Keesje From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 9874 posts, RR: 51 Posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4876 times:
"EVA Airways said on Tuesday it plans to purchase 10 Boeing 777-200LRF's for around $2 billion.
The 777-200LRF fleet is designed to replace EVA Air's MD-11 and Boeing 747-400 freighters.
Already in April 2004 EVA signed a contract for $1.49 billion to purchase 8 B777-300ER's.
Keesje From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 9874 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4779 times:
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 1): ps, is this the first time an airline replaces its 747-400F's????
It seems to me the decision to start selling the 772LRF didn't improve the prospects for the 744 line. The B744 backlog are almost all freighters & Boeing confirmed the 744 line has to be kept open for at least 4 years until a 744adv could be introduced)
PANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 3081 posts, RR: 89 Reply 4, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4776 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Thread starter): Already in April 2004 EVA signed a contract for $1.49 billion to purchase 8 B777-300ER's.
That contract was actually signed 31/12/2002 as "Unidentified" and finally confirmed by EVA in 2004. I question the accuracy of that statement in the article as they only have 12 773ER on order, the other 4 booked in June 2000.
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 2): They are planning not ordering
True, though this one does look like it will happen. Either way, very good news for the 772LR/F program.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4636 times:
Glad to see that the 777's roll is continuing assuming this materializes.
I still don't think this has much bearing on whether the 747 line will stay open. If I am not mistaken, EVA is simply standardizing on the 777 as their flagship widebody airplane with the pax 744 also going in the long term. My recollection is a bit fuzzy on the last point though.
I think there are still other carriers interested in the 747Adv aside from the 777.
DAYflyer From United States, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 8 Reply 6, posted (4 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4490 times:
Another source:
Taiwan's EVA Plans 10 Boeing 777-200 Cargo Jets For US$2 Billion
Tuesday June 28, 1:19 AM EDT
TAIPEI -(Dow Jones)- EVA Airways Corp. (2618.TW) plans to purchase 10 Boeing Co. (BA) (BA) B777-200 cargo planes for a total of about US$2 billion, the company's Executive Vice President and spokesman K.W. Nieh said Tuesday.
"The potential expansion of the passenger market in Taiwan is limited, so we're looking to expand our air cargo operations," Nieh said in a telephone interview.
Nieh said EVA's expansion of its cargo fleet has nothing to do with the China market, but other strong Asian economies are boosting demand for cargo services. Taiwan still bans direct transportation links with China for political reasons.
EVA derives around half of its revenue from cargo business, and the rest from passenger operations. Nieh said the company hopes to raise revenue contributions from cargo operations to 60% eventually.
In the first four months of 2005, EVA Airways had revenue of NT$27.4 billion, up from NT$24.96 billion.
EVA has tendered a proposal on the purchase to Boeing (BA), he said, adding that the schedule for the aircraft delivery hasn't been finalized yet.
EVA Airways is Taiwan's second-largest air carrier, operating a fleet of 16 cargo and 32 passenger planes.
At 0452 GMT, EVA's shares declined 0.6% to NT$15.50, underperforming the mainboard index's 0.1% gain because of higher oil prices.
Apparently they DO NOT plan on ordering the pax version due to "limited growth in pax" vs freighter.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4193 times:
>> What do you mean they do not plan on ordering the passenger version? They already have 3 772LRs on order.
When EVA placed their original order for 3 772LR and X number of 773ER, the 772LR were ordered because the 773ER did not have the range to perform all the routes EVA wanted to open. Subsequent performance increases meant that the 773ER could opperate nearly all routes EVA planned, so it became uncertain if EVA would even take the passenger 772LR.
Conversion of the three 772LR into 777F order or passenger 773ER has been rumoured for some time...
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3735 times:
Quoting Keesje (Reply 3): It seems to me the decision to start selling the 772LRF didn't improve the prospects for the 744 line
Two very different aircraft with different profiles.
The 744F can do stuff the 772F can't and vice versa, so there will be a market for both. Especially for airlines who don't need the longer range but do need the volume and nose door the 744F can offer. Not every airline will additionally want to buy the GE90, and the 744F offers a three way engine choice.
There is room for both aircraft in the Boeing portfolio.
Echster From United States, joined Sep 2004, 394 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3138 times:
Quote: So all these orders and news articles is this what they have on order now?
(3) 777-200LR
(10) 777-200LRF
(12) 777-300ER
Can someone clear this up for me please?
Eitherway good job Boeing and there 777LR program.
Yes, that is essentially what EVA has on order now. I don't think the 772LRF paperwork is signed, but it looks as if it'll get done. Also, as has long been rumored, the 3 x 772LRs may be converted to 773ERs. Again, nothing official on that.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2782 posts, RR: 75 Reply 12, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3104 times:
Glad to see that this derivative of the B777 is gaining good attention. For many cargo carriers this will be the best option to replace the MD 11. I would not be too surprised to see LH jumping onboard soon.
DAYflyer From United States, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 8 Reply 13, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2990 times:
Quoting Alexchao (Reply 7): What do you mean they do not plan on ordering the passenger version? They already have 3 772LRs on order.
See below the qoute from the article...this is why I said that.
Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 6): The potential expansion of the passenger market in Taiwan is limited, so we're looking to expand our air cargo operations," Nieh said in a telephone interview.
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 8): When EVA placed their original order for 3 772LR and X number of 773ER, the 772LR were ordered because the 773ER did not have the range to perform all the routes EVA wanted to open. Subsequent performance increases meant that the 773ER could opperate nearly all routes EVA planned, so it became uncertain if EVA would even take the passenger 772LR
United Airline From Hong Kong SAR, PRC, joined Jan 2001, 7801 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2491 times:
So will they replace their entire B 747-400 fleet?
EBJ1248650 From United States, joined Jun 2005, 1537 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (4 years 5 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1285 times:
I've often wondered why the 767-400 didn't take off as a freighter. It had the operating economics and conversion to a freighter model shouldn't have been that hard. Boeing had developed the 767-300 freighter and it appeared to have sold well.
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