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Will "the New Pan Am" Make It?  
User currently offlineCharterFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Hi,

I want to know your opinion concerning the new Pan Am. Will they fail again (for the third time (!!)) I'm wondering...

I've seen their website. It's totally outdated and the picture of the famous Clipper Class let me a bit cold (seats look so hard and uncomfortable!). But, there is more than the basic presentation of their website that makes me wonder: in fact, I don't really see why someone could want to fly them. Is their something beyond their popular name and logo? I mean, their planes are not so recent, their destinations are not really attractive (at least for me!), you can't book flights for all of their destinations online, their marketing strategies seem to be weak, etc.

I may be wrong, but I don't see any significant future for them. But that's just my opinion  

Regards,

CharterFlyer

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User currently offlineRominato From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 268 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Hang in there... I had been told that we can expect a new website from them within the next couple weeks. The reason the other one is so outdated is because they've focused their attention to building a new one. Hopefully it will better reflect the airline and what they hope to accomplish.

Keep checking back...


User currently offlineCoex From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

I only hope that Pan Am won't go the way the many Braniffs went.......... Not to bright of a future........ Airlines such as the original Pan Am, the original Braniff should never had ever shut down in the first place...... Good luck to Pan Am......... I hope they do succeed.....

User currently offlineUSAirways737 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Has anyone noticed one of the pictures of the 727s on their website is a model airplane ?

User currently offlineMEA-707 From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4342 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

I actually like their marketing strategy.... they offer cheap tariffs, full service (meals) between under-utilized airports within driving distance of Boston, Chicago and Orlando and other places. And the 727 is a classic... I'd certainly like to fly them once.


nobody has ever died from hard work, but why take the risk?
User currently offlinePanamfanatic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

I live about 10 minutes from Sanford, and every time i visit, their planes are 100% full of passengers, one pilot told me that he had only seen five seats unfilled on any flight. It is really surprising how their loads are!

User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Sometimes flying from secondry airports can be very profitable, vastly lower landing fees, little if any direct competition, slots at peak times and you can combine that last point with no delays and shorter checkin times, convenient and cheap car parking all of which help to attract customers. Plus they offer something a bit different (36 inch pitch, coffee at check in, hot towels etc) which would help to entice people to their airports over main ones.

I think they'll have to improve their advertising, the web page is pretty typical, for example their timetable is quite obviously done by MicrosoftWord, I'm not kidding. Their staff seem nice though and enthusiastic.

Also although the 727's are classic, the fuel situation must really be hitting them hard, although newer planes probably wouldn't save that mch because of higher rentals, I wouldn't be investing much in the 727's because surely they've got to be nearing retirement.

I think they know the area they fly in very well and as a local airline they'll do well. Plus they were doing very well with charters, which if they ever wanted to expand internationally with the name would serve them well in the trans atlantic market. I get the impression those who run it are real "fans" of the old classic clippers, I just can't see this airline becoming anything more than a regional, which really is so sad.


User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

I hope that Pan Am will get more money soon so that they can have international service such as points in the Carribean and Canada. As well as newr planes, Judging by the airline flying to smaller airports I think that the 717-200 or the 757-200 would look good with the Billboard and the classic blue globe. I like the 727-200 but it's long in the tooth and nails.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineRominato From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 268 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2311 times:


VirginA340 wrote:
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I hope that Pan Am will get more money soon so that they can have international service such as points in the Carribean and Canada. As well as newr planes, Judging by the airline flying to smaller airports I think that the 717-200 or the 757-200 would look good with the Billboard and the classic blue globe. I like the 727-200 but it's long in the tooth and nails.


I'd love to see it too, but I wouldn't hold my breath on it yet.... I agree about the 717 though. I think it would be a smart move when they get to the point where they have money to afford such an order. As long as they keep filling their 727's, who knows? Maybe it'll happen after all.


User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2296 times:

Guildford Transportation (NE Rail Company) seems to be bank rolling the show and aren't short of cash. I guess with deep pocketed owners they have got a better chance than most. Lets hope so! I agree Clipper 757's or 717's would be great to see, plus 757's could take them Long Haul!

User currently offlineRominato From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 268 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2296 times:



Ryanair wrote:
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Guildford Transportation (NE Rail Company) seems to be bank rolling the show and aren't short of cash. I guess with deep pocketed owners they have got a better chance than most. Lets hope so! I agree Clipper 757's or 717's would be great to see, plus 757's could take them Long Haul!

Thanks for the note. I was unaware of the ownership group and their financial position. Hopefully they decide to ante up the funds to get a serious marketing campaign going. Visibility is everything. They need to establish an image, and the people will follow eventually. I had been told to look for a new, updated website from Pan Am within the next two weeks. Keep your eyes open!


User currently offlineRyanair From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 654 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2288 times:

Hello again Rominato, the ownership thing, I believe they're owned by the same people as Guildford but there's no formal link in terms of ownership with Guildford as such (although that's where the monies coming from!) although the planes are owned by Guildford and nominally leased to Pan Am. It's an odd set up but I guess the idea's if PA went under it would leave the rail group intact.

I agree with you on the marketing, my experience is PA is very good when you approach it, but unless your interested already, their promotion wouldn't make you want to do that. Having said that looking at their schedule it's designed around very specific markets like Portsmouth-Pittsburg (not Pittsburg-Portsmouth!) day return business travellers, so I suppose if the people who are likily to do that all know nobody else needs to at the moment. I think they're trying to be a niche airline for now, rather than going in all guns blazing like Shugrue did and blowing tens of millions in the process. That still doesn't excuse shabby image, but lets wait on the new site to see what that brings, I await your views! Bye for now.


User currently offlineTifosi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

I have a great deal of interest in this carrier because my family's summer home is 15min away from PSM in Maine. If they could bring service to Wash or Balto, it would be great. We have SWA and MetroJet from BWI to MHT but Pease would be ideal.

User currently offlineDeltaMan From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

    Since when does the 727 have winglets?    

User currently offlineBoeing 707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2262 times:

Hello DeltaMan,

Check the Quietwing web site to have some more information about the 727's winglets.

www.quietwing.com

Regards,

Boeing 707


User currently offlineVarsity From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 250 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

I bet you will see them with B737-300/400's and maybe eventually B757-200's. US Airways is planning to dump an awful lot of Boeings with life left in them on the market as they begin getting their A319's & A320's.

Given their cautious growth plans and conservative financial stance, I would see them buying additional (but newer) used a/c before they start ordering new.


User currently offlineB777-200LR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (14 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2215 times:

Well. i do hope the New Pan Am will make it . It will be difficult for them initially but i think they will make it through . Who knows in 10 years time , they might be doing very well . So all the best to Pan-Am and lastly , their Boeing 727-200A with winglets look very impressive .

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