Three more positions and Vienna would have shown up on that list, damn you
What's interesting to see is not just the passenger numbers, but also the aircraft movements. Note how certain airports have less passengers but more movements due to the average size of aircraft there. And what I also found interesting is the rates at which airports are growing or shrinking expressed as a percentage. This is a good indication of who is catching up and who is not able to grow much more (in a ceteris paribus sitation, which as usual is not the case). But it's at least an indication
FlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 57 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4154 times:
Quoting MauriceB (Reply 11): but regulations stops them from doing that...
Hey Maurice!
Thanks for that post. Could you please send me a message (or post on here) why there is regulation in place to control growth at AMS? I am really interested to know more about this
1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4142 times:
Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 13): Thanks for that post. Could you please send me a message (or post on here) why there is regulation in place to control growth at AMS? I am really interested to know more about this
It is a noise regulation. AMS is only allowed to generate so much cumulative noise over various sectors of the city during a year.
Normally by about Novemeber there are certain runways that can't even be used because that sector of the city has reached the limit for overflight noise.
I know when I lived in the Jordaan section of AMS the NW DC-10s made so much noise you wondered if they were going to make it!
[Edited 2005-07-02 17:35:14]
go to http://www.schiphol.nl/ click on "The Schiphol group" Environment and then click on NOMOS you will see the indcatation of all the sound measeuring devices around the city, mouse over and you can see the decibel levels.
Wow, I am surprised to see this information. One would have expected that they would do something about it (different SID/STAR, or redistribute traffic) Thanks for your reply!
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 80 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 3957 times:
Quoting Scott0305 (Reply 17): Is it me or is LTN not on that list?????
LTN is not on that list.
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
AF B777-300 From France, joined Jan 2001, 14 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3940 times:
In 2004, CDG surpassed Frankfurt for the FIRST time as Europe's second busiest airport with 51.3 million passengers, which represents an evolution of 6.3 % with 2003, while Frankfurt handled 51.1 million. ORY handled 24 million passengers (+7.1%/2003). So the figures that Munich posted are not good for CDG. It's great to see ORY increases again.
About CDG, I think it has one of the biggest potential in Europe, as there is the Satellite S3 in construction which will be able to handle 9 or 10 million passengers, and an other new terminal dedicated to regional operations is expected to be built just near the satellite S3.
OSA330 From Austria, joined Jun 2005, 59 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3808 times:
Has anyone information regarding the percentage of transferring passengers?
I guess that Frankfurt generates approx. 50% connecting passengers, whereas CDG or LHR are likely to be weaker. Frankfurt is a small but nice city, but there is almost no leisure or tourism traffic terminating in FRA.
Luton and these other airports must surely have more than the 12,000 pax of #88 Liegge.
What about Belfast?
What about Exeter?
What about Cardiff?
What about Bristol?
What about Rotterdam?
What about Moscow Sheremeteyevo and Vnukovo?
What about Bratislava?
What about Kiev?
What about Belgrade?
What about Thessaloniki?
What about Dresden?
What about Berlin Schonefeld and Templehof?
What about Naples?
What about Olbia?
What about Palermo?
What about Bern?
What about Ajaccio?
What about Clermont-Ferrand?
What about Liverpool?
What about Newcastle?
What about Salzburg?
I think you all get the idea.....
This list is very incomplete. The bottom is 12,000 passengers. I would bet everyone of these airports had more than that for the month of Dec2004.
Munich From Germany, joined Mar 2002, 155 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
Quoting AF B777-300 (Reply 19): In 2004, CDG surpassed Frankfurt for the FIRST time as Europe's second busiest airport with 51.3 million passengers, which represents an evolution of 6.3 % with 2003, while Frankfurt handled 51.1 million. ORY handled 24 million passengers (+7.1%/2003). So the figures that Munich posted are not good for CDG. It's great to see ORY increases again.
I think, you are not right AF B777-300. I know the preliminary ACI-Stats, where CDG is with 51,260,363 and +6.3% is in front of FRA (51,098,271 +5.7%) but it is improbable.
I'm collecting passenger- and movement-statistics since years ago and the experience shows, that the figures at the ACI-Europe-Page are normaly more exact as the figures on the ACI-World-Website.
The other reason is, I (have) collect(ed) the monthly stats from airports-/ goverments-websites and there is also CDG barely behind FRA and 3rd on this French website there is CDG with 50,951,316 passengers also behind FRA (look at page 59.
But we will see. The finally stats by ACI World are normally available in September every year.
Btw. This year (Jan.-Apr.) CDG ist a little bit more in front of FRA like in th same time last year.
Munich From Germany, joined Mar 2002, 155 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3657 times:
Quoting OSA330 (Reply 21): Has anyone information regarding the percentage of transferring passengers?
I guess that Frankfurt generates approx. 50% connecting passengers
Yes, last year round about 55%
Regards! Robert alias munich
25 MauriceB: hi FlyAUA , its indeed a noise problem... this is why they plan to make LEY (lelystad) The second airport of the Netherlands with about 20% of the cur
26 Munich: Stirling, you are right! This isnt a complete list. All listed Airports are menmbers by ACI-Europe, if not, they are not listed. It's the same with a
27 LifelinerOne: There was a very nice article in the newspaper "Het Parool" last week regarding the future of Schiphol. There's a board here in The Netherlands who g
28 FlyAUA: It is indeed a shame when airport operations are capped becuase of people that keep complaining. They don't realise the economic benefits coupled wit
29 LifelinerOne: The link: http://www.parool.nl/nieuws/2005/JUN/30/p1.html This is just a smaller version of the article. If you want to read the whole, you need to s
30 FlyAUA: So for those that are interested, it's basically on about how AMS will be buying out the area close to the aerodrome and preventing further residents
31 Morvious: They already changed the SIDS and STARS many times. ATC even uses different routes (away from the standard routes) what causes even more trouble. Que
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