Gr8SlvrFlt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1608 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5588 times:
For a time in the 70s and 80s Eastern boarded more passengers a year than any airline "in the free world." Only Aeroflot carried more. However, Eastern's average stage length was quite low so they never had the greatest RPMs.
Eastern also had hubs as PHL, CLT, MCI, IAH and SJU, though not all at once.
Eastern was the first large American carrier to post a profit and was consistently the most profitable airline from the 30s to the 50s.
727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6565 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5430 times:
That website doesn't even get the shutdown date correct!! January 18th, not 16th, 1991
You have to remember, back in the 60s and 70s and early 80s, airlines really didn't have HUBS, more like large bases of operations. I think EA's only true hubs were ATL, MCI, PHL, IAH, but they had large bases at LGA, EWR, BOS, JFK, DCA, ORD, STL, CLT, TPA, MCO, MIA, FLL, SJU
Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5357 times:
1985 and 1986, Eastern boarded more passengers than any other carrier except AeroFlot. Feb 1991 they were no more....,.I think that is a powerful statement to anyone who thinks their company, airline or not, is invincible.
If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
Wayfarer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5248 times:
Quoting Psa53 (Reply 9): Yes.I was sadden when I heard of the Eastern shutdown.
Yes.. everyone was shocked. That was on Friday night. The next day, USAToday newspaper - they do not publish Saturday and Sunday editions - but they did Saturday edition after EA's shutdown on Friday night ..
Their hubs were MIA, LGA, ATL, am I missing any? Was JFK one?
Which of their hubs were they the dominant carrier at?
[Edited 2005-06-29 18:44:00]
As pointed out, airservice back in the 70s and 80s was more point to point oriented, and less about hubs, but Eastern did have some rather impressive operations at the following cities....
ATL was a major hub for EA.
Eastern also had a major focus city at CLT, connections were available at CLT for cities such as CHS, SAV, JAX, CAE and others in the Carolinas.
PHL was also a focus city, Eastern moved passengers from Montreal, Toronto and upstate NY cities via PHL to destinations in Florida and the Southeast.
Large operations at LGA, JFK and EWR (including of course the BOS-LGA-DCA shuttle).
Eastern was a major player at all FLorida airports: MCO (EA was the first official airline of Walt Disney World), PBI, FLL and MIA were very big stations....MIA took on even more importance after EA acquired South American route authorities from Braniff.
Major stations at MSY and IAH with primarily east coast destinations; however, at a certain point, EA did open up routes from IAH to the west coast.
And, when Eastern looked westward (at this point the airline was already in trouble), Eastern established a hub at Kansas City to move pax from east to west and west to east.....it was not a very compreshensive hub, it focused on connection major east and west coast cities and was not very successful.
Finally, dont forget that EA had a huge operation at SJU, flying from mainly east coast US cities including Miami to SJU.
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5175 times:
Eastern was the free world's largest airline from about 1982 thru 1985. At the time EA had true hubs only in ATL and MIA with smaller hub like operations at MCI, CLT and IAH. SJU, LGA, EWR, PHL, DCA, TPA, MCO, and FLL were very large focus cities dependent mostly on O&D traffic. In 1986 and 1987 a late night connecting hub was attempted at O'Hare but the weather delays took its toll on the operation.
Eastern's demise though long in the making was pretty rapid. As late as 1987 Eastern was still as large if not larger than Delta. By March 1989 the airline had stopped flying entirely because of a strike, and the airline though reconstituted with Frank Lorenzo's strike breakers employed never came close to regaining its former size of pre March 1989. Lorenzo actually believed he could bring Eastern back to nearly full size and blundered badly. Instead of selling assets quickly and regaining some capitol he attempted to rebuild the airline quickly and brought back many of the structural defects in EA's route system. By the time Lorenzo was stripped of contol by the bankrupcy court in 1990 EA was sure to die.
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5090 times:
I should also point out that EA's true hub at miami really began when Ea absorbed Braniff's Latin American division in 1982. Prior to that Miami was simply a huge focus city, while serving as a hub for Pan Am who actually had less dailies than EA, but far more connecting opportunities.
BigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2940 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4846 times:
I loved flying Eastern however my last Eastern flight was terrible. It was MIA-LAX on an L10 circa 1989. The interior was dirty, showing wear, ripped fabric on the seats, and there were cockroaches scurrying about. At that point I knew they were no longer the Eastern Airlines I once knew and loved.
Cairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4835 times:
I have to say that part of what EA and the other legacies were doing in the 70s is part of the explanation as to why the legacies aren't doing well right now. No one particularly wants to change planes in DFW, ORD or ATL, point to point service is more desirable.
From IAH in the 70s I used to take EA L-1011s and A300s to JFK and back again and the meal was almost always 'steak or lobster?'---in coach. EA served several cities in Texas from IAH nonostop, like ELP, SAT, CRP, and others, as well as flying to its traditional home markets in New York and the eastern seaboard. In those days airlines served routes where [they at least thought] passengers wanted to fly, not everything had to go through a hub.
EA lost out to superior revenue management and the hub philosophy that took hold in the late 80s, and, ironically, may again be on its decline.
NASCARAirforce From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4602 times:
The 1989 number for MIA seems low as hell. I could swear I remember seeing a lot of Eastern operations when I was at MIA in 1990.
I remember flying on Eastern in 1986, when they were still the official airline of Disney. I flew DTW-ATL on a 727, then ATL-MCO on another 727, then MCO-ATL on a 727, ATL-DTW on a DC-9.
i recall the planes being kind of dirty and worn down back then. The food was terrible on the leg between DTW-ATL both ways (between MCO-ATL was just peanuts) , but that was back in the days when you still got food.
I recall seeing a lot of Eastern widebodies at MCO in 1986. I recall seeing both L1011s and A300s around MCO and wondering where they came from (being that I just came from ATL on a 727).
Does anyone remember the Eastern ride at the Magic Kingdom? It was in Tomorrowland I believe, near where Space Mountain is. I think they replaced the ride with that interactive ride that is there now- i forgot what movie it was based on, but its similar to the Men in Black ride at Universal where you have to shoot at aliens/monsters or something.
AirScoot From United States of America, joined May 2005, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4550 times:
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 21): Does anyone remember the Eastern ride at the Magic Kingdom? It was in Tomorrowland I believe, near where Space Mountain is. I think they replaced the ride with that interactive ride that is there now- i forgot what movie it was based on, but its similar to the Men in Black ride at Universal where you have to shoot at aliens/monsters or something.
The name of the ride was "If You Had Wings" and it was near the entrance to the Carousel of Progress (sponsored by GE). Delta took the ride over briefly when they took over the "official airline" status from Eastern and called it "DreamFlight". Both carriers had a representative ready to take reservations from riders at unload. When I worked at Disney in the early 90's there was some discussion as to what they were going to do with the space after Delta left.
DB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4530 times:
Quoting Stirling (Reply 19): Quoting DB777 (Reply 18):
That number for MIA seems high as hell. I presume that it included code-share flights on Naples Airlines/PBA?
Nope. Those are all Mainline. I will provide a breakdown later.
I'd love to see it because in 1972 the E-Satellite wasn't open yet and EA had considerably fewer gates to use on half of Concourse B (the newer half was built in the late 70's/early 80's), C and half of old D. After BN went bust in the early 80's EA started South American/Central American service on former BN routes and still their daily flights were only in the low 100's with a lot more gates to use on the new half of B, new-D and the E-Satellite. I just can't imagine EA doing fast turns on the limited number of gates that were available in 1972.
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: Prior to deregulation Ea flew several point to point flights from MIA and FLL to cities such as Greensboro, Birminghma and Buffalo that were not serve