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Next City In China To Get A Non-stop To Europe?  
User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6135 times:

PEK, PVG, CAN and HKG all have a lot of non-stop flights to Europe on different airlines. (Am I missing any?)

What will be the next city to get one? Maybe Chongqing (CKG), Tianjin (TSN), Qingdao (TAO), Shenzhen (SZX) or Xiamen (XMN)? On which airline?

My guess is on CKG or TSN, hopefully on AY.


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User currently offlineOly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6821 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6046 times:

Chengdu seems the most likely to become a hub airport for central China according to this article.

http://www.seaskyad.com/ad@cca_engli...206_special_articles/article13.htm

Whether that means it will see longhauls to Europe is another matter entirely.



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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

I would think Chongqing or Shenzhen would be tops, with Chengdu coming in a decade or so.

First priority is to increase the number of PEK and PVG flights.

Any word on how CO's EWR-PEK is doing? ($$!)


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5921 times:

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 2):
I would think Chongqing or Shenzhen would be tops, with Chengdu coming in a decade or so

Shenzhen?  Wow!  Confused I would imagine it is too close to both CAN and HKG to need any direct flights to Europe.

What about north-eastern China like Harbin?

Let's not forget Chinese tend to return home for business and visit relatives quite a lot, so wherever there's a high overseas Chinese population, there'll probably be demand for a direct flight to China and of course the people's home cities.



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6621 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

Shenzhen is certainly growing. Not sure about Europe flights, but SQ now fly there, as do a few of the other Asian airlines.

User currently offlineNYCA330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Thread starter):
Tianjin (TSN), Qingdao (TAO), Shenzhen (SZX)

Tianjin is very close to Beijing (1.5 hrs?) Shenzhen is close to Guangzhou and Hong Kong, so why would either of these places get flights?

here is a map showing Shenzhen's proximity to HKG:
http://www.maps-of-china.com/shenzhen-ow.shtml

I dont know if there are visa issues, flying into HKG to go to Shenzhen, but probably not...

edit: add map

[Edited 2005-07-01 08:52:59]

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5279 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5777 times:

The ferry from shenzhen to HKIA is under an hour, so I doubt Shenzhen will get direct flights. Does it even have an international airport?

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4509 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5744 times:

Lufthansa and Austrian are actively looking for additional destinations in China. I think Xiamen has explicitly been mentioned. I would imagine that other European carriers, for sure AF/KL, are keeping their eyes open as well.

User currently offlineVORFMD From Austria, joined Feb 2005, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Austrian is looking into Services from Vienna to Chengdu.

User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5675 times:

I've been several times to Chengdu in the past years and, seeing the growing number of business there with european companies, I think it will be the next chinese town linked non-stop to Europe.


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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5627 times:

Adding to the list, Urumqi (China) is already linked to Moscow (Europe).

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5612 times:

i heard Chengdu for LH as well. and some other city. i would not count out direct services to SZX in the future. despite its promixity to both HKG and CAN, the city lies in the Pearl-River-Delta which is probably the fastest economically growing region in the world, with 19% GDP growth p.a.

SZX has got an international airport and serves many cargo airlines. Lufthansa Cargo is involved in a Chinese start-up joint venture called Jade Cargo which will start serving some Asian markets from SZX. the start was pushed back till fall, i think, due to some issues with aircraft ownership IIRC.

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

I highly doubt that Tianjin is in the high priority list. To get a rough idea what the next Chinese city could, try looking at the cities SQ, MH & MI are flying now (i.e. medium-range sectors) and Tianjin is not one of them.

My money is on Chengdu or Xiamen.


User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Quoting NYCA330 (Reply 5):
here is a map showing Shenzhen's proximity to HKG:
http://www.maps-of-china.com/shenzhe...shtml



Quoting ANstar (Reply 6):
The ferry from shenzhen to HKIA is under an hour, so I doubt Shenzhen will get direct flights. Does it even have an international airport?

Yes, it's very close, I flew PEK-SZX when I was going to Hong Kong and took the ferry. But the problem is, SZX and Hong Kong are on different "visa zones" and there are customs and immigration in between them. People usually don't like to clear them twice, if there is possibility to do it only once.

Singapore Airlines if flying to both HKG and SZX, by the way. (Yes, it's not a long-haul flight but still.)

Quoting VORFMD (Reply 8):
Austrian is looking into Services from Vienna to Chengdu.

This is getting interesting! Maybe the next city in fact will be Chengdu.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 10):
Adding to the list, Urumqi (China) is already linked to Moscow (Europe).

Really? I couldn't find the flight on OAG even though it should include all the airlines. I have to check the Aeroflot timetable I have back home.



AY and ANA rock!
User currently offlineAndie007 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 874 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Chongqing had a weekly LTU-nonstop service in the past (from Duesseldorf, Germany).

But my vote for a new nonstop connection between Europe and China goes to Shenzhen...  Smile


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33083 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5440 times:

Quoting UpperDeck79 (Reply 13):
Quoting Dalavia (Reply 10):
Adding to the list, Urumqi (China) is already linked to Moscow (Europe).

Really? I couldn't find the flight on OAG even though it should include all the airlines. I have to check the Aeroflot timetable I have back home.

Urumqi has no Moscow service, but it does have service to Novosibirsk, in Russia.



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User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5421 times:

According to the website http://travel.airwise.com/schedules/, there is a current (July 2005) bi-weekly flight Urumqi - Moscow (Sheremetyevo) with China Southern Airlines (who took over the China Xinjiang Airlines flight that used to exist). The flight CZ6001 leaves Urumqi every Wednesday and Sunday at 6:55pm, arriving at Sheremetyevo at 7:55pm after a 5 hour non-stop flight. The plane is a 752.

My old OAG from 2002 shows the flight as weekly with China Xinjiang Airlines, flight XO701, also with a 752, but 8:40pm to 20:25pm.

I agree that Shenzhen is the next likely city to get flight to/from Europe. It may be close to CAN and HKG, but it has a major economic life of its own, and average annual growth has exceeded 20% for each of the past 20 years or so.

[Edited 2005-07-01 16:42:12]

User currently offlineUpperDeck79 From Finland, joined Feb 2005, 1139 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 15):

Urumqi has no Moscow service, but it does have service to Novosibirsk, in Russia.

And Novosibirsk is in the Asian part of Russia, not in Europe.

Quoting Dalavia (Reply 16):
According to the website http://travel.airwise.com/schedules/, there is a current (July 2005) bi-weekly flight Urumqi - Moscow (Sheremetyevo) with China Southern Airlines (who took over the China Xinjiang Airlines flight that used to exist). The flight CZ6001 leaves Urumqi every Wednesday and Sunday at 6:55pm, arriving at Sheremetyevo at 7:55pm after a 5 hour non-stop flight. The plane is a 752.

Thanks for the info! If that is correct.



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