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Plane With Knife On Board Returns To Airport  
User currently offlineCORULEZ05 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4113 times:

The flight, AA110, was enroute from Chicago to Rome when a passenger found a knife in an AIRLINE PROVIDED PACKAGE containing a pillow and blanket. Pretty scary eh??? The plane returned to ORD and had to stay over night due to crew restrictions. I don't know but this is very very strange. I mean, how does a knife get into a package where it shouldn't be? Employee perhaps PURPOSELY put it there? Perhaps it was put there by mistake during the packaging process. It doesn't clearly state if it was a real knife or a plastic knife. However, my first thought when I read this was someone planting a potential weapon for someone else to use while the plane was in flight...ie not have to worry about getting the weapon through security. Good explanation or perhaps I have watched too many movies????? lol. What are YOUR thoughts?

Source:
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...629.htm&sc=1110&ewp=ewp_news_plane

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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Why on earth did it return to ORD? Surely they could have isolated the knife and carried on as normal? Were the crew paranoid that they'd find other knives? "Security reasons" is a phrase that's too vague and way over-used.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 1):
paranoid

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possibly NOT really "paranoid" but getting excitedly into a kind of "alert pink" mood !� they for sure feared that there might be a dozen such hidden knifes on board


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

I think they probably suspected that there may be more Knives & the User could be on board.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Today a knife made an airline return it's plane to the airport and cancel the flight!!! Tomorrow it will be a fork!! Then one day it will be a toothpick!!!

Sorry for the sarcasm but I am starting to feel that anything now can cause a plane to divert or cancel it's flight!!!


User currently offlineGofly From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 1727 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3687 times:
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Quote:
because a passenger found a small knife on board, an airline spokeswoman said Sunday.

Though it says small, it doesn't give any specific details regarding the knife.

If I had been on that flight, and a knife was found on board, I would want it to return. However small. As said above, there could have been more in the cabin.

It is always better to be safe than sorry.

Surly knifes are kept no where near where the pillows and blankets are packaged up, are they? (Excuse my ignorance Big grin)

Thanks,
-Gofly



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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Since AA lost 2 planes on September 11, 2001, and with the circumstances related to those losses, I can't say I blame the crew for turning around. I think I would have too.

I would be very interested in knowing exactly how the knives got onboard.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Quoting Gofly (Reply 5):
a knife was found on board

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OK, you of course can argue that if ONE such item is found the whole plane is NOT secure. And that not much is clear from the information shown.


User currently offlineAMSSpotter From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 271 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3579 times:

Well, you wouldn't really expect to find a knife in a package that's supposed to contain a blanket and pillow. It may just be a mistake but it could also mean that someone really did have bad intentions. I think thy made the right decision. More weapons could have been hidden in other places.

User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3560 times:

As a flight attendant I have found two knifes on board my flights in the past both times I caught the passenger using it. Once from SFO-MDW I caught a Russian Orthodox Preist using a pocket knife to cut an apple I took the knife then later caught him drinking his own beer. The police had a chat with him when we landed. Then I caught a passenger with a large steak knife cut something up onboard while we were on the way to hawaii. Both times we did not turn around. Just took the knife and isolated them. Needless to say we filed a report about the incompitence of the good ole TSA!

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 9):
As a flight attendant I have found two knifes on board my flights in the past both times I caught the passenger using it. Once from SFO-MDW I caught a Russian Orthodox Preist using a pocket knife to cut an apple I took the knife then later caught him drinking his own beer. The police had a chat with him when we landed. Then I caught a passenger with a large steak knife cut something up onboard while we were on the way to hawaii. Both times we did not turn around. Just took the knife and isolated them. Needless to say we filed a report about the incompitence of the good ole TSA!

are you an F/A for TZ? I've flown SFO-MDW-SFO a few times....good service .... yes 



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User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3479 times:

So what are the chances of the pillow packer planting a knife in a pillow set and boarding the flight that those pillows are destined for? Surely they pack X times many pillows a day, pack them in containers, then those containers get picked as-and-when needed? It's not exactly like catering, is it?

Perhaps it was a small penknife used by one of the packers to open bags or cut straps, something like that. Oops, dropped my knife, now where has it gone?

I understand what is meant by "the whole plane is now insecure" - but if that really was the case (and bearing in mind we're looking at second hand facts in the cold light of day) then surely plenty of other flights would be diverted/RTB immediately? What if that Russian Priest had several companions with him, all with knives? The crew didn't know then did they? Or did they frisk every passenger?

Good points made by all but still an over-reaction IMHO.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3418 times:

Maybe it's a North American thing. Here's an example of how we'd respond to another situation.

A shop owner finds what appears to be a pipe bomb on a shelf. The police, fire department, EMS department, bomb squad, and public works department respond. A perimeter is established 100 meters in all directions and everyone is evacuated. The area is searched for additional devices. None are found. The pipe bomb is examined and, if real, defused and removed. The police perform an investigation. When they are done, people are allowed back into the area.

It's far better to err on the side of safety than to try to explain a major f*ck up later.

Mark


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 11):
What if that Russian Priest had several companions with him, all with knives?

In our case what we did was find out who he was travelng with. He stuck out during boarding I remembered so we noticed who he was with and then noted it. We also looked at the paper work it shows connection cities and who is connecting he was connecting and so was his companion who was not seated with him. When I took the knife and secured it I then went to the cockpit to speak with the captain. We discussed it and came to the conclusion that he probably wasn't a threat just a little wierd. We continued to monitor the situation and later caught him drinking which by that time we were about 45 min from Chicago and made the choice to have the police meet the aircraft and search him further and question him.


User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 11):
Or did they frisk every passenger?

or did they "risk" every passenger?> the real question.

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 9):
Needless to say we filed a report about the incompitence of the good ole TSA!

Geez I'm so sick of the TSA bashing here, no body is perfect! and not everything will be found/caught!! and when I worked for TSA I met alot of F/A's and for some of them to complain of incompetence, calls the pot to the kettle, hey you're black!

Quoting Contrails (Reply 6):
Since AA lost 2 planes on September 11, 2001, and with the circumstances related to those losses

the losses I would hope would be crew and pax first and foremost.

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 11):
So what are the chances of the pillow packer planting a knife in a pillow set and boarding the flight that those pillows are destined for? Surely they pack X times many pillows a day, pack them in containers, then those containers get picked as-and-when needed? It's not exactly like catering, is it?

where there is a will there is a way right? Im not sure how the pillow packing stuff goes, but as for catering, it's appalling how easy it could be for something to go wrong, even accidentally or purposely. and frustrating too.

Tchau
DA-



They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 14):
Geez I'm so sick of the TSA bashing here, no body is perfect! and not everything will be found/caught!! and when I worked for TSA I met alot of F/A's and for some of them to complain of incompetence, calls the pot to the kettle, hey you're black!

Its just interesting you have all these people working the machines and here things still slip through. Not really going after the TSA to much I know they have there bad apples like airlines do with F/A's. Hey I like the TSA after 3 years I finally got my new laptop out of them for dropping mine in SEA.


User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3097 times:

Quoting Tundra767 (Reply 15):
Its just interesting you have all these people working the machines and here things still slip through. Not really going after the TSA to much I know they have there bad apples like airlines do with F/A's. Hey I like the TSA after 3 years I finally got my new laptop out of them for dropping mine in SEA.

Things will always get through that shouldn't. for many reasons, we all know nothing is 100% foolproof.
You bet they have thier fair share of bad apples. but like the rest of the population, it's the bad ones that leave the lasting impression and stand out in our memories more than the good ones.
Three years to get a new laptop from the Gov't, I think you are ahead lol, it is the Feds you know! Slow as Johhny in a walker after his Johnny Walker lol.
Tchau
DA-



They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
User currently offlinePipoA380 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1594 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3077 times:
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For me, that's complete paranoia. A knife! Get it in the cockpit and there you go! Locked and secure!

Cheers, Philippe



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User currently offlineCVG2LGA From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3000 times:

yea I'm not sure what kind of aircraft it was, probably a heavy since it was going to Rome. But I've been in the cockpit of 763's and 764's and even 777's. Maybe I didn't see them, but I don't think there are enough jumpseats for everyone aboard in the cockpit. Was the entire crew supposed to lock themselves into the cockpit? Or just the pilots since they are the only ones who need to be kept alive since they can land the plane. The entire cabin couldn't fit in there. You know that if you were on that plane, and they had isolated the knife mentioned, and some other people found some knives and started slashing pax as a coordinated effort, you'd probably be the first to file a lawsuit!! If you didn't get cut too badly that is.
"Oh the (*substitute) stupidity"
DA-


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They don't call em' emergencies anymore. They call em' Patronies.
User currently offlineKilavoud From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

If it were a knife with a plane on board, I really would have been surprised !

But a plane with a knife on board, really nothing to worry ! Quite normal nowadays !!

Cheers. Kilavoud.


User currently offlineTundra767 From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2005, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

Quoting CVG2LGA (Reply 16):
Things will always get through that shouldn't. for many reasons, we all know nothing is 100% foolproof.
You bet they have thier fair share of bad apples. but like the rest of the population, it's the bad ones that leave the lasting impression and stand out in our memories more than the good ones.
Three years to get a new laptop from the Gov't, I think you are ahead lol, it is the Feds you know! Slow as Johhny in a walker after his Johnny Walker lol.
Tchau
DA-

Yeah you got that right! LOL!


As far as putting the knife in the flight deck. That would have been a good idea. My companies policy was a little different as were are to lock it some place else in the cabin. I remember in secruity trainign they were showing us a video about the AA flight from CDG and how they put the shoe in the cockpit and we were told this was a major mistake. I can see why. Interesting none the less that they would turn a plane around for it. I am just curious what kind of a knife it was.


User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 564 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

The point is not that there was a knife on an airplane, but more that a knife was on an airplane in a place it shouldn't have been.

Knifes are expected in the galley, on a meal tray, etc. But to find one tucked between a pillow and blanket, wrapped in plastic, is another thing all together.

I would have landed immediately!

Jack



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