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User currently offlineLando From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 5207 times:

Do CRJ-200s have jumpseats? I didnt think they did since the cockpit is pretty small... I have never been on a CRJ so I do not know...

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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5177 times:

I'm just gonna take a guess at this. But I would think that they have a small jump-seat that folds down from the back of the cockpit door, such as on the Dash 8's.


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User currently offlineLando From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

Well... thanks.... anyways to add on to the question, does anyone know Delta ASA's policy on flying jumpseat... my cousin is a PIC on the CRJ on the route I am flying on July 28... I havent talked to him for a few months...but do you think there would be any chance it would be ok for my to fly in the jumpseat? I would think not...but its not going to hurt to ask...

User currently offlineJuanchie From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5167 times:

They sure do. Between the cockpit door and the captains seat, on the left is a slot where the jumpseat can be pulled out. Although its there, its not very comfortable!

Whoops. You beat me to it. In fact, I know ASA's policy first hand and the sad answer is no. In fact, its very dificult to ride jumpseat without being a pilot for ASA. In fact, I dont think the CEO can even fly jumpseat (pretty sure he doesnt have his comercial.) Basicly, for ASA, and Im pretty sure any other american airline, you have to be a pilot or in training and have up through your comerical rating. Hope that answers your question.
Juan

[Edited 2005-07-02 05:01:29]


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User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5151 times:

Dont even try. Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots. Even other airline pilots arent alowed in DL cockpits. Dispatchers used to be able to jumpseat pre 9/11. Now even they cant do it.

User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7642 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

Here's a pic I found, according to the photographer, it was taken from the observers seat...

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Photo © Ariel Shocron


As far as riding the jumpseat, you're most likely out of luck. Sorry. I'd ask anyways, you never know!

[Edited 2005-07-02 05:04:10]


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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting Lando (Thread starter):
Do CRJ-200s have jumpseats? I didnt think they did since the cockpit is pretty small... I have never been on a CRJ so I do not know...

Having never seen the front office of a CRJ-200, I can't say but, IIRC, the FARs require there be an "observers seat" on the flightdeck of every commercial aircraft for FAA-type inspection people so I would be a bit suprised if there weren't one.

Lincoln



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User currently offlineLando From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5138 times:

Well I meant ask my cousin....because the worst thing he could say is no...and tell me why... which isnt going to hurt anything... but if its that strict in rules...I might as well not...

User currently offlineJuanchie From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):



Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):
Dont even try. Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots

Where did you get that from? We have Airtran pilots jumpseat on ASA all the time and ASA pilots jumpseat on Airtran, American etc.? As long as you are a pilot, you can jumpseat (of course at the captain's discretion!)


Juan



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User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5086 times:

OK... I can't find exactly what I remember reading, but here's this from FAR part 135.75:

Quote:

§ 135.75 Inspectors credentials: Admission to pilots’ compartment: Forward observer's seat.

(a) Whenever, in performing the duties of conducting an inspection, an FAA inspector presents an Aviation Safety Inspector credential, FAA Form 110A, to the pilot in command of an aircraft operated by the certificate holder, the inspector must be given free and uninterrupted access to the pilot compartment of that aircraft. However, this paragraph does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the pilot compartment in the interest of safety.

(b) A forward observer's seat on the flight deck, or forward passenger seat with headset or speaker must be provided for use by the Administrator while conducting en route inspections. The suitability of the location of the seat and the headset or speaker for use in conducting en route inspections is determined by the Administrator.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5073 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 9):
OK... I can't find exactly what I remember reading, but here's this from FAR part 135.75:

The airline in question is a Part 121 operator, and not a Part 135 operator. As such, you might try 121.547...  Wink


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Zsx81...you forgot certain FAA people. I know one, personally, who sits in the jumpseat almost every flight he takes. So, there is a slight exception to only DL pilots..
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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26450 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):
Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots. Even other airline pilots arent alowed in DL cockpits. Dispatchers used to be able to jumpseat pre 9/11.

Up until 9/11, all air traffic controllers were allowed to ride Jumpseat on a space available basis on any US carrier, including cargo. The FAM program was suspended so that airport identification could be standardized and made less easy to fabricate. Even though that happened, the FAA has not reinstated FAM



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4628 times:
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From this first question I've got another. In the catagory of aircraft "airliners" are in is it a requirement to have a jumpseat to allow for check rides by FAA?


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User currently offlineCALPilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 998 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4601 times:

Juanchie,

Officers of the corporation, usually have access to the jumpseat through the Ops Specs. approved through the FAA.


User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4263 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 4587 times:

Quoting Juanchie (Reply 8):
Where did you get that from? We have Airtran pilots jumpseat on ASA all the time and ASA pilots jumpseat on Airtran, American etc.? As long as you are a pilot, you can jumpseat (of course at the captain's discretion!)

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you have to be an airline participating in the CASS program in order to legally do this. ZW is not yet, so even though AA pilots can jumpseat on United in the cockpit, they cannot on ZW. At ZW you have to be a pilot or a dispatcher of United or any United Express carrier to gain cockpit access. Of course, if we have room in the back, welcome aboad, at the captains discretion.

This policy will likely change with the USAirways transition, but I have been told United will still give us flight deck access on mainline, a priviledge I really enjoy.


User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17036 posts, RR: 67
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Some of those seats are pretty funky on the small jets.

The BAe-146/Avro has a seat that first slides out from behind the copilot seat, then unfolds. To get into it, you have to lean forward over the throttle quadrant with your hands on the glareshield while the copilot deploys it. I was just waiting for turbulence to hit Big grin



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6018 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Quoting Zsx81 (Reply 4):
Dont even try. Only people that can jump seat flight decks are DL pilots. Even other airline pilots arent alowed in DL cockpits. Dispatchers used to be able to jumpseat pre 9/11. Now even they cant do it.

Incorrect. Pilots, dispatchers, and mechanics for that airline are the only ones allowed to jumpseat in the cockpit. For personnel of other airlines, they have to be verified, usually electronically, to sit up front.

Dispatchers not only are allowed the jumpseat, but it is MANDATORY that they put in at least 5 hours per year per type (prop, or jet.)



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