, Hyannis and New Bedford.
Those LaGuardia flights benefited from not only the capacity, but the speed o fthe YS-11 as well. The Martin 404 was also sometimes used on those flights from the islands to NYC. It's only a 200 mile hop to Nantucket, but the Martin's scheduled time was very slow in comparison
By summer of 1986 the YS-11s were gone and PBA flew 404's to LGA. New York Air flew D9S, and so PBA was at a definite disadvantage time-wise.
If I find any other PBA YS-11 routes I'll post them.
As a side note, the only YS-11 operators in the United States I come up with are these: