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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13033 times:

I've seen talk on A.net before about airlines adopting gay rights policies, some after pressure from cities. I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what airlines have gay rights for employees, and what other gay issues are there with airlines.

Thanks.

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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

I am gay and I have had enough gay threads on A.net for a few days, please give us 2 days' peace before we all start getting flamed again by SFOM EX and AllstarFlyer


ALL airlines in the US pretty much have domestic partner health insurance and travel benefits.

This battle was fought in the early 90's. Delta sponsors NYC gay pride, London Gay pride and of course Atlanta Gay pride.

AA and UA very agressiviely market to the gay community.

We have nothing to worry about with the US based airlines.


User currently offlineTymnBalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12934 times:

I believe BA is/was a sponsor of the "Rainbow" card...a credit card (VISA or MC?) that was marketed to the gay population.

BA's sales team have presented to GLBT groups.

As an employer, BA offers same-sex couples staff travel benefits that are equal to opposite sex couples.

C.



Dewmanair...begins with Dew
User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12895 times:

Could'nt think of gay rights on airlines at least from where I come from (middle east).  Yeah sure


The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4757 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12798 times:

Ditto that for Asian based airlines.


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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 750 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12765 times:

I think United Airlines had encountered pressure from the city of San Fransisco on this issue - They had to give in for obvious reasons.

User currently offlineJrlander From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 1105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12752 times:

Hmmm...

I was just looking at OutTraveler magazine the other day and JAL had a huge ad on the back cover. So while Asian airlines may not adopting gay-friendly policies, they are aware of the economic power of the "Pink" dollar/Euro/Pound/etc.


User currently offlineSeven3Seven From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 318 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 12723 times:

I'm surprised SWA has any gay-friendly policies since we're a big Texas hometown airlines.

My partner gets full travel benefits, but only after a year, and then we have to pay taxes on passes. They're not free like a marital spouse.

My partner gets health coverage if we wanted it, but its more expensive than coverage for a spouse.

That's about it.



My views are mine alone and are not that of any of my fellow employees, officers, or directors at my company
User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11838 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 12656 times:

AA has traditionally been an extremely liberal company in terms of offering policies and benefits favorable to gay and lesbian employees and their life partners. AA has, however, encountered some resistance and pressure from traditionalist and religous groups because of this.

User currently offlineHa763 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 3666 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12488 times:
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Quoting Capt.Fantastic (Reply 5):
I think United Airlines had encountered pressure from the city of San Fransisco on this issue - They had to give in for obvious reasons.

All airlines serving SFO felt the same pressure. It was partly because of this the airline I used to work for started domestic partner benefits.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12461 times:

Concerning Air France, there is no differences between "straight" and "gay" couples, married or not, as soon as you are declared "official" couple to AF.
You get the same rights in terms of travel benefits, priority for boarding, holidays period together (when the two are working for AF), and for F.A/F.A or Pilot/Pilot or F.A/Pilot couples, one flight together per month is automatically scheduled if requested (some couples with children don't want to fly together, just in case...).


User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12392 times:

Well there are those airlines where matters if you have same-sex partners/husbands/wives. Then there are those airlines where it doesn't matter if you do. With the latter you can enjoy all the benefits that hetersexual couples would have.


Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1090 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 12273 times:

For SAS, your same-sex spouse has the same privilege as opposite-sex spouse.

Well, it's Scandinavian  Wink (just like the airlines slogan)!!



Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineCorsairF/a From France, joined Oct 2000, 373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 12177 times:

In France gay couple got the same privilege as the others, as There is a kind of legal union which exists here.

User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5132 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11579 times:

Air Canada too gives full rights to gay couples. And as gay marriage is legal in 8 out of 10 provinces, it soon becomes a moot point. (Our government is presently in debate over whether to make gay marriages legal across all provinces and territories).


Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 919 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11514 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 1):
I am gay and I have had enough gay threads on A.net for a few days, please give us 2 days' peace

Amen to that brother! I'm not gay and dont hate gays but all I keep seeing and reading about on A.net boards is Gay this & Gay that!!!! Jeeeeeeeeeez can we not have discussions about anything NOT Gay related?

We're gonna be referred to as Gayliners.net soon!  duck 

virgin744


User currently offlineSeptember11 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3623 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11431 times:

American Airlines is a huge supporter of gay rights. On AA's web site - they show it all:

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Diversity at AAAt American, we are committed to diversity. With diversity comes opportunities for success which is good for our employees, our customers, our communities, and ultimately our business.

We also do more than state our commitment to diversity. Our commitment is displayed in numerous ways and frequently sets the standard for other companies.

Our many achievements include:
Top Diversity employer
First major commercial airline to hire a female pilot
First U.S. airline to provide a Spanish and Portuguese language onboard magazine, "Nexos"
First airline to create a targeted sales team focused specifically on ethnic and GLBT markets
Award winning Diversified Supplier Program
Ongoing employee and company involvement in diverse community affairs and charitable organizations
14 Employee Resource Groups and Diversity Advisory Council -that take an active role in business solutions
Employee Resource Groups are an important part of AMR's efforts to foster an inclusive work environment. Through our Employee Resource Groups, we've created opportunities for employees to have a voice in business, support each other and share their unique perspectives, cultures and experiences with employees. We proudly support and encourage employee involvement in any of our Employee Resource Groups:
African-American Employee Resource Group
Asian Cultural Association
Caribbean Employees
Christian Resource Group
Employees with Disabilities
Gay, Lesbian, Transgender and Bisexual Employees
Indian Employees
Jewish Resource Group
Latin Employee Resource Group
Muslim Resource Group
Native American Employee Resource Group
Women in AAviation
Work and Family Balance
40 Plus/Senior Employees
Together, we create the team that delivers the best air travel service in the world. Our employees are proud to be American Airlines.

Just my  twocents 



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User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11270 times:

It would be nice if your committment also extended to those 99.99% of travellers that aren't gay !


I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
User currently offlinePatrickj From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
It would be nice if your commitment also extended to those 99.99% of travelers that aren't gay !

Thank You for saying it.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 8):
AA has, however, encountered some resistance and pressure from traditionalist and religous groups because of this.

Typical of the hypocrisy in today's environment. I must accept liberal views and policies but they do not want to allow me my conservative views. I personally have no ax to grind with anyone over any lifestyle, but that is not true of those who want to shove their values at others.

Why are we even talking about this?

Last time I checked airplanes and airlines were neither straight or gay.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11010 times:

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 10):
Concerning Air France, there is no differences between "straight" and "gay" couples, married or not, as soon as you are declared "official" couple to AF.
You get the same rights in terms of travel benefits, priority for boarding, holidays period together (when the two are working for AF), and for F.A/F.A or Pilot/Pilot or F.A/Pilot couples, one flight together per month is automatically scheduled if requested (some couples with children don't want to fly together, just in case...).

SAME POLICY AT EL AL.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10928 times:

Quoting Seven3Seven (Reply 7):
I'm surprised SWA has any gay-friendly policies

There is no reason to be surprised that WN has the policies they do. They maybe based in Texas, but they were started and are still run by rather leftist lawyers



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User currently offlineMUCflieger From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10897 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
Ditto that for Asian based airlines.

Thai Airways was running an ad in a german gay magazin:

http://www.sergej-magazin.de/uploads/pdf/1112777884.pdf

It can be seen on the very last page!


User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 10847 times:

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 17):
to those 99.99% of travellers that aren't gay !

I don't mean to get political, but check your statistics.


User currently offline1rocco From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

I for one have to applaud the airlines in the efforts they have made to accommodate gays and lesbians. The problem lies in the fact that we cannot marry and the fact the heterosexual couples can. I would be perfectly fine with airlines requiring homosexual couples to be married to receive benefits if it were legal. Most airlines have guidelines in place ie...joint Checking/savings, life insurance beneficiary, and have been together a certain length of time. So its not like you can put down the partner you just met this weekend at the local pride festival. I think this is a good thing.

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 10714 times:

Quoting CHI787ORD (Reply 22):
I don't mean to get political, but check your statistics.

Stats of 'gay' people, or as I said, 'gay travellers' ??

Not that easy to know how many gay people actually travel!

OK...so 97%, 99%, you get my point


Jimbo



I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
25 CalAir : Well, im gay and as long as my company treated my partner the same as if I was straight, ie even if they didn't recognise non married couples, even st
26 Post contains images ORDagent : Regardless of your view on gay rights the airlines (and most other companies) have domestic partner benefits etc for one simple reason alone: CASH. Do
27 L.1011 : They do... Airplanes and airlines do not have a sexual orientation. Their employees and customers do. Because the plane and the airline doesn't do mu
28 Slider : CO allows a "registered travel companion" as an alternative for spouse.
29 Windshear : 1MillionFlye you of all people should know that on the net we have a right to post and discuss what we would like... In this forum it has to be aviati
30 2H4 : That's not the issue here, 9844. Here...I'll refresh your memory: Care to contribute? 2H4
31 RyanAFAMSP : Domestic Partner Benefits came to the airlines on July 31st, 1999, when United Airlines capitulated to a broad grassroots campaign pressuring it to dr
32 PRAirbus : AA has an open mind towards gay rights, benefits, etc. The work environment is very open and diverse. They also have a program called "GLEAM" for empl
33 FlyAUA : I guess the G is for Gay and the L is for Lesbian... what about the rest?
34 Tarheel : It seems you reveal some prejudice in using the phrase "give in" rather than accepting that it was the fair thing to do.[Edited 2005-06-27 18:30:55]
35 Post contains links EDDM : According to their homepage, it seems to stand for "Gay, Lesbian, bisexual and transgendered Employees of AMR."
36 Skymileman : Although I myself am not gay, after reading this post, I am really pretty proud to hear that our own US air carriers do such a good job providing for
37 Post contains images FlySSC : Guys, don't waste your time to answer "9844" whether being Gay is right or wrong First, it doesn't worth it. Second, this is not the purpose of this f
38 Asteriskceo : B6 is very gay-friendly, they connect all the gay areas: bay area, socal, nyc, south floridaMaybe mr. Neeleman is. :-pI've never seen more gays on any
39 LY4XELD : GLEAM stands for Gay, Lesbian (Bisexual and Transgendered) Employees of AMR. It's been around for 10 years! A sidenote about AA - The rainbow flag is
40 Lufthansa : Okay Bondie, you're way out of range. General population wise, 10% is considered the rule of thumb, however there has been some debate this may be hi
41 Psa53 : I agree with you FlySSC.Over the past week,on the non-aviation forum,gay issues came up just to often. I don't care if your straight or gay. If you wa
42 BigGSFO : It's an undisputed fact that as a whole gays and lesbians have higher disposible incomes (of course exceptions to the rule, but I am speaking in broad
43 Johnboy : I am very pleased that the airline industry is leading the way on this, and really haven't had ANY time for Christians to argue against it. As far as
44 BigGSFO : Amen, brother.
45 Post contains images Bond007 : Oh, give me a break! Sorry, I didn't include the male flight attendants 20% of business cabins aren't filled by gay people .... you're living in a dr
46 Psa53 : Johnboy- If you wish to take this issue to the non-aviation forum,please do so.This is not the place to discuss this. Thanks
47 Bond007 : Quite valid actually! Jimbo
48 JpetekYXMD80 : Huge investments? Thats odd when you think its such a small percentage. Its doing the just and right thing, buddy. Apparently that doesnt matter to y
49 Xpat : Now, THAT is cool!
50 Bond007 : No, that's exactly my point. I said it was big investments for a small percentage of the travelling public. Minorities now seem to be getting prefere
51 JpetekYXMD80 : Prefferential treatment when this thread is about EQUAL rights. WAKE UP!
52 1MillionFlyer : This is why my post number 2 said "here we go again". Ok back to airlines, this is pure business. It might cost 1/2% of revenue that is not huge to pr
53 Post contains images Bond007 : You got it ...except for the 'WAKE UP!'. EQUAL rights .... don't spend 30% of my money on 5% of the travellers. Doesn't matter whether they are young
54 Kdeg00 : So marketing to a target group is "special treatment"? By any review of census data, Gay and lesbian couples have more disposable income than do aver
55 BigGSFO : This is not about preferential treatment, this is about money. Companies are needing to find ways to better invest marketing dollars and niche marketi
56 JpetekYXMD80 : Its about the EMPLOYEES mostly. And if you haven't noticed, there is a disproportional amount of gay airline employees apart from the general populat
57 B707Stu : I can't help but wonder if you would have the same reaction to a thread from someone (sexuality unidentified) that asked which airline is best to wor
58 Travelin man : AA is by far the most visible airline that I've seen here in Los Angeles in terms of sponsoring gay-related events. They sponsored the GLAAD media awa
59 MissedApproach : I don't believe "rule of thumb" is a statistical term. A survey just prior to the federal election here (2004) revealed only 2-3% of respondents cons
60 Caspian27 : What my personal opinion is on homo-sexuality is irrelevant to this forum. I find it interesting that the above response was in effect censored. The g
61 Jmc1975 : Mr. Neeleman is a devout Mormon, perhaps the most despised religion of the gay community.
62 Patrickj : We're not talking about customers here, if you buy you're ticket your entitled to be treated the same as any other customer. As for employees if you'
63 Psa53 : Right on! Well said!And that's the problem.People feel that gay political issues are are being forced upon them. And media and Hollywood censorship i
64 PA110 : There seems to be a disproportionate number of gay employees in the travel industry, at least in the United States. Seeing that other topics on A.net
65 Boeingrulz : Your compensation is not limited to your hourly pay or monthly salary. Benefits make up a consideral portion of a person's compensation package and t
66 SFOerik : YAWN... I am so tired of hearing the nagging... get on with your lives already! els ps - and I am gay so I can say it!
67 Chgoflyer : oh how boring.. this thread is telling just how many boys work for the airlines!
68 Pflueeb : I think everyone should be gay.
69 Post contains images Jmc1975 : So in essence, you're saying intolerance is OK as long as it works in your favor.....hypocrite.
70 Post contains images Jmc1975 : If that were the case, what would the future hold for generations to come?
71 Patrickj : Yes, I work hard to stay constant in my treatment of everyone, even bigots and those who would deny me my rights to my beliefs.
72 Patrickj : This is the exact attitude that infuriates me and as a conservative it could be said that intolerance of this view point is not wrong in and of itsel
73 Flybyguy : Unfortunately that is life... I would hope that you attain equal rights, but that cannot be done through a corporation. As far as the corporation is
74 Post contains images N754PR : When is the Gay forum going to be started..... this is a forum for planes not what Gay people have or dont have.... Male or Female is a condition, Gay
75 Chgoflyer : Did I tell you all how wonderful the GWB inauguration was.. UA did such a great job getting us there on time.
76 KrisYYZ : I believe that was the same survey that projected a Conservative majority government. Numerous scientific Studies have shown that about 10% of the wo
77 Chgoflyer : I think discrimination against airline passengers is valid in this forum.. what ever happened to that UA f/a who announced what we all knew that pass
78 Jrlander : OK--- amazing how any forum on this issue turns into this.... Well- here's one for you all. I am a Medallion Flyer with Delta, my partner is an employ
79 1MillionFlyer : Thanks Jrlander, I tried to stop the madness on the very first reply. Enough already!
80 B707Stu : Let me try to speak your language. I pay the maximum in taxes. I pay for spousal social security enhancements for widows yet am not entitled to a dim
81 Christao17 : All of which seems to make the point that regardless of religious affiliation of the CEO, companies that make an effort to make all people (customers
82 B707Stu : Ummm, is that the religion that advocates multi-wives? Ok... I think what's being sort is for this to not be an issue but making things equal, not be
83 Chgoflyer : So I guess you know the old joke... "why arent episcopals good chess players? they just cant tell the difference between a bishop and a queen!"
84 Post contains images BOS2LAF : Back to lighter topics... Dont forget BOS pride... DL and Song had a big booth there, giving away various prizes for spinning a wheel. they had a Mini
85 Pflueeb : what's there to be proud of? I don't get it. Sorry.
86 FlySSC : 9844 wrote in its reply # 25 : "Sexually deviant behaviour. Gay is wrong" I suggested deletion. Caspian27 (and other), your say : Let people have thei
87 Post contains links Yulguy : Air Canada is very progressive and deserves some credit for their pub that appeared in various magazines. They've sponsored the major Gay Pride festiv
88 Post contains links FlySSC : There is an Official association of AF's gay Staff called Personn'ailes http://www.personnailes.asso.fr
89 PA110 : Yes, you do have a right to your personal beliefs. However there is a huge difference in holding beliefs and acting upon them. The difference between
90 N200WN : What else should I be All apologies What else should I say Everyone is gay - Nirvana
91 Lehpron : It's called Business 101, in it you'll hear about something called 80/20, where 80% of the revenue comes from 20% of the customers. For some airlines
92 Patrickj : As with most who want to push their own agenda you have masked the issue with another totally non related issue, the divorce rate. We'll never see ey
93 LH477 : Well put....I wish more people could understand this simple logic....
94 TimRees : God help us...who is this guy? 'Normal people'. Totally insulting to think that gay people aren't normal. As a doctor I deal with many predjudices of
95 Cxsjr : So, if you see something with 'gay' in the title, just ignore it, or perhaps you're just 'curious' as to what's going on? Otherwise, perhaps you sugg
96 Cxsjr : ... maybe not, only between married and unmarried couples. In passenger terms, you only get combined baggage allowance if you have the same surname.
97 Post contains images Bond007 : Wow, that's my freedom of speech, just like those who spout about their gay issues. We can say what we like as long as it doesn't offend YOU right. .
98 Caspian27 : Exactly the point I was trying to make FlySSC. This is definitely not the proper forum for arguments of this type. Exactly! Well put Patrickj. People
99 Post contains images Starlionblue : What if you were married in a State that allowed same sex unions? The 380 looks pretty gay to me
100 Post contains images BigGSFO : Actually I always thought the Concorde was the gayest bird up there. Toned, sleek, glamourous...and that nose! (OK so that was being sarcastic in an a
101 JpetekYXMD80 : Wow, guess that point flew right over your head. You bring up a freedom of speech argument when that has nothing to do with anything. How did you Tim
102 Post contains images Cxsjr : Just a thought, when I'm on my hol's, I often find that when people find out or 'suss' that you me and my partner are gay (and not just friends), 99.9
103 JpetekYXMD80 : I learned awhile back that there is no such thing as a normal person. It's a lesson I can only hope you will get one day. There are normal characteri
104 Patrickj : "To equate homosexuality with race is to give a death sentence to civil rights. No one is enslaving homosexuals . . . or making them sit in the back o
105 Psa53 : That's wonderful! Why don't you just say I'm a paranoiac religious extremist fanatic.Gee-whiz.As I told a gay friend,I have serious reservations abou
106 B707Stu : That's exercising one's first amendment rights.
107 MD-90 : The LDS Church no longer endorses polygyny, although there are splinter Mormon groups that do.
108 Post contains images Kevi747 : Yes, because conservatives are such a powerless, ignored minority in todays political world ......please. A lot of us. We have more money to spend th
109 ToTheStars : I guess torturing someone and leaving them to die tied to a fence because they're gay is not discrimination?
110 Patrickj : Thanks for your support!!!! You don't need to go to church to find God, He is everywhere.
111 Psa53 : ToTheStars-reply116 I did NOT make that statement!Get it right,please. I stand by what other things I have said.[Edited 2005-06-29 19:24:41] ToTheStar
112 BigGSFO : Just in case anybody is wondering about the numbers: $610 Billion (with a b) - buying power of the GLBT community in America Approx. 20 million - pop
113 ToTheStars : My Bad.
114 Patrickj : Psa53 did not make that statement, I inserted it as a quote from a civil rights leader. Psa53 did not quote it nor comment about it one way or the oth
115 Kevi747 : Clearly you don't need my support: you people rule the world. That's why its so funny how paranoid and self-pitying you all are. That's right. I can'
116 Patrickj : As opposed to how narcissistic and hypocritical folks like you can be?
117 Kevi747 : OK, you're losing me now. Are you just throwing out random insulting adjectives or what? Since you know "folks like me" so well, how do either of tho
118 Bond007 : Actually that's a myth and isn't reflected in recent studies. As a gay male, your average earnings are quite a bit less than the average straight mal
119 FlapsDown20 : Bottom line. You're surrounded! Get over it!
120 Pixuk : Note the double standards here. The Gay Community are a fair target, but attacking religious belief is Blasphemy. Several European countries and US s
121 Post contains images Kevi747 : So, like a said, we have more money to spend. Wow, but you've really done your gay homework. I haven't. All I know is what I've experienced from my l
122 Post contains images Jmc1975 : Why don't you all just go embrace your purple tele-tubbies and get this thread over with!
123 Bond007 : Oooh, don't associate me with this whole God thing. I agree that one community shouldn't have priviliged protection. Not a double standard from me! L
124 PA110 : Dude, sorry but you're an idiot. I didn't choose to be gay. As much as I love being one of the FAAAAABULOUS FEW - why on earth would anyone choose to
125 Post contains images Kevi747 : Obviously we're not having any kind of discussion here, because you seem more interested in being nasty than being intelligent, but the point was tha
126 Bond007 : My point was that the reasons you gave for all that disposable income, had absolutely nothing to do with the fact you are a single gay male! You didn
127 Post contains images Kevi747 : In a way your right, all of those things I spoke of could happen to a straight person. But you have to take into account that I haven't got any finan
128 Lufthansa : bond007, my deer bondie..... I hope response has proven something to you. did you notice just what a high percentage of a.net appears to be gay or, in
129 Post contains images Bond007 : Like I said, you're living in a dreamworld. Most people in the first class cabin are frequent flyer upgrades and travelling on business. Their persona
130 Jamake1 : For the record, for those of you who imply the that there is a gay agenda, there is. But it's not what you think. The agenda is to secure the SAME rig
131 Lufthansa : Dreamworld? I only wish. Business travellers yes, absolutely. After all, there are plenty of them just like me who did 7 years at university in order
132 Bond007 : Well I've already quoted a study that proves the income difference is very slight...and in fact for gay men alone, the average salary is anything up
133 Post contains links BoeingBus : Yes. just google it... and you will find that: http://www.wildemarketing.com/pink_dollars.html Recent U.S. research has demonstrated: * 84% of gays a
134 Rlwynn : When I was a kid our pastor said that being homosexual was Gods way of keeping deviants from propagating.
135 Swisswings : Geezzzz.......Unbelievable how many messages are posted on this topic. Airliners.net is about aviation and all topics related to it should be allowed
136 Post contains images SteveSWA737 : This original post was a question about which airlines have gay rights for employees. Here's a crazy idea! Why not answer this specific question inst
137 Cxsjr : Here here!! ..... but if I did have to choose, I'd pick the same again!!! To all you doubters out there, don't knock it 'til you've tried it!!!
138 Bridogger6 : No offense, but I think you just totally messed up the point that PA110 was trying to make. If you want to say it's not a choice, which I believe, th
139 B707Stu : Me too...
140 1MillionFlyer : You have no idea what you are talking about. Does it rain in your world? Enjoy your ban [Edited 2005-07-01 14:12:36][Edited 2005-07-01 14:13:53]
141 1MillionFlyer : Well goog thing my Gay household is several hundred percent above the national median. I am out at work as is my partner, we both make well about the
142 Jonty : Well I didn't even think there was an issue about gay people on planes. Why do airlines even care, or know for that matter. But maybe England isn't as
143 Post contains images Starlionblue : If you can make more money that way... Isn't it enough reason? Hilarious logic. He must be loving it nowadays with surrogates and all that... Oh and
144 Patrickj : In addition to gay marriage rights, Massachusetts also keeps electing Ted Kennedy and John Kerry to the Senate, further proof that they are of sound
145 Pressclub : Delta Airlines does not accept your same sex partner if you ask for ID tickets ... I experienced recently, their ID travel police stipulates that your
146 Mikefad : I used to get slightly perturbed that my live-in girlfriend was ineligible for insurance coverage w/ the co. I work for. If I was gay, then my 'domest
147 Patrickj : Mikefad, Well put and true, you have articulated it better than anyone else here. Thank You
148 Post contains images Starlionblue : If a person doesn't believe in God (which I don't) homosexuality is not a sin. And in any case this argument is rather weak IMHO. There is no evidenc
149 BoeingBus : Mikefad, just remember that your bible also says that you are living in sin by having a live-in girlfriend that is no-no too. So according to the Bibl
150 Starlionblue : While I am not Christian, I find myself agreeing with you on a lot of this. As you say, humans are flawed. The whole part about "he who is without si
151 Mikefad : That is why I said:
152 Mikefad : I do believe this reaffirms a point I ALREADY MADE:
153 Mikefad : Do you mean "evolved" as being translated to different langauages? How exactly has the Bible evolved? This I will have to disagree with. I don't know
154 Patrickj : The Bible only makes two distinctions; those who are sinners and repent to God and receive salvation, and those who are sinners and do not repent. We
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