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Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs  
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4748 posts, RR: 43
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=6%2F27%2F2005

According to ATWONLINE.COM, Air Sahara has announced that it intends to order 40 airplanes for delivery over the next five years to bring its fleet to 65.

ATWONLINE.COM has speculated that the likely order will consist of 777s and 737NGs. Last week, Air Sahara announced plans to begin daily services between Delhi and London from September/October with two 777-200ERs leased from ILFC for five years.

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User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6279 times:

I think they have already ordered 20 737NG. They had a firm order for 10 and exercised 10 options very recently. I guess if they order another 20 planes it could be split 10 737/10 777 at a guess.

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Air Sahara might do lots of things! Big grin

I've long given up trying to predict what Sahara will do next.


User currently offlineBlsbls99 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6194 times:

I don't think Air Sahara has exercised options or purchased any 737NGs recently...you might be thinking of SpiceJet.
In fact, on boeing.com, they aren't even listed as a customer/purchaser.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4748 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6123 times:

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 2):
I've long given up trying to predict what Sahara will do next.

Sean your point above indeed does make a lot of sense and raises a lot of interesting questions.

S2 is the 3rd biggest domestic airline in India behind 9W and IC and yet those airlines and a host of new start ups have already announced many large wide-bodied and short-bodied aircraft and yet an airline of S2s stature and name in India who has operating for many years now hasnt as yet placed or even hinted at placing a sizeable widebodied order to fuel its international expansion.

Why is that? Why are they taking so long?


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Why is that? Why are they taking so long?

Lack of capital perhaps is a reason. No one knows if they are currently profitable. They did not want to show their financial statements to SAA for the leasing of three A340s, which was cited as a reason by SAA in signing the lease with Jet Airways.


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5873 times:

At first I read that as being 40 777s plus some 737s, and I thought these guys are even more delusional than certain ME airlines. I presume any order would end up being heavily weighted towards 737s in any order size at 40 aircraft.

The Indian airlines are going nuts.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

A lot of the Indian carriers seem to be focussing on the UK, Europe and USA in their short term expnasion plans. Over the last 12 months the Australia-India market has grown by 30%, with average annual growth of 23% since 2000.

Which Indian carrier do you think would commence Australian ops first.
AI had expressed interest, but I think that 9W or S2 may beat them to it.


User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 weeks ago) and read 5608 times:

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 3):
don't think Air Sahara has exercised options or purchased any 737NGs recently...you might be thinking of SpiceJet.
In fact, on boeing.com, they aren't even listed as a customer/purchaser.

I think you're right. Too many Indian airlines all of a sudden for me to keep track of!!!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 5155 times:

After HSS jr has decided to take charge of Air Sahara in more detail.The S2 Staff seem optimistic.
Time will tell.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1784 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Where are all these airlines coming from, King Tut's Tomb? I mean I've never heard of half of these egyptian airlines.

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31667 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Quoting Rj777 (Reply 10):
Where are all these airlines coming from

Its the time of the Two year Aviation Boom Bubble in India  Smile
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

Quoting Rj777 (Reply 10):
I've never heard of half of these egyptian airlines.

That's cos they aren't Egyptian.


User currently offlineSshank From United States of America, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 4723 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Why is that? Why are they taking so long?


Just a guess - may be its got something to do with their pilots running away like they are the plague?

Sahara needs to have simpler goals - like making it to 2006 as a functioning entity.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

Is there actually enough aviation infrastrucure in India (gates, runway capacity, licensed mechanics/pilots, terminal space, safety inspectors, airport access, etc to accommodate all of the airplanes that are being ordered?

[Edited 2005-06-28 15:53:10]

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 14):
Is there actually enough aviation infrastrucure in India (gates, runway capacity, licensed mechanics/pilots, terminal space, safety inspectors, airport access, etc Wink to accommodate all of the airplanes that are being ordered?

In one word, no.

Well, in theory there is but thats only if they are willing to hub in places Nagpur or Porbandar.


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Alright, then what happens? Are there big investments in the pipeline for new facilities?

User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5731 posts, RR: 48
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

While it's great that Indian Civil aviation is experiencing growth, the GOI is a miserable failure when it comes to the infrastructure. The GOI love to bill India as an extremely important player on world political and economic stage yet the airport infrastructure is no better than more destitute third world countries.

To date I haven't heard much about wholesale airport infrastructure upgrades/renovations and new construction other than the plan to partially privatize Mumbai and Delhi airports. Makes you want to you to put you heard through a wall!

 banghead 



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4262 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 16):
Alright, then what happens?

The smart money should be on anarchy, but like most Indians they will probably find a way to squeeze triple the designed capacity into limited space and life goes on as normal.


User currently offlineN60659 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 654 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4017 times:

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
The Indian airlines are going nuts.



Quoting Dalecary (Reply 8):
I think you're right. Too many Indian airlines all of a sudden for me to keep track of!!!

Kind of reminds you of the US right after deregulation doesn't it?

Quoting N79969 (Reply 14):
Is there actually enough aviation infrastrucure in India (gates, runway capacity, licensed mechanics/pilots, terminal space, safety inspectors, airport access, etc to accommodate all of the airplanes that are being ordered?

That's the million dollar question. New airlines are crawling out of the woodwork, but the basic infrastructure remains the same as it has always been. With large investment in improving the basic infrastructure (terminals, runways, ATC, ramp space etc. etc), Indian aviation could be in a world of hurt. More than anything else, the spike in air traffic will place a higher emphasis on the ATC network, which to me, needs considerable attention.

-N60659



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