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Airbus A340-600IGW  
User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9321 times:

I've been trying to find some information regarding the new A340-600IGW, its specs and how it will compare to the B777-300. Does anyone have any news as to the first flight and entry into commercial service? Any news would be very appreciated, thanks.

Regards,
Wings


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

The current information on airbus.com reflects the upgrade to 380t.

I do not know when the first frame will be delivered.

N


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 961 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 9250 times:

>> I've been trying to find some information regarding the new A340-600IGW, its specs and how it will compare to the B777-300.

First, the A346 upgrade is called the HGW, for High Gross Weight, not IGW. And of course, you are looking to compare the 773ER not the baseline 773A.

Nitpicking done, here is some data-

http://www.airbus.com/en/aircraftfam...0a340/a340-600/specifications.html

http://www.boeing.com/assocproducts/aircompat/acaps/777rsec2.pdf (page 4)
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_lrproduct.html

>> Does anyone have any news as to the first flight and entry into commercial service?

I believe the first delivery is to EK in 2006?


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9022 times:

Will the A340-600 HGW/ IGW become the sole baseline for the A340-600 or will the current versions be offered as well?

So basically the A340-600HGW will offer the following compared to the B777-300ER

AIRBUS A340-600HGW

Seats: 380 (3 class)
MTOW: 380T
Max Range 7900 nm

BOEING 777-300ER

Seats: 365(3 class)
MTOW: 350T
Max Range: 7,880 nm

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Most aircraft are offered in a variety of MTOW options. I'm sure the 346 will be the same.

N


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3476 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8949 times:

Beware manufacturer's seat counts. They may not be based on the same set of rules. This makes it difficult to draw conclusions on the relative passenger capability.

Airline seats counts are usually quite different.



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
>> Does anyone have any news as to the first flight and entry into commercial service?

I believe the first delivery is to EK in 2006?

There was some talk about EK not getting those a/c, but rather giving them back for A380 + A350 orders. Can´t remember were I read it, so not sure if this is true or not.

QR will get them from 2006 as well.

This is taken from their homepage.

Qatar Airways is the launch customer for the A340-600 High Gross Weight aircraft that will be delivered in 2006.


User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

Does anyone have any ideas what changes Airbus will be making to improve the baseline? Will we see an updated and lighter wing. More use of composites or even glare?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 6):
There was some talk about EK not getting those a/c, but rather giving them back for A380 + A350 orders

I wouldn't believe this at all. These are the same people that said EK wasn't going to receive the last of 2 A340-500's. EK will take delivery of those jets. They need the extra capacity.

Quoting WINGS (Reply 7):
Does anyone have any ideas what changes Airbus will be making to improve the baseline? Will we see an updated and lighter wing. More use of composites or even glare?

Im not 100% sure but I think parts of the wings have been modified, by making it lighter by adding composites. I don't think GLARE is used at all.

Isnt GLARE used for the body only, never heard of it being used for wings? I might be mistaken.

Drew



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User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
Isnt GLARE used for the body only, never heard of it being used for wings?

You are right. Glare is used only for the upper parts of fuselage sections. But I've heard that they will indeed be using composites for the HGW wing.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2):
First, the A346 upgrade is called the HGW, for High Gross Weight, not IGW.

Maybe he heard it from a French colleague/friend... Igh Gross Weight  Wink



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8519 times:

The new wing panels will be CFRP. Not GLARE.

N


User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 8360 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 8):
I wouldn't believe this at all. These are the same people that said EK wasn't going to receive the last of 2 A340-500's. EK will take delivery of those jets. They need the extra capacity.

I thought they were going to lease them to Jet.



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8249 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 5):
Beware manufacturer's seat counts. They may not be based on the same set of rules. This makes it difficult to draw conclusions on the relative passenger capability.

Airline seats counts are usually quite different.

EG. Thai Airways 2 class A346 having only 267 seats!


User currently offlineImperialAero From Canada, joined May 2005, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8230 times:

I think you mean Thai's A345's are 267 seat configurations.


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 961 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8054 times:

>> Maybe he heard it from a French colleague/friend... Igh Gross Weight

We are speaking in English here and the English marketing name for the A340 upgrade is HGW...


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3322 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

Quoting ImperialAero (Reply 13):
I think you mean Thai's A345's are 267 seat configurations.

No, I know what I mean....

A345 = 215 seats [60+42+113]
http://www.thaiairways.com/About_Tha...tion/Information/AircraftFleet.htm

A346 = 267 seats [6+60+199]
http://www.thaiairways.com/Travel_De...tion/Aircraft_Seatmaps/A3461_l.htm


User currently onlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26365 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):
AIRBUS A340-600HGW

Seats: 380 (3 class)
MTOW: 380T
Max Range 7900 nm

BOEING 777-300ER

Seats: 365(3 class)
MTOW: 350T
Max Range: 7,880 nm

Actually, the 773ER has more floor space than the A346 and should hold more in a typical 3 class configuration.



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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7432 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
Quoting WINGS (Reply 3):AIRBUS A340-600HGW

Seats: 380 (3 class)
MTOW: 380T
Max Range 7900 nm

BOEING 777-300ER

Seats: 365(3 class)
MTOW: 350T
Max Range: 7,880 nm
Actually, the 773ER has more floor space than the A346 and should hold more in a typical 3 class configuration."I'm the king of Bongo baby, I'm the king of Bongo Bong" Manu Chau. End the Hipocrisy, free Fre

what is your guess about total capacity of the 773 with a 3x4x3 seat configuration (like the one used by EK and Thai)?

Also, how do those 2 planes compare regarding fuel consumption considering one is a twin engine and the other a 4holer?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 961 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

>> what is your guess about total capacity of the 773 with a 3x4x3 seat configuration (like the one used by EK and Thai)?

Disregarding high-capacity configurations like those that EK uses, the 773ER in 9-abreast econ has more seats than the A346. Take a look at the percentage of economy seats Airbus uses when they say the A346 "seats 380."

The 773ER is simply a bigger airplane despire weighing less and burning less fuel  Wink


User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7303 times:

what advantages does and HGW offer airlines?

User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7289 times:

Quoting NorCal (Reply 19):
what advantages does and HGW offer airlines?

i guess it is just trying to match the 773ER..trying to compete


User currently offlineNorCal From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2459 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7270 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 20):

Well to get the increased payload won't they have to add structural reinforcement, hence adding more OEW? Or is this mostly for range? What about landing fees?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 961 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

>> i guess it is just trying to match the 773ER..trying to compete

I'm fairly certain that the HGW was available before the full extent of the 773ER performance increases were revealed. Remember that in 2003 EK ordered both the 773ER and A346-HGW because the HGW offered a commanding range advantage. It wasn't until certification and EOS in 2004 that Boeing was advertising the 773ER as neck-in-neck with the HGW for range.

Heck, the first 773ERs that went to AF were manufactured before one of the performance increases and will require a modification package to take advantage of the update.

>> Well to get the increased payload won't they have to add structural reinforcement, hence adding more OEW? Or is this mostly for range?

Airbus is getting some of the performance increases by decreasing the weight of some components via new materials like CFRP skins. The HGW will also have added fuel capacity and uprated engines. Here is how the two A340 variants stack-up

Stat ======= A340-600 ======= A340-600HGW

MTOW (365 metric tons) (380)
Max Zero Fuel weight (242 metric tons) (251)
Maximum fuel capacity (51,379 gallons) (54,023)
OEW (177.8 metric tons) (181.9)
Range w/ max passengers (7,500 nautical miles) (7,900)

I have to love this one tidbit that Airbus threw in the stat bin-

Passenger capacity (metric) - 380.0
Passenger capacity (imperial) - 380.0

Well damn, I was thinking that they could fit .2 imperial passengers in there  Wink


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 9977 posts, RR: 96
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6706 times:
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Has the same HGW increase been done for the A345?

If so, what is the result?


User currently offlineYULMRS From France, joined Mar 2005, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 14):
>> Maybe he heard it from a French colleague/friend... Igh Gross Weight

We are speaking in English here and the English marketing name for the A340 upgrade is HGW...

Poor baby  Wink



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25 Jcded : DfwRevolution: it was a joke, as in the stereotypical french accent has problem with the "h"...
26 WINGS : Yes I believe that the A340-500 will also incorporate the same upgrades, considering that they use the same wing. I always thought that Airbus used t
27 ComeAndGo : Non-Stop around the world.
28 Post contains images Glideslope : Sorry. This will be flown by the 772LR this fall. It's easier to catch up, than it is to pass.
29 Post contains images OHLHD : Agree 100% Must have read it on one of those intelligent A vs B threads They surely need them!
30 Post contains images KL808 : Nope, that was just a rumor. The remaining 2 A340-500's will be delivered and one of them will be used for the Nagoya route. The remaining will be us
31 N1120A : Actually, the main reason EK ordered the A346HGW is because of engine out issues at DXB. That is one of the reasons they are screaming at GE for a 12
32 FlyAUA : D'oh, I was joking! Where's your sense of humour...
33 Irishpower : I love how on the Airbus website for the A346 they show passenger count as 380.0--like they could get 380.5 or 380.675. Funny stuff. I guess they've b
34 Post contains images WINGS : Maybe they are counting a child or who knows even a midget.
35 Post contains images DfwRevolution : >> Where's your sense of humour... Where have you said something funny... >> Actually, it was those first 773ERs that gave the clue to the increased
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