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Finally! Johannesburg-Bangkok Nonstop On TG A346  
User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5517 times:

About 3 years after SA stopped service JNB-BKK on their 747SP's, TG is resuming the service 3 Dec on their new 3 class A340-600. This will probably be a code-share flight with SA as SA is going into the Star Alliance.

Schedule:

BKK-JNB 0015 - 0620 Monday, Wednesday, Saturday
JNB-BKK 1345 - 0545 Monday, Wednesday, Saturday

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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5416 times:

TG had first announced that this service would run with MD11 equipment. I guess they've come to their senses and realized that the MD11 in the configuaration it is right now is not really the appropriate equipment to market this new service with. Still, I will only believe this when I see it, as TG has previously several times announced this service - last time around they talked about daily B744 service. Nevertheless, the schedule's being published seems to be an indicator that they're really planning to start this time.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5409 times:

I thought that this was going to be an MD11 service.

With JNB, MEL and AKL listed as getting the A346, does anyone know on which routes the MD11 will be redeployed??


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5310 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5288 times:

Hi from Sunny Fiji!  Smile

I hope AKL is still getting the A346? They are only getting 6 and I had heard that AKL would go daily at the end of this year.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5273 times:

M*W*F** 6:30p BKK 1 10:30a+1 AKL I TG 989 Non-stop M11 11:00 Effective Jul 18

By the looks of things, I'm guessing BKK-AKL will probably go daily with the refurbished MD11.

Not a bad move IMO.

It looks like AKL will be delinked from both SYD and BNE by Feb 2006.

At around 285 seats, I think TG will do well on non-stop services.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2887 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

What i dont understand is why is there a nearly 7 hour layover at JNB airport??

User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 5):
What i dont understand is why is there a nearly 7 hour layover at JNB airport??

Probably to suit business needs. Look at the schedules from JNB to Europe - you will generally see 2 BA 744s, a VS bird plus many other european carriers sitting on the stands ALL day. That's a lot of down time!


User currently offlineArtBKK From Thailand, joined Mar 2005, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 5):
What i dont understand is why is there a nearly 7 hour layover at JNB airport??

To facilitate connection to/from other part of Asia.From other part of Asia, pax can connect easily to the BKK-JNB midnight flight. On the return flight, pax can connect with TG morning flight in BKK to almost all Asian destinations. This schedule also makes it possible for codesharing an onward flight with SAA.
Most of TG's european flights are also scheduled this way.

[Edited 2005-07-01 11:53:06]

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4883 times:

this may put a damper on EK's service from JNB. EK needs more competition from JNB!

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4876 times:
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Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 6):
Probably to suit business needs.

Correct.

Should TG have a 2-hour layover and depart JNB at 08h20, I predict (IMMHO) that they will have quite poor loads. JNB is SAA's hub and TG needs connecting pax from regional and domestic flights in order to fill their flights to capacity.

The first domestic flights of each day (CPT, DUR, PLZ, etc) only arrive in JNB at about 08h00. Therefore a 08h20 TG departure wouldn't make sense at all. TG needs to synchronise the entire operation very carefully as they also have to keep connecting pax, onwards from BKK in mind. Would it make sense to leave JNB at 08h20 and arrive in BKK just after 00h00?? For instance, how many TG flights leave BKK at that time of the morning - we have to take in consideration that BKK may not be some passengers' final destination?

Have a look at the rest of the Asian carriers operating to and from JNB. Despite early morning arrivals in JNB at about 06h00; CX, SQ and MH all leave JNB after 12h00.

Hope this explains your query.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

Quoting AF022 (Reply 8):
this may put a damper on EK's service from JNB. EK needs more competition from JNB!

How would that affect EK? They come from completely different directions.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4631 times:
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Quoting Udo (Reply 10):
How would that affect EK? They come from completely different directions.

EK currently is the cheapest option between JNB-BKK-JNB, which may be what AF022 is referring to. However, TG will not necessarily be the cheapest option between JNB-BKK-JNB once their services commence.

That said, even though SA and QF fly directly to PER and SYD respectively, EK still whip their buts with excellent fares most of the time.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3767 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4630 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 2):
With JNB, MEL and AKL listed as getting the A346, does anyone know on which routes the MD11 will be redeployed??

TG is planning to serve DME with the MD11!

Good to see the 346 in JNB!

So AMS, JNB, ZRH and MEL will get the 346, where else?

I heard LAX will also receive the 346, or will it be the orginal plan for the 345?

Rob!


User currently offlineSA006 From South Africa, joined Sep 2003, 1883 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4115 times:

Great news! Good to see someone taking the great emand for the BKK-JNB-BKK route.

-SA006  wave 



Proudly South African
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Its good to see that TG will use its new A340-600s on this route, I found the original choice of the MD11s a bit odd for a route such as JNB-BKK. AMS, AKL, MEL, ZRH, CDG and even LAX were once mentioned as A346 cities - the new JNB flight operating with the A346 may impact these plans as, I believe, that TG has ordered only 6 of the type and the European routes require 2 aircraft to maintain a daily service.

Any further information on how TG plans to utilize its A346s and the M11s? Will AKL remain with the M11 once it gets its dedicated flight from BKK?


User currently offlineAirKas1 From Netherlands, joined Dec 2003, 3979 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 12):
So AMS, JNB, ZRH and MEL will get the 346, where else?

TG is gonna fly to AMS with the 346!?


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3196 times:

Quoting AirKas1 (Reply 15):

TG is gonna fly to AMS with the 346!?

There have been several reports/rumors that TG wants to reopen the AMS route, this time with a daily dedicated nonstop service to BKK (unlike TG's past services which had been via ZRH or as a stopover on a LHR-AMS-BKK flight)......I have heard that TG is/was planning to reopen the AMS route WHEN the A346s were delivered (meaning that the AMS-BKK flight could be flown with any longhaul type and TG was simply waiting for more longhaul equipment to be delivered), and I have also heard that TG is/was planning to reopen the AMS route WITH the A346 once they were delivered. I have no idea which is true, and, to date, TG has not announced the AMS route but instead has said it would begin service on the BKK-JNB route and the BKK-Moscow route.

Something is up - TG does want to get back to AMS - when, and with what equipment are still up in the air.


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 16):
There have been several reports/rumors that TG wants to reopen the AMS route, this time with a daily dedicated nonstop service to BKK (unlike TG's past services which had been via ZRH or as a stopover on a LHR-AMS-BKK flight)......I have heard that TG is/was planning to reopen the AMS route WHEN the A346s were delivered (meaning that the AMS-BKK flight could be flown with any longhaul type and TG was simply waiting for more longhaul equipment to be delivered), and I have also heard that TG is/was planning to reopen the AMS route WITH the A346 once they were delivered. I have no idea which is true, and, to date, TG has not announced the AMS route but instead has said it would begin service on the BKK-JNB route and the BKK-Moscow route.

I think that the only thing that IS CERTAIN is that it is currently a movimng feast, and likely to change.

Given that the A346 has a big F/J section (68 seats), you can probably bet that the A346 will go to markets which has higher J class prospects. Therefore MEL would rank up there, and I would guess would get the A346 at AKL's expense. With only 6 A346's, not every proposed A346 market will get one.

FYI - MEL can be operated on a daily basis with one aircraft.

BKK 0015
MEL 1205
MEL 1620
BKK 2240


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3132 times:

Nothing beats a South African 747-SP to BKK from JNB lol


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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2874 times:
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Quoting Malaysia (Reply 18):
Nothing beats a South African 747-SP to BKK from JNB lol

I couldn't agree with you more! It seems as if SA now wants to revive the JNB-BKK-JNB route themselves, according to newspaper reports. There is a 747-SP in SA colours parked on the Eastern side of JNB at some of the maintenance hangers.....................


Rgds

SA7700



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