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User currently offlineBoeing727 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 955 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6188 times:

How many Qantas aircraft are usually in LAX...???

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User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6132 times:

About 7-12 a/c are there. But depends on the time of the day as to really how many are there.

Sean from MCO and MKE



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6077 times:

i started a thread on this a while ago and i think the consensus was that there are usually 4 and on rare occasions, 5 there at the same time.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5962 times:

Aren't QF's LAX routes its most profitable? I've heard they make loads of cash on LAX-MEL, LAX-SYD and LAX-AKL


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5936 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 3):
Aren't QF's LAX routes its most profitable? I've heard they make loads of cash on LAX-MEL, LAX-SYD and LAX-AKL

Yeah, don't forget SYD-LAX-JFK aswell!

Quick question - If you travel from AKL to LAX on QF, can you then transfer at LAX for the flight to JFK?

Isnt the Kangaroo route also one of the most profitable routes for QF?

Will QF ever start SFO!

Rob!


User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5885 times:

From what I've seen posted here in the past, you can only fly LAX-JFK on Qantas if you originate in Australia. You cannot purchase a LAX-JFK ticket on Qantas. Youl could also fly JFK-LAX, if you continued on to SYD.

Now...if you wanted to waste the money...or rather had the cash at your disposal...you could buy a JFK-LAX-SYD ticket...and just "miss" your connection to SYD, and visa-versa.... Smile


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5814 times:

S12PPL, slight correction, you can use the JFK-LAX v.v. sector on Qantas so long as your flight immediately before or immediately after is a Qantas international service. The country of origin is irrelevant, so a person on a oneworld ticket from Peru could use this, or any other Qantas service including codeshares inside the USA. You are totally correct that the JFK-LAX v.v can't be purchased individuallly as cabotage is not allowed on this route. You are allowed to stopover too. So in response the the question about using the service from AKL, you can. Indeed, QF introduced more flights ex AKL to connect with the JFK service.

User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

Trolley, Thanks for the correction Smile I knew I was somewhere close, but wasn't too sure on the exact details. That's pretty intersting, though... As long as you continue on from JFK to Europe or so on a One World partner, you are ok to fly LAX-JFK on QF???

User currently offlinePassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

If you purchase a ticket with a connection in JFK, from any point outside the US, you can do the QF flight from JFK-LAX. It would be neccessary to conjunct the ticket. Non-REvers can use this flight with no limitations and QF is very good with our airline about supplying passes for this flight.

User currently offlineJaybird From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5759 times:
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Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Will QF ever start SFO!

QANTAS use to fly SFO/HNL/Australia .. I flew HNL/SFO/HNL on a pass in 1992 .. not sure when they discontinued the service.


User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5751 times:

No. Inbound traffic must have arrived in the USA on QF. Outbound must depart USA on QF. Although a stopover is allowed in LA when using QF's JFK-LAX service, the QF connection must be the flight immediately before or after the domestic sector in the PNR. So long as these rules are met, anyone from any country can use these flights.  Smile

So if you fly SYD-LAX-JFK all on QF, you can connect onto an LA flight to Lima for example. You couldn't do LIM-JFK on LA, JFK-LAX on QF then LAX-NRT on AA, for example.


User currently offlinePassBureauMgr From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5724 times:

A few years back, it was not uncommon for Non-Revers to use
Air NewZeland Flights from LAX to HNL, or Korean Air flights from SFO to HNL or Japan Airlines or Phillippine Airlines to Honolulu from the coast.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Will QF ever start SFO!

They used to fly to SFO until UA entered the market and they couldn't compete since SFO is one of UA's largest hubs.

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):

Isnt the Kangaroo route also one of the most profitable routes for QF?

Correct


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Quoting United Airline (Reply 12):
They used to fly to SFO until UA entered the market and they couldn't compete since SFO is one of UA's largest hubs.

UA started the SFO-SYD route AFTER QF dropped the route. If an airline has a good product, then I belive they will not have a problem competing. CX and SQ compete with UA on the HKG route with no problems.



John@SFO
User currently offlineN471WN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1581 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5663 times:
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Qantas made a serious strategic error when they dropped SFO-SYD. United has that market all to itself with very high load factors. Qantas thought that Northern California passengers would fly first to LAX and then change carriers and transfer over to Qantas. Like maybe that was real easy to do. United has a cash cow in their SFO-SYD route all to themselves while everyone who flies into LAX sees 5 Qantas 747's parked there and just wonders how Qantas could be so stupid.

User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3134 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5611 times:

Quoting Dbba (Reply 14):
United has a cash cow in their SFO-SYD route all to themselves while everyone who flies into LAX sees 5 Qantas 747's parked there and just wonders how Qantas could be so stupid.

Not everyone wonders this. Qantas has all those 744's flying to LAX because they can dump all their passengers onto AA which has a much larger operation at LAX than at SFO. It's all about connections and codeshares and don't forget that virtualy all those 744's that QF flies to LAX are carrying healthy loads of passengers and cargo as well.


User currently offlineRichardJF From New Zealand, joined Mar 2001, 792 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5558 times:

I guess part of the problem for QF is that they realise if they started SFO it would be a popular idea for many Australians as an entry point to the US and would undermine the profitability of LAX.

User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

Irony is that once upon a time QF's only US mainland destination was SFO.

User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

Quoting RichardJF (Reply 16):
I guess part of the problem for QF is that they realise if they started SFO it would be a popular idea for many Australians as an entry point to the US and would undermine the profitability of LAX.

In reality who would want to transit through LAX unless they really have to? What a horrible airport! If there's a direct flight to SFO I'd take that any day! (I have had the QF experience of flying to LAX then a horrible transit onto AA to SFO - ironically that flight on an AA MD80 was probably my best flight ever)

Does anyone know what the loadings are like on the QF LAX-JFK sector? I still don't get why QF started this one instead of dumping them at LAX for an AA service to NYC.



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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3134 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5474 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 18):
In reality who would want to transit through LAX unless they really have to?

As I said above, the SFO presence of AA for connections is far, far smaller compared to LAX. It is far easier for QF to fly large numbers of passengers into LAX to meet connecting AA flights to multiple cities than what it is to fly direct to SFO with really no presence for feed. Basically LAX is like a Oneworld focus city for QF/AA the same as SFO is dominated by United and Star.


User currently offline777XI From United States of America, joined May 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5455 times:

Where do the majority of the QF passengers connect on to while flying with AA?

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User currently offlineOnedude From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5379 times:

Quoting 777XI (Reply 20):
Where do the majority of the QF passengers connect on to while flying with AA?

Majority is Mid West and East Coast. Stats I saw a few years ago stated that 2 in 3 Qantas pax arrive/depart on AA at LAX. It's a healthy figure.

SFO derives a lot more leisure traffic than LAX as well, with regard to the abovementioned conversation. QF have often considered returning, however as an O&D destination it doesn't stack up financially. Also considered was a return to YVR via SFO however this was also scrapped.

For the topic starter - if you don't know why QF has split their operation at LAX between T4 and TBIT, if they give up their slots at TBIT they might never get them back again. The customer experience at T4 is seen as far more desirable which is why the flights to/from SYD and most of Melbourne are from here, and BNE/AKL remain at TBIT.

Cheers


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11819 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Quoting Dbba (Reply 14):
Qantas made a serious strategic error when they dropped SFO-SYD. United has that market all to itself with very high load factors.

Not at all. QF made a very smart decision to consolidate and dominate -- and they do -- a single market, LAX, and feed all their onward connecting passengers on to AA flighst there. While SFO may be a healthy market, QF can easily dominate LAX-Australia and transfer passengers to SFO onto AA flights at LAX.

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 18):
In reality who would want to transit through LAX unless they really have to? What a horrible airport!

It's not that bad at all, especially if you are going to SYD or arriving from SYD. The MD80 lands from SFO into T4, and you walk a few gates, maybe from 43 or 44 over to 40, to board your QANTAS 747 to SYD. On the return, the 747 lands into LAX T4, you go through customs there, in the terminal, reenter security upstairs, and proceed to your gate. It really isn't that arduous.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 19):
It is far easier for QF to fly large numbers of passengers into LAX to meet connecting AA flights to multiple cities than what it is to fly direct to SFO with really no presence for feed.

Exactly. The numbers of QF passengers going to SYD does not justify QF dedicating 2-3 entire 747 aircraft to that route when it can simply add more and more frequency to LAX and fly people on to SFO on AA flights.

Quoting 777XI (Reply 20):
Where do the majority of the QF passengers connect on to while flying with AA?

All over. The big ones are, not surprisingly, the biggest cities in the U.S. -- ORD, DFW, BOS, JFK, EWR, IAD, MIA, SFO, etc. QF also codeshares on AS flights from LAX to PDX, SEA and YVR to get access to the Pacific northwest.

Quoting Onedude (Reply 21):
Majority is Mid West and East Coast. Stats I saw a few years ago stated that 2 in 3 Qantas pax arrive/depart on AA at LAX. It's a healthy figure.

No doubt about it, QF and AA do quite well by each other at LAX. QF contributes about $100M in revenue to AA's bottom line annually, and I'm sure that the same is roughly true in reverse for AA's assistance to QF's financial performance.


User currently offlineUA777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5321 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
Will QF ever start SFO!

While I agree that QF stepped out and UA stepped in, it's really hard to start up such a product again after having been out of the SFO-SYD race for so long. I think that with their LAX hub they are more than fine. With AA's code share there is no need for QF to actually start serving SFO with their own aircraft. All AA has to do is put a few more MD-80's to sleep up there.

Thanks,

Matt



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User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5318 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 22):
It's not that bad at all, especially if you are going to SYD or arriving from SYD. The MD80 lands from SFO into T4, and you walk a few gates, maybe from 43 or 44 over to 40, to board your QANTAS 747 to SYD. On the return, the 747 lands into LAX T4, you go through customs there, in the terminal, reenter security upstairs, and proceed to your gate. It really isn't that arduous.

Ah, so it must be the time I went thru then. I was on the BNE-AKL-LAX flight (although only from AKL). Landed into T4, long walk to customs, 1 hour queue, collected baggage, had to go to the horrible T3, very long security queue, and finally inside that horrible terminal . . . never again through LAX unless I absolutely have to!

(Not travelling to the US unless I absolutely have to either . . . when I go to Canada again it'll either be AC direct to YVR or a long flight via Asia, anything to avoid American customs)



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25 BigGSFO : It's a different experience now. All of AA's flights are in T4 - no more T3 for intra-California/regional mainline flying (thank God). IMO, it's quic
26 Commavia : Absolutely. AA's flights all now arrive and depart from T4. AA has absolutely no operations in T3. I, too, have done both, and I completely concur. T
27 Sydscott : Plus AA's terminal isn't equipped to handle that many 747's at the same time and continue their normal operations. If the space was there I'm sure QF
28 BoeingFever777 : How many times has this topic been posted on? Do ppl not know how to use the search button?
29 Speedbrds : Living near LAX, I go their at least twice a month and always see at least 4 Qantas 744.
30 Modesto2 : Most times when I fly into LAX, there are at least 4 QF 744's parked near the hangers between the north and south complex.
31 ARGinLON : Does QF uses its own equipment on the LAXJFK leg or is codeshare with AA? I am checking my res system and it shows codeshare flights on 762s only
32 COEWRNJ : QF uses their own equipment I believe 3 days a week with a 744.
33 Southpaw8669 : QF flies Wednesday, Friday and Sunday into JFK with their own 744. Eric
34 Post contains links and images SFORunner : View Large View MediumPhoto © Derek Hellmann
35 N1120A : It is never that many. The most is 5-6 Yes they are the most profitable. Fully 40% of QF's profits are derived from LAX flights. Remember as well, th
36 ZK-NBT : The AKL-LAX flight doesn't arrive in time to connect to the JFK service, QF did have a second service ex AKL before but it was dropped as the aircraft
37 Aussie747 : I beg to differ you can only fly the QF metal flights 107/108 LAX-JFK-LAX if originating to/from a Qantas flight due to uplift restrictions. You can
38 VH-KCT* : OK so SFORunner's photo shows 4 QF 744s waiting at LAX for departures later on. Where would each one have gone? And would they all have left within a
39 Aussie747 : On that monday there would have been four flights from Australia / New Zealand (2 from SYD / 1 from Melbourne and Auckland) Over the 2005 Northern Sum
40 Ikramerica : There was a non-stop SFO-SYD flight in the late 80s, which I was on. They didn't go to LAX directly because LAX was further away by a few miles, out
41 Quig : Why don't they fly to JFK daily ?
42 777STL : I believe the majority of the flights depart between 8PM and 12 AM. That way they land in Oz at 6 or 7AM in the morning depending on where they're go
43 N1120A : A stopover traveller could use it No market for it Hmm, perhaps that is what the 74L was for?
44 Miami1 : Just for a bit of information, i attended the Qantas strategy day on wednesday night and John Borghetti said that Qantas would return to SanFrancisco
45 Aussie747 : Well that is fantastic news, I have one question where are they going to get the 744's to operate them. They don't exactly have spare 744's floating
46 N471WN : Well now how do all of you feel who in this thread (and others) have opined that Qantas was so smart in just doing LAX....all that Qantas needed to fi
47 Miami1 : Thats a very good question. He did talk about a new aircraft order and the contenders but they have not made any decision, maybe they would juggle ano
48 BigGSFO : As the economy and tourism slowly rebounds in the Bay Area, I tend to agree that opportunity exists for QF to return to SFO. SFO still has a large amo
49 Commavia : Can anyone else confirm that QF is looking to launch SFO with its own metal anytime soon? The question is: will QF protect their LAX flights, at the e
50 Sydscott : So more services to LAX and a return to Vancouver. Vancouver was only a matter of time as Air Canada is doing great business on the route. It'll be i
51 Commavia : An interesting prospect. If QF really is that interesting in flying its own metal to both cities over routing passengers onto connecting AA/AS flight
52 Ikramerica : Three countries means more complicated transfers, though they could theoretically sell seats individually on the SFO-Vancouver portion, no? Or is ther
53 Commavia : It depends on the U.S.-Canada bilateral and the U.S.-Australia bilateral. I am not positive about any of this -- so please anyone correct me if I'm w
54 N1120A : Probably not considering the massive amount of O&D No it doesn't. With the 744ER unrestricted or the 744 restricted, QF can fly the route non-stop bo
55 Jacobin777 : lol...living in The Bay Area..I know many who would agree with you!! and that is probably why they wanted to go with the 777's!!
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