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KLM And The A330  
User currently offlineN270ft From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 85 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8989 times:

I understand that KLM has bought the A330.

Why did they order the A330 and the 777? I thought they were both designed for the same market.

Could someone please shed some light on this.

Thanks

A.W.

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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8963 times:

The A330-200 is a signficantly smaller plane than a 777-200.

N


User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8912 times:

And does anybody know if they are installing the tailcamera on this plane?!


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3762 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8891 times:

Quoting 777klm (Reply 2):
And does anybody know if they are installing the tailcamera on this plane?!

Also what about camera's on the front and bottom of the aircraft?

KLM has brought the A330-200's rather than the 777's competitor, the 300!

The A330-200's are a bit smaller than the KLM 777-200's and the A330-300!

Any idea on how many A330's KLM purchased, and how many options?

Rob!


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 4981 posts, RR: 44
Reply 4, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8876 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Any idea on how many A330's KLM purchased, and how many options?

Original deal was for 6 firm, plus 18 (!) options. They'll be getting two more from ILFC, and rumors are they're going to confirm four of their options soon.


User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8865 times:

I thought they ordered 9 and have an option for another 24, but I can be wrong!

[Edited 2005-06-27 19:26:41]


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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8849 times:

the orginal order is for 6 A330's, but now 2 ILFC's have been added and KL will place an order for 4 more...

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 847 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8689 times:

....and the KL 767´s are to be scrapped???

Micke//SE  Confused



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16345 posts, RR: 86
Reply 8, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8633 times:

Um, I doubt seriously that they will be scrapped.

N


User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

The first is already delivered to ZOOM airlines. The second and third are also going to ZOOM.

N774UA



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 8595 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Also what about camera's on the front and bottom of the aircraft?

I think that is the standard for all A330 aircrafts or atleast the 6 A330s of EK which i flew on had only the front and bottom views,
The bottom view is absolutely amazing, while in the air it makes you feel as if you are in a spy plane.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8493 times:

Quoting N774UA (Reply 9):
The first is already delivered to ZOOM airlines. The second and third are also going to ZOOM.

is that true? I thought that first and third BZA and BZC are for ZOOM, while second and fourth (BZB and BZD) will go to Neos. The other 8 are rumoured to go to Transaero.
Can anyone confirm this?


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2487 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8434 times:

....and the KL 767´s are to be scrapped???

Micke//SE


dude, those are one of the newest 767's....



is that true? I thought that first and third BZA and BZC are for ZOOM, while second and fourth (BZB and BZD) will go to Neos. The other 8 are rumoured to go to Transaero.
Can anyone confirm this?


yup, BZA is already with zoom, with B going to Neos, and C to zoom and D to Neos again. The other 8 are rumoured for the most to go to Transaero but also heard Aeroflot might pick-up one or 2


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8396 times:

Just because a company operates the 777-200 doesn't mean it can't operate the A330-200! The each serve different destinations according to the operational needs for the company!

Take Air France for example, who operates strong fleets of both types and nothing is going wrong there!



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8390 times:

The A332/B772 is a very good combination to cover long range operations - many, many airlines have opted for this combo - the A332 and the B772 are probably the best aircraft in each of their respective classes.

At KL, the A332s will replace the 763s which are going off lease.....KL's biggest problem with the 763 was its (lack of) cargo capacity, KL makes lots of money hauling freight. The 772s replaced the 743s (both all pax and combi versions) in the KL fleet, with additional 744ERFs being added to boost cargo capacity in the system.

KL will end up with a A332/772/MD11/744 (all pax and combi) longhaul fleet....over time, the MD11 maybe replaced by a mix of additional A332s and 772s, or possibily the larger versions of the 787 or A350 families, too soon to tell. There are no plans concerning a 744 replacement at this time.


User currently offline777KLM From China, joined Apr 2005, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8235 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 14):
There are no plans concerning a 744 replacement at this time.

Are there any plans to upgrade them in the near future?



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8203 times:

Quoting 777KLM (Reply 15):
Are there any plans to upgrade them in the near future?

KLM stated it will upgrade the 744's with the same AVOD system as the 777 (and soon A330), but a timeframe is not released yet.



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User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 17, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8037 times:

The KLM A332s are registered PH-AO_... So the seventh plane will be 'AOG'. Seems a little inauspicious!

User currently offlineCxsjr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

So if they're replacing the 767's, what routes do they operate now as I'd love to fly one of the KLM 332's?

User currently offlineJoost From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 3154 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7374 times:

The first destination will be IAD. For the winter service, most likely EWR will be the second destination to receive the 332. In the slot allocation list for AMS the 332 is scheduled for those two destinations. However, rumours are also that a couple of flights to YUL and YVR will see the new Airbus.

The 332 offers great possibilities together with the 772. The 332 can reach every KL destination now served by 744 or 772 (just not sure about SIN/KUL) so they can vary the type easily to meet demand. It is also a great aircraft to explore new long-haul routes before sending 772's or 744's. Looking at AF's deployment of 332's, it seems that they can be used economically on long-haul destinations like NRT.


User currently offlinePM From India, joined Feb 2005, 6840 posts, RR: 64
Reply 20, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7306 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 18):
So if they're replacing the 767's, what routes do they operate now

I can tell you that KLM send a 767 to Dar es Salaam every day. I assume that'll be an A330 in due course. (LX and EK already fly A332s in here.)


User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

And what about the current 767 AMS-LHR route? Will that one be replaced by an A332 too? A bit weird...  Confused


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User currently offlineSTARalliance24 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 378 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6358 times:

Quoting Cxsjr (Reply 18):
So if they're replacing the 767's, what routes do they operate now as I'd love to fly one of the KLM 332's?

They also operate the 767 to Washington(KL651) and to Atlanta(KL621)


User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6301 times:

Is the A333 a competitor to the 772? I thought the 772 had a much greater range than the A333.


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User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (8 years 9 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6282 times:

IAH (Houston), IAD, LHR, ATL, EWR, YVR, YUL, CAI, DAR (Dar Es Salaam), are current KL 767 destinations, please correct me if I'm wrong!



[Edited 2005-06-28 15:50:06]


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25 YULWinterSkies : Somewhat a competitor. 333 is not as big though (exact size of a 343), and 772 has a much greater range, but only in the case of the 772ER. Some airl
26 Joost : There are a few more than the ones 777klm mentioned. Also ALA, the triangle flight AMS-KRT-ADD-AMS and most of the flights in the middle east like KWI
27 Cloud4000 : Sounds like KLM is a prime candidate for the 787.
28 Gigneil : What does that have to do with our discussions of their not even delivered yet new fleet of A330s? N
29 Post contains images B742 : Don't you mean with the 767 When did KL switch DXB from the 763 to the M11? Do KL plan to keep on any 767's or are they all due to go, if so when wil
30 777klm : KL switched to 777, didn't they?
31 777klm : Does anybody know if there are some photo's already of the KL A332? Sorry if it has already been posted, I'm new[Edited 2005-06-28 17:59:03]
32 MauriceB : Does anybody know if there are some photo's already of the KL A332? Sorry if it has already been posted, I'm new there were some 2/3 weeks ago but on
33 AFinMIA : Does anyone know which destinations currently use the MD-11, and A330? Are There any on U.S. routes? Thanks in advance for the info.
34 MauriceB : Does anyone know which destinations currently use the MD-11 Aruba, Bonaire (2x a day), lima, Quito (ecuador) , Montreal (Montreal flights are often fl
35 B742 : Correct, DXB is currently served by one daily 772, but will soon to go to double daily M11, When will this happen? Rob!
36 N77014 : On routes that are too big for the A330, yet need cargo capacity with the wider cross section.
37 ACDC8 : YVR is B767 only in the winter, and MD11 service in the summer. I've been wondering about this a lot. It'll be interesting to see if they use the A33
38 Post contains links AMSSFO : They now can be found at http://www.speedwings.nl/main.htm!!
39 FlyAUA : No they're not getting scrapped yet. They are going to other airlines for now. If you compare the baseline models that came out within 5 years of eac
40 FLYYUL : KL 332 will not fly to YVR at first. Newark and Washington-IAD are the first airports to receive the 332. See travelocity
41 ETStar : The AMS-KRT-ADD-AMS triangle is served by a 767, not a 777
42 BuyantUkhaa : Those must be very rare occasions, as I've never seen one here in the three years that I live in LIS now (except maybe Euro 2004 championships). I se
43 Post contains links and images GlobeTrekker : Yeah apparently he got in trouble with KLM for posting those pics.... but since I have no such issues, here they are.......... Globe Trekker
44 Lamedianaranja : Very nice piccies GlobeTrekker, thx! Can't wait 'till the end of August! BTW, how do you get non-a.net pictures into your posts? I've tried to copy-an
45 KLMcedric : I hope KLM will deploy A-332's to epxlore new indian markets next year,after they were granted more flights to the country. Or is it more interesting
46 MauriceB : hose must be very rare occasions, as I've never seen one here in the three years that I live in LIS now (except maybe Euro 2004 championships well act
47 TranStar : I'm flying on a KLM A330-200 on my trip to Israel in October. One of the early cities is IAD. I am flying IAD-AMS-TLV and back with the first leg on t
48 A388 : Heey GlobeTrekker, I know the person who posted those KL A332 photos and yes, he had to delete the photos from his website because of KL not being all
49 Post contains images GlobeTrekker : Interesting and too bad actually. KLM as my employer has rules and regulations in place and I got into trouble a few times, like the time I posted a
50 Gigneil : India is one of those places that you can probably open up with a 332 at the smallest. You can sell pretty much any seats between Europe and India...
51 SK601 : Does anybody have an idea about the configuration? Like NW? C-class 2-2-2 and Y-class 2-4-2 ?? I really hope not the terrible KLM B777 config. 2-3-2 i
52 SE210Caravelle : As has been stated some the A330 is a smaller aircraft with a smaller capacity. As an effect of purchasing the A330 KLM can operate routes that do no
53 TexasLonghorn : If the A332 and 772 complement each other, then why does Cathay Pacific operate 772s and A333s? Those seem like they would have similar capacities.
54 STARalliance24 : Maybe because one goes farther than the other.
55 Lufthansa : The 772 really doesn't fit CX's fleet, but this is nothing when you look at what their chinese neighbours are doing operating both 737NGS and A320s s
56 TexasLonghorn : Thanks for the info, Lufthansa. Does CX own only 772As or do they have any ERs?
57 STARalliance24 : I think their 777-300 are ERs.
58 Eg777er : No, Cathay only operates 'A' market versions of both the 772 and the 773 (i.e. non-ER). The 772 are a bit of a wierd aircraft - they operate them BAH-
59 STARalliance24 : OH! ok thanx for the info
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