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User currently offlineTP727 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

There used to be a flight GIG-SVO with one stop (don´t know where). I think it was only two or three times a week, and it was probably not profitable, since it was dropped. Last month i went on a fishing trip and met a few Russians, who complained severely on the time it took them to fly all the way down to Pantanal. And also said that they have friends who would like to visit Brazil, but give it up when they see how long would take to get here.
One of the Russians said he flies frequently to Brazil on bussiness, most times northeast, and it´s a nightmare. He spends the weekend waiting for connecting flights.
Last night i had a quick flight to BSB and there were another group of Russians and Ukrainians on bussiness, that had the same complaint, when i asked about their run to Brazil.
Both markets - Brazil and Russia - have seen a big growth in the past years, and there may be a market open for a new root.
What do you think about this? Do you think it would be in any airline´s interest?

TP727

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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2229 times:

I don't know what airline is going to be up for that route. I would guess that Aeroflot would not go for it. But airlines that have begun to grow recently such as Transaero and Sibir might eventually expand into South America, so eventually that may be a possibility. As for Aeroflot, I truly don't know whether they actually have enough long-range planes to complete the run. Aeroflot's schedule is quite busy for the number of planes they have. But as I said Transaero might be looking into South American expansion!

Aeroflot777


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

SU used to fly GRU-SID-TUN-SVO 2x.
SU started losing all Latin American destinations during the last 90's but HAV, GRU and MEX were kept up until 2001.

Currently, I see little traffic in Russia-South America routes. However, I believe that as the time goes by and both Russia and Brazil become truly regional powers (in this, the so-called Development Axis composed by India, South Africa, Brazil and Russia, along with China), we could see this route starting again (hopefully with less stops!).

Also, the introduction of 787 could help this route to happen once again. May be in 10 years. But who knows?

PZ



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

What about TAP serving SVO? That would pretty much solve all problems - SU used to fly SVO-LIS four times a week until 2003, and there is a considerable Russian community in Portugal. I suppose this might be the most viable scenario.


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User currently offlineJtamu97 From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 658 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

I was actually looking at getting to GRU from SVO and the schedules are not bad at all. There are many flights leaving Moscow in the evening and arriving in Sao Paulo the next morning. Perhaps the problem was getting to the Pantanal. That was an all day ordeal for us from Sao Paulo. We flew to Campo Grande and arrived about noon then had 4-5 hour drive to the Pantanal.

Later,
J



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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 3):
What about TAP serving SVO?

Indeed. I had not thought of that. LIS and TP are an excellent option when it comes to connecting to Brazil. Just wish Aeroflot or Transaero could work it a partnership with TP



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 1925 times:
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Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 2):
Currently, I see little traffic in Russia-South America routes. However, I believe that as the time goes by and both Russia and Brazil become truly regional powers (in this, the so-called Development Axis composed by India, South Africa, Brazil and Russia, along with China), we could see this route starting again (hopefully with less stops!).

I really think that Russia at this moment will keep service to Brazil thru Frankfurt and Paris, India thru Dubai and Johanesburg and probably only China in a first moment will handle a Brazil service (with a stop). Russia and India become more important partners to Brazil but nowadays the business traffic is not so great. With trade improvement i think that in 2 to 5 years India first (as they are starting several investments in Brazil mainly in chemicals/farmaceutical area) and later Russia, can offer flights.

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

If the russians and/or brazilians are interested Sao Paulo - Moscow - Tokyo / Osaka / Seoul / Beijin / Xianhai may be worth looking into.


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User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1788 times:

Quoting TP727 (Thread starter):
And also said that they have friends who would like to visit Brazil, but give it up when they see how long would take to get here.

I don't see the problem. Russians leaving Moscow can fly to Brazil with one stop with LH via Frankfurt, with BA via London, with AF via Paris. If they are looking for sympathy, they will get none from me. In the past two years I have made 13 round trips from my home in Hawaii to Brazil. Here are some of my itineraries:

CO HNL-IAH-GRU-GIG-GRU-EWR-HNL
UA HNL-LAX-ORD-GRU-GIG-SSA-GRU-MIA-LAX-HNL
DL HNL-LAX-ATL-GRU-ATL-LAX-HNL
AC/UA HNL-LAX-YYZ-GRU-YYZ-LAX-HNL
AA HNL-LAX-MIA-GIG-GRU-DFW-HNL
And my personal favorite was my last trip
HA HNL-PHX Southwest PHX-TPA-FLL Train to MIA and then JJ MIA-GRU-GIG.
So as you can see, some of us frequent visitors to Brazil have it much worse than the Russians.

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1713 times:

Poor Russians... hehehe.
Could Transaero do some charter work into there? They already do Mexico, I don't know if some Russians would be interested in the exotic destinations in South America.
-Mr. X



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User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1670 times:

Let's get something straight here!!! Russians don't need to be felt sorry for. There is more than one way of getting to Brazil with only one stop as mentioned above. Some people don't look at different possibilities when booking airline tickets and end up with outrageous itineraries, but again those people are idiots, that get themselves into that kind of mess and try to make people feel sorry for them.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineBrunoSBGR From Brazil, joined Jun 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 2):
SU used to fly GRU-SID-TUN-SVO 2x.
SU started losing all Latin American destinations during the last 90's but HAV, GRU and MEX were kept up until 2001.

Just as a remark, these SU flights used to be operated by IL-62s (until mid-1990s) and the IL-96s.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 8):
I don't see the problem. Russians leaving Moscow can fly to Brazil with one stop with LH via Frankfurt, with BA via London, with AF via Paris. If they are looking for sympathy, they will get none from me. In the past two years I have made 13 round trips from my home in Hawaii to Brazil. Here are some of my itineraries:

CO HNL-IAH-GRU-GIG-GRU-EWR-HNL
UA HNL-LAX-ORD-GRU-GIG-SSA-GRU-MIA-LAX-HNL
DL HNL-LAX-ATL-GRU-ATL-LAX-HNL
AC/UA HNL-LAX-YYZ-GRU-YYZ-LAX-HNL
AA HNL-LAX-MIA-GIG-GRU-DFW-HNL
And my personal favorite was my last trip
HA HNL-PHX Southwest PHX-TPA-FLL Train to MIA and then JJ MIA-GRU-GIG.
So as you can see, some of us frequent visitors to Brazil have it much worse than the Russians.

Hey HALFA, couldn't you fly HNL-LAX-GRU-GIG?

RG flyes 4x a week LAX-GRU-GIG.
Unless you don't like RG very much (which wouldn't surprise me...hehee)

Happy landings,

Bruno Brasileiro
SBGR


User currently offlineHALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1354 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

Quoting BrunoSBGR (Reply 11):
Hey HALFA, couldn't you fly HNL-LAX-GRU-GIG?

Bruno,

That is actually my favorite way to get to Brazil but there are a few problems with it. First, they only fly the route 4 times per week and unless you book a year in advance, it's almost impossible to get a seat. Also, the LAX-GRU flight leaves LAX in the early afternoon and there is no flight leaving HNL that I can make a good connection with as flights leave HNL in the early morning arriving in LAX in the late afternoon, or I would have to leave HNL the night before and have about an 8 hour wait for RG's flight to GRU
If only TAM would come in and start LAX-GIG with a 6:00pm departure from LAX, life would be very simple!

Aloha,
HALFA



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User currently offlinePualani From United States of America, joined May 2004, 301 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1479 times:

HALFA...you and I know that the perfect route would be for HA to fly HNL-MEX-GRU but no one is listening in management.



pualani


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11429 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1478 times:
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Quoting HALFA (Reply 12):
If only TAM would come in and start LAX-GIG with a 6:00pm departure from LAX, life would be very simple!

The DL ATL-GIG could help you on that, not so good as in fact could be the LAX-GIG. Probably you can fly HNL-SLC-ATL-GIG or HNL-SFO-ATL-GIG with a little idle on ATL.

Regards,
Felipe



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