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User currently offlineFlyinTLow From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 519 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

since there are just thousands of questions out there in this forum right now as we speak, i thought it might be a good idea to collect them in here and get the answers on this widely unknown topic together in one place. I have two questions about ETOPS:

- Do ETOPS only apply to passenger jets, or do they also apply to cargo airplanes? And what about the business jets crossing the atlantic/pacific?

- LH, BA, AF, they all still have 747s and A340s flying the Atlantic. I mean ETOPS absolutly make sense, but are twin engined jets always that much more economical across for example the Atlantic? On a lot of occasions I have flown huge detours with twin engined aircraft across the Atlantic and taken huge "shortcuts" with triple- and quad-engined aircraft, that often times there were differences up to 1.5 hours. A lot of people say the loss of money for the extra fuel, crew, etc. compare to the extra costs it takes to maintain a quad-jet. But in another thread i just read it takes extra money to have a twin-jet ETOPS qualified and also takes extra money maintaining. So are twin jets really cheaper in the long-run like everyone (at least on the B side of the discussion) seems to know?


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User currently offlineFutureUApilot From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Just out of curiosity, what is ETOPS mean?

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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

Does ETOPS only apply to 2 engined aircraft such as the 737, 757, 777....?

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 1):
Just out of curiosity, what is ETOPS mean?

Extended-Range Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS)

Here's a webpage that might give you some help, although I'm sure someone on here will explain:
http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183011-1.html


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1955 times:

Ive always found this website to be most enlightening on various subjects:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6778 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1852 times:

"On a lot of occasions I have flown huge detours with twin engined aircraft across the Atlantic and taken huge "shortcuts" with triple- and quad-engined aircraft, that often times there were differences up to 1.5 hours."

For instance?


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Yeah why would you need a detour on an ETOPS aircraft going across the Atlantic??

User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

I have flown over the Atlantic 30 times, 24 of those times on 2 Engine aircraft, we never took any detours, none are needed for the North Atlantic.

User currently offlineBrons2 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3007 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 1):
Just out of curiosity, what is ETOPS mean?

Engines Turn Or Passengers Swim.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1814 times:

Does ETOPS only apply to 2 engined aircraft such as the 737, 757, 777....?

Yes, ETOPS is only for twin engine aircraft.



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