WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8314 times:
I've been trying to find some information regarding the new A340-600IGW, its specs and how it will compare to the B777-300. Does anyone have any news as to the first flight and entry into commercial service? Any news would be very appreciated, thanks.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 8244 times:
The current information on airbus.com reflects the upgrade to 380t.
I do not know when the first frame will be delivered.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7978 times:
Most aircraft are offered in a variety of MTOW options. I'm sure the 346 will be the same.
OldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3206 posts, RR: 66 Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7942 times:
Beware manufacturer's seat counts. They may not be based on the same set of rules. This makes it difficult to draw conclusions on the relative passenger capability.
Airline seats counts are usually quite different.
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OHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 27 Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7949 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 2): >> Does anyone have any news as to the first flight and entry into commercial service?
I believe the first delivery is to EK in 2006?
There was some talk about EK not getting those a/c, but rather giving them back for A380 + A350 orders. Can´t remember were I read it, so not sure if this is true or not.
QR will get them from 2006 as well.
This is taken from their homepage.
Qatar Airways is the launch customer for the A340-600 High Gross Weight aircraft that will be delivered in 2006.
WINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 70 Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7699 times:
Does anyone have any ideas what changes Airbus will be making to improve the baseline? Will we see an updated and lighter wing. More use of composites or even glare?
KL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1573 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 7617 times:
Quoting OHLHD (Reply 6): There was some talk about EK not getting those a/c, but rather giving them back for A380 + A350 orders
I wouldn't believe this at all. These are the same people that said EK wasn't going to receive the last of 2 A340-500's. EK will take delivery of those jets. They need the extra capacity.
Quoting WINGS (Reply 7): Does anyone have any ideas what changes Airbus will be making to improve the baseline? Will we see an updated and lighter wing. More use of composites or even glare?
Im not 100% sure but I think parts of the wings have been modified, by making it lighter by adding composites. I don't think GLARE is used at all.
Isnt GLARE used for the body only, never heard of it being used for wings? I might be mistaken.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7512 times:
Atmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 39 Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 7353 times:
Quoting KL808 (Reply 8): I wouldn't believe this at all. These are the same people that said EK wasn't going to receive the last of 2 A340-500's. EK will take delivery of those jets. They need the extra capacity.
I thought they were going to lease them to Jet.
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6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7242 times:
Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 5): Beware manufacturer's seat counts. They may not be based on the same set of rules. This makes it difficult to draw conclusions on the relative passenger capability.
Airline seats counts are usually quite different.
EG. Thai Airways 2 class A346 having only 267 seats!
Seats: 365(3 class)
MTOW: 350T
Max Range: 7,880 nm
Actually, the 773ER has more floor space than the A346 and should hold more in a typical 3 class configuration."I'm the king of Bongo baby, I'm the king of Bongo Bong" Manu Chau. End the Hipocrisy, free Fre
what is your guess about total capacity of the 773 with a 3x4x3 seat configuration (like the one used by EK and Thai)?
Also, how do those 2 planes compare regarding fuel consumption considering one is a twin engine and the other a 4holer?
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 23 hours ago) and read 6373 times:
>> what is your guess about total capacity of the 773 with a 3x4x3 seat configuration (like the one used by EK and Thai)?
Disregarding high-capacity configurations like those that EK uses, the 773ER in 9-abreast econ has more seats than the A346. Take a look at the percentage of economy seats Airbus uses when they say the A346 "seats 380."
The 773ER is simply a bigger airplane despire weighing less and burning less fuel
Well to get the increased payload won't they have to add structural reinforcement, hence adding more OEW? Or is this mostly for range? What about landing fees?
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 22 hours ago) and read 6206 times:
>> i guess it is just trying to match the 773ER..trying to compete
I'm fairly certain that the HGW was available before the full extent of the 773ER performance increases were revealed. Remember that in 2003 EK ordered both the 773ER and A346-HGW because the HGW offered a commanding range advantage. It wasn't until certification and EOS in 2004 that Boeing was advertising the 773ER as neck-in-neck with the HGW for range.
Heck, the first 773ERs that went to AF were manufactured before one of the performance increases and will require a modification package to take advantage of the update.
>> Well to get the increased payload won't they have to add structural reinforcement, hence adding more OEW? Or is this mostly for range?
Airbus is getting some of the performance increases by decreasing the weight of some components via new materials like CFRP skins. The HGW will also have added fuel capacity and uprated engines. Here is how the two A340 variants stack-up
Stat ======= A340-600 ======= A340-600HGW
MTOW (365 metric tons) (380)
Max Zero Fuel weight (242 metric tons) (251)
Maximum fuel capacity (51,379 gallons) (54,023)
OEW (177.8 metric tons) (181.9)
Range w/ max passengers (7,500 nautical miles) (7,900)
I have to love this one tidbit that Airbus threw in the stat bin-
YULMRS From France, joined Mar 2005, 193 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 5575 times:
Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 14): >> Maybe he heard it from a French colleague/friend... Igh Gross Weight
We are speaking in English here and the English marketing name for the A340 upgrade is HGW...
Poor baby
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25 Jcded: DfwRevolution: it was a joke, as in the stereotypical french accent has problem with the "h"...
26 WINGS: Yes I believe that the A340-500 will also incorporate the same upgrades, considering that they use the same wing. I always thought that Airbus used t
28 Glideslope: Sorry. This will be flown by the 772LR this fall. It's easier to catch up, than it is to pass.
29 OHLHD: Agree 100% Must have read it on one of those intelligent A vs B threads They surely need them!
30 KL808: Nope, that was just a rumor. The remaining 2 A340-500's will be delivered and one of them will be used for the Nagoya route. The remaining will be us
31 N1120A: Actually, the main reason EK ordered the A346HGW is because of engine out issues at DXB. That is one of the reasons they are screaming at GE for a 12
32 FlyAUA: D'oh, I was joking! Where's your sense of humour...
33 Irishpower: I love how on the Airbus website for the A346 they show passenger count as 380.0--like they could get 380.5 or 380.675. Funny stuff. I guess they've b
34 WINGS: Maybe they are counting a child or who knows even a midget.
35 DfwRevolution: >> Where's your sense of humour... Where have you said something funny... >> Actually, it was those first 773ERs that gave the clue to the increased
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