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JAL Boeing Order - 6 767-300's  
User currently offlineUnited777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1657 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8632 times:

JAL has ordered six Boeing 767-300ERS and includes three cargo version.

I can't wait to see the 767-300F in JAL's cargo aircraft livery.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050630/sfth026.html?.v=18

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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8612 times:

So I guess that this is the UFO order for 6 767s that was already on Boeing's website?
Interesting to see that JAL has the need to get some more pax 763s such a short time before they will get their first 787s. But a good order nonethless Big grin .


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4147 posts, RR: 90
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8609 times:
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Seems Mr Mulally was right. Be interesting to see what other orders Boeing get to keep production running at the required level.

[Edit] No it's not the Unidentified order. 3 of those are for LAN, not sure of the other. This is a new order yet to be booked I believe

Regards

[Edited 2005-06-30 10:44:26]


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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6895 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8521 times:

I assume GE will get the engine order?

User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8476 times:

According to JL's website, they mention acquiring only 3 aircraft. Perhaps the other three are options.
Three will come in Fiscal 2007 which means delivery from April 2007, which seems kind of far out to be ordering an aircraft that may not be in production by then. I hope this is some typo or is Boeing going to build the aircraft and spend time in storage?

In other JL news, it will increase HND-GMP flying from one daily to two daily in Nov. 2005 with a 747.


User currently offlinePANAM_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4147 posts, RR: 90
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8425 times:
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From the article:

General Electric CF6-80C2 high-bypass turbofan engines will power the new airplanes.

Also interesting that they mention deliveries through to 2008.

Regards



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User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 819 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

i thought that the 767 was dead. Why order 767 freighters and not 772F when they already operate 777s?
wouldn't it make more sense to order 3 772 and switch them around with the current 767s to put them where the market/demand is needed?


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8102 times:

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 6):
Why order 767 freighters and not 772F when they already operate 777s?

Most likely because the 772LR is too big for JAL's needs, as well as too close to their 744F/SFs.


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7988 times:

With an EIS of 2008 for the 787, I am surprised they are getting 767 deliveries into 2008, unless those are for the frieghter version and not the pax.
They must have gotten a sweet deal on the 767.



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

Looks like the calls of an imminent death of the 767 were premature.
I think this will keep the 767 line alive long enough for the USAF KC-767A orders. Great news for everyone concerned.
 Big grin



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7875 times:

Quoting USAF336TFS (Reply 9):
Looks like the calls of an imminent death of the 767 were premature.
I think this will keep the 767 line alive long enough for the USAF KC-767A orders. Great news for everyone concerned.

Agreed, USAF already said that the tanker decision won't be made until 2008. If Boeing gets a few more 767 orders they can easily bridge the gap between the last commercial delivery and delivery's of the tanker to the USAF.



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7755 times:

JAL is a mystery. I wonder where they plan to operate the passenger airplanes. They are cutting back on flying right now. JAL is also not in the best financial shape either. Maybe they will replace older 767s in their fleet. In any event, I think they received a good offer from Boeing because 1. they are such a good customer and 2. Boeing needs to keep the line warm.

User currently offlineAirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
Agreed, USAF already said that the tanker decision won't be made until 2008. If

All the more off since Japan has a significant share in the 787 program.

The KC-767 wouldn't be so bad but when Boeing announced that they were going to sling P&W engines on it, something that the customer usually selects as did the only two customers for the KC-767 have in selecting GE engines, that really irked me because the USAF has a lot more GE engines than they do in P&W in their modern heavy lift community.

Something smells fishy to me, I never thought I would see another 767-300 order.


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7315 times:

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 14):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 10):
Agreed, USAF already said that the tanker decision won't be made until 2008. If

All the more off since Japan has a significant share in the 787 program.

Yes, and they may need some more aircraft, who knows, perhaps even tankers to meet new international requirements.



User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

why do they order 767-300's, when they are replacing them soon? i can say that they need the planes but in the future lots of 767's will come available at the Second-hand market, there are actually already some scrapped...


but think about the airlines dropping them or at least some, like UAL, Vietnam, Eva, KLM (although they already found a new home after phase out), air china (lots from them since A330's will arive) , and in the not so far future there will be way more available...

[Edited 2005-06-30 17:33:42]

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7210 times:

At this moment worldwide 72 B767s are parked.

Around 400 of 900 B767s flying around are lease aircraft.

Apart from JAL Boeing has a backlog of 13 767's. 8 were build in 2004.

Deliveries to JAL will begin in 2007 and run through early 2008.

JAL will receive 787's from 2008 replacing 767's.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6972 times:

No surprise here!!!!!!!!!The A300-600F is a better freighter , as it can carry more cargo , and thus is more economical as a regional freighter as JAL will use their new planes in this way.So no need of range.
Fleet communality with their 767s PAX..hum..........
Even if they plan to phase out their A300-600s PAX , it's not for today , but for the day after tomorrow , thus A300-600Fs would have been a better choice for them...........but JAL will stay JAL , and Airbus has not still reaches the point where they will be able to sell planes to the Japanese carrier.
They have to be patient , as Asian people know.


User currently offlineSNATH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3238 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6428 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/...05/photorelease/q2/pr_050630g.html



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User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2490 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6386 times:

No surprise here!!!!!!!!!The A300-600F is a better freighter , as it can carry more cargo , and thus is more economical as a regional freighter as JAL will use their new planes in this way.So no need of range.
Fleet communality with their 767s PAX..hum..........
Even if they plan to phase out their A300-600s PAX , it's not for today , but for the day after tomorrow , thus A300-600Fs would have been a better choice for them...........but JAL will stay JAL , and Airbus has not still reaches the point where they will be able to sell planes to the Japanese carrier.


why were they interrested in the A380 then  Wink

also the 767 will be used on Routes wich the A300 can't make without a stop-over


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6308 times:

Maurice B

Which routes the A300-600F can't reach , JAL would like to operate ?


User currently offlineDAYflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 19):
At this moment worldwide 72 B767s are parked.

Around 400 of 900 B767s flying around are lease aircraft.

Apart from JAL Boeing has a backlog of 13 767's. 8 were build in 2004.

Deliveries to JAL will begin in 2007 and run through early 2008.

JAL will receive 787's from 2008 replacing 767's

Which is precisely why the orders are also a mystery to me too. Normally we did not see eye-to-eye, but in this case I think we do.



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User currently offlineACVitale From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 922 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5808 times:

How many of the 72 parked 767's are 200 series and how many are 300 series.

I would love to find some parked 300ERs any thoughts if they exist?

Did not think so.


User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 23):

Which routes the A300-600F can't reach , JAL would like to operate ?

Long range, speciality work that JAL handles quite a lot of.

There is a massive trade at premium prices in long distance carriage for items which are either valuable (electronics for instance) or alive (horses) that are normally flown by aircraft such as the MD-11 or 747F. Japan imports and exports huge amounts of horses in particular, and the 763F is potentially a better fit than a larger MD-11 for that job. The A306F would need to make additional stops and that means time lost or stress for the animals, some of which are worth millions.

It's some of the work that they do which I have noticed anyway. The other is palletised electronics for just-in-time operations. The LD3 isn't as much of an issue when the freight is palletised or loaded door-to-door in speciality containers. Neither example is particularly dense either meaning the lift of the 772F is not necessary.


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5599 times:

Whitehatter

JAL has bought these 767Fs , ONLY for REGIONAL routes (primarily for China and South East Asia , no way to put these planes on routes to Europe or USA), to avoid making stops.Where a 747F is used for two cities as it is too big for only one , they prefer to put two medium freighters , one on each city.
In that case A300-600F is more economical.No way to speak of range here.


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4612 times:

It is very surprising to see Japan Airlines, which is a very good airline, ordering the 767 when the 787 isn't that far down the pike. Might it be a favor to Boeing, based on the desire to maintain a long standing good relationship? That's possible, a symbol of support for the company that been the primary provider of the airline's airplanes. Then too, Japan Airlines just might feel the need for a few more 767's even if they do come into service just prior to the arrival of the 787.

With regard to the 767s now in storage in various parts of the world, the photos I've seen have shown -200 models only.



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25 Carpethead : The 787 isn't offered as a freighter yet. JAL (Int'l) for some reason doesn't like Airbus's products. Therefore the competition was 763F vs. AB6F. Gue
26 N270ft : Will the PAX 763's be fitted with the interior and flight deck that was origianally designed for the 767-400ER, like CO's 762's. A.W.
27 TokyoNarita : The cargo demand within Asia is very high especially between Japan and Korea/China. ANA/NCA has been running B763F already from NRT to these countries
28 MD-90 : Now why would Japan be exporting a lot of horses?
29 PolAir : Because they have some of the best breeders in the world maybe...
30 Fyano773 : Maybe because 772LRF will be available till 2009 (2008 4Q) and JL needs them ASAP... Fyano
31 Ha763 : Pallet space is more important for JAL Cargo than container space. Most of JAL Cargo's cargo uses M1 pallets and very few M1 containers for main deck
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