Tackleberry970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 67 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2395 times:
Today, after work, I stopped by the viewing park of my local airport, GRR, to enjoy the view for a bit.
While there, an American Eagle ERJ-145 arrived as did a NWA CRJ. Departing was a NWA DC-9.
My point is...WHERE IS THE NOISE? If I hadn't watched the ERJ land, I would never have heard him. And he turned to taxi off the runway just to my left...with his reverse thrust to my right...and only 100 yards or so in front of me. The engines on those birds are ultra-quiet.
The CRJ was slightly louder with reverse thrust, but when that Ol' 9 took to her element...NOW THAT WAS THE SOUND OF AN AIRPLANE. That's what an airplane is supposed to sound like. That crackling thunder lets you know a workhorse is earning its keep.
I was born in Ohio and until I was 6, we lived under the glide path of CLE. This was back in the 60s when the 707s and DC-8s were frequent visitors as the backbones to most airlines jet fleets. Maybe that is why I don't have a problem with that crackling thunder from those old PW engines.
Is it me, or does anyone else think that the encroaching civilization that then demands that the airport do something about the noise they create (gee, dumb#@%...the airport was here first!) has done a disservice to the airport experience?
If I could have it my way, I'd get the airport authority to let me have a small chunk of land next the runway, buy myself a used-up airframe (like a L1011 or 747) and place here there on that property and hang my "Welcome" sign...home sweet home. For me, that would be living.
GoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2357 times:
Quoting Tackleberry970 (Thread starter): WHERE IS THE NOISE? If I hadn't watched the ERJ land, I would never have heard him. And he turned to taxi off the runway just to my left...with his reverse thrust to my right...and only 100 yards or so in front of me. The engines on those birds are ultra-quiet.
I wish you could tell the NIMBYs near CLE, especially Olmsted Falls. They act like they are noisier than a 707.
I personally don't miss the noise near the airport. (I live near the CLE path when the 6's are in use). So long as there is the familiar noise inside the plane. When I'm flying is when I want the "flying" experience. But NIMBYs are, by definition, idiots, and can't understand that the airport was their first.
"Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours"
BoeingPride800 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2271 times:
I know what you mean. At my old hometown airport ( SYR ), evryone is downsizing to RJ's. But there is still a quite a bit amount of mainline's. DL has an MD-88, B6-A320, T9-MD-80;727;& 757's, NW-DC-9,US, 733-734,A319,E170(under US Express).
But US does bring in a couple ERJ's, UA brings in ERJ's and those sexy CRJ 700's, lol, and CO brings in ERJ's so does AA, NW brings in CRJ's to MSP as well. I love to see the mainline better than RJ.
I definetly don't have a prob w/DTW! NW just keeps them DC-9's runnin like a work horse! I love it. Also the DC-10's.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12333 posts, RR: 12 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2243 times:
As to noise, I doubt most people miss or want to hear the "old school" noisy birds anymore either inside those aircraft or in their backyards. But I do agree that there is something of an older DC-9-30 or an beater 727-200 Freighter or a DC-8 or older 747 or even a 777 at full bore at take off that still gets attention from fan of aircraft.
Efohdee From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 214 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
Growing up I could open my windows at night and hear the familiar aircraft taxiing around. The DC-10 and 747 with older CF-6 engines make a distinct whining sound while at idle. Also the whine of a JT8D powered aircraft makes her own whine. I learned to tell the type of engines just by the noise I could hear late at night, the rest of the city all quiet.
GoAllegheny From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 340 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2222 times:
Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 1): But NIMBYs are, by definition, idiots, and can't understand that the airport was their first.
OK, that is going too far. I live 10 miles from ORD and the planes (mainly older 747s at this point) still are noisy at times. Does that make me a NIMBY? No, it makes me someone who supports noise and environment standards for cleaner, quieter engines so that both nearby residents and the airport can coexist in relative peace.
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2220 times:
Growing up in Orange County, CA, my back yard was NAS Los Alamitos - then a Naval Reserve base, but with significant transient traffic from all services. With the main taxiway just a few hundred yards from our back fence, it was a kid's delight, and probably the reason I'm an aircraft junkie to this day.
It was a rite of passage in our neighborhood to jump the barbwire fence on a Saturday afternoon, sprint out to the taxiway in between the Phantoms and Skyhawks, and make it back across the fence before Base Security arrived. When we sat on the fence in safety, the pilots always gave us a thumbs up at having completed our "mission."
Here are the aircraft I remember seeing: A-1D, A-3, A-4, A-6, A-7, B-52, C-9, C-54, C-118, C-130, C-141, F-4, F-5, F-8, F-14, F-102, F-105, F-111, KC-135, P-2V, P-3, S-2, S-3, Lockheed Super Guppy, and countless copters. They were all loud, and we loved it. When we moved there, we knew it was an operating air station, and didn't complain.
I currently live 30 miles south of IAD's 1R, and enjoy identifying A/C as they pass (too far) overhead. My SO thinks I'm a bit nuts.....
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
Hey GOALLEGHENY...maybe you should live 20 miles from ORD instead of 10. Then you can listen to trains going by your house. There's a lot of those in the Chicago area. So complain about those, will ya?
Want cleaner transportation in your driveway? How bout a Schwinn? Pedal that down to the loop tomorrow morning.
Sorry guy, but the more noisy the planes the better I like them...problem for me is they are a thing of the past.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
Crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1594 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2130 times:
GoAllegheny, Could you please change your name? When I think Allegheny, I think CV-580's DC-9's & BAC-111's and the thrill they brought to me int he 1970's. A true aviation enthusiast should never complain about jet noise!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douglas7Seas From United States of America, joined May 2004, 129 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
Used to park on Aviation Blvd. at the end of the LAX runways back in the early 60's and watch the planes with my mom and dad. You know, BIG prop planes, brand new jets!!! There was one heck of a lot of noise, and it WAS FUN!!!
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
Whenever I'm in North Park, Hillcrest, Bankers' Hill, or downtown San Diego, I can always tell when FedEx is sending out one of their 727's - the familiar rumble is almost a thing of the past, and it does emphasize how quiet the new planes are.
If you really want to "hear" planes arriving and taking off, go spend some time at the corner of Laurel Street and Pacific Highway and you will see and hear it all.
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Those 727s are so loud! Whenever I'd be outside and hear a very loud aircraft I'd look up, and surely enough a T9 727! And I live in the University Hill neighborhood of Syracuse, a good eight miles away from the airport!
Eric777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1855 times:
I watch Mets baseball games on TV and once in a while the planes flying over Shea from LGA just don't seem as loud as they were a few years ago when you had 727s , DC9s, and older 737s there. You used to see the hitters, pitchers, umps, fielders, coaches, and fans all looking up often. It used to drown out the broadcasters' dialogue. Nowadays, the planes just don't seem so loud.
GoCOgo From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 701 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1739 times:
Quoting GoAllegheny (Reply 9): OK, that is going too far. I live 10 miles from ORD and the planes (mainly older 747s at this point) still are noisy at times. Does that make me a NIMBY? No, it makes me someone who supports noise and environment standards for cleaner, quieter engines so that both nearby residents and the airport can coexist in relative peace
Nothing wrong with wanting quieter aircraft. Someone who opposes airport expansion at every turn, someone who makes ridiculous demands, like that airports should be closed 2200-600, someone who moves next to an airport for the cheap property values, then demands airport change, pretending that that didn't know that in the future there might be more flights and the need for expansion, those are NIMBYs. Just saying aircraft can be noisy does not make you a NIMBY.
"Why you fly is your business, how you fly is ours"
FlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6297 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 1677 times:
Just a few minutes ago heard a nice loud engine takeoff over my house. Must of have been cargo thinking DC-10 DC-8? I can tell the difference between some engine sounds. I know when the IB 742 leaves MIA because its the loudest plane in the evening. Its always nice to hear that 747 a maybe25 seconds and than see it appear over the trees and over the house.
Once I was napping around 23:00 and hear a loud rumble. I thought this plane was crashing! I was just waiting the whole house shook.
"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 1619 times:
I was blessed with a childhood living around ANC, lake hood and merril field. I got the whole range of a/c on a regular basis. I can still think back to the NW 747 cargo is silver taking off over the house on 24R, or the range of beavers and cubs on floats coming over. But it was the biggest treat to see the military aircraft coming over from Elmendorf AFB. The f-15s, c-5s and E-3 always got my appreciation.
I moved to a smaller town with tons of bushplanes and i live not 400 yards from the airport and enjoy hearing the reverse thrust on the daily AS 732combi or the roar of the 730am Herc cargo plane.
It will be a wonder when I get old if I dont have a damaged neck from looking to the sky so much.
25 Glidepath73: Hi! I loved that really noisy jet sound of the old B707 and DC-8's. My goodness, it was really cool to watch them on final approach. Just impressive.
26 Jeffry747: Nothing gets my chest thumping like the deep whine of a 747-100 with its JT-9s at full blast. And what happened to the days when airplanes needed the
27 LPLAspotter: Nothing like being 150 ft from the Concorde when it lights up its afterburners for takeoff. I've witnessed this several times here at LPLA (TER). Jamm
28 Newkai: Mostly true, but there's a bit of upsizing going on too. The biggest downsizers were AA and UA after 9/11, and US downsizing to RJs on the PIT flight