RJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4647 times:
Mir and I were having our third late night chat of the week and this question came up. How expensive are gate leases at JFK and other airports? For example, China Airlines uses Terminal 3 at JFK. Why would they use Terminal 3 when they could easily use Terminal 1 or 4 late at night when their flight is, which are much nicer. I know they have an FFP agreement with Delta, but so do many carriers that don't use T3.
So basically, how competitive are Terminal operators at JFK? When a new airline starts service to JFK, as Air Tahiti is doing in the coming weeks, how different are the price rates between the terminals and why does Air Tahiti choose Terminal 4 while China Airlines chooses Terminal 3.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24796 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
Facilities can be a huge operational issue for airlines.
Some obvious factors include code share partnerships, however most often it comes down to what facilities (ticket counters, gates, lounges) are available based on the proposed schedules, and what prices are offered by the handling companies involved. In addition each terminal depending if its owned by the airport authority or under lease to other private airlines/companies have their own terminal fee structure which also can play a significant role into the equation.
One of the keys in my opinion in today's industry is having facilities. Seemingly its easy to acquire aircraft and launch services, however without facilities to operate from airlines will find their best plans thwarted.
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SQ25J From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 308 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4570 times:
Just like any business procuring services...you solicit bids/price request to interested parties....
At JFK Terminal 4 is open to all carriers, so naturally this is an option available to all, otherwise most other terminals will not entertain prospetive carriers. If a carrier is fortunate to have more than one option facilities+handling options will weigh in on price for services.
While so of you may disagree with me...I have been involved in terninal selection process for previous JFK operator-so I know a little about this.
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 4341 times:
Quoting Amirs (Reply 5): How do you explain BA with United, AF with LF at terminal 1, Swiss is in Terminal 4 not 1.
SAA is still in terminal 3
BA/UA is easy - they had a codeshare relationship (one of the very first) way back when (90's I think, poss. late 80's), and SA)">UA moved into the BA terminal at JFK.
AF/LH were part of the consortium of airlines that jointly developed JFK T1, and so use the joint facility. I'm pretty sure LH would prefer a joint Star Alliance facility with SA)">UA, and AF would like to join up with SA)">DL, but the SA)">DL terminals at JFK suck big time, and T1 is pretty nice, so I think AF and LH will battle to the death to see who keeps T1 and who goes elsewhere - may be they will both stay. It's a bit of a tie, because LH has SQ (Star partner) at T1, while AF has AZ and KE.
SA is in the SA)">DL terminal because of the codeshare with SA)">DL - before they were in T8/T9 with AA when that codeshare was on, and before that they were in the IAB. Who knows where they'll go, maybe if a dedicated Star facility opens they'll go there.
It would make sense probably for the new SA)">DL terminal (if it ever happens) to become the Skyteam facility, maybe T1 could become the Star facility, and the T7/8/9 could form the Oneworld facility. Depends if there's enough room at T1 for SA)">UA as well as LH/SQ/SA/LO/TP/RG/NH/TG et al.
I think LX/SR was always at the IAB, and has stayed on. I don't know if they ever moved to the SA)">DL terminal during the Qualiflyer debacle.
It is only a short time ago that Swiss was taken over by LH. I think when the Swiss network will be fully integrated into LH's schedule (at the end of this year) they will change to the terminal where LH is.
Shorter taxi time, perhaps? The only way T1 will be closer to the runway is if you land on 31L, and arguably 31R. 22L, 4R, and 13L and 13R are all closer to T4.
Also, T4 does have more shops than T1. That's probably why it's popular with the big-name airlines, who can afford to pay for space in it. Those at T1 probably signed long-term contracts while T4 was still the crappy old IAB. That's just my wild theory, but I can't think of a better explanation than that.
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