CLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1193 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6120 times:
CO to discontinue ISP route
CO will discontinue its operations in Islip, N.Y. (ISP), effective Sept. 6, 2005. XJT employees at ISP have been offered other opportunities within that organization or a severance package based on their years of employment.
Nkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2845 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5914 times:
Quoting A330323X (Reply 5): I assume CommutAir is staying in ISP with the ALB/BOS flights?
I think alot of it depends on who is doing the ground handling in ISP. When CO left ACY (for the second time), Commutair also left because they had no one to ground handle them anymore. Then again, CO only gave the airport 3 days notice!!
Stirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5233 times:
Quoting Ssides (Reply 10): To my knowledge, CO has never pulled out of DFW.
You have to go way back, to the 1980's.
I am looking at the Continental Timetable from March 1982.
No Dallas/Ft Worth.
At the time, DFW was still a relatively new airport, Airlines were staking their "new" turf...Braniff, Delta, American were all in the middle of a fierce competitive struggle.
This is what Continental had in the State of Texas at the time.
Some other interesting cities Continental Served at the time as part of their VERY limited Route Network:
Green Bay Wisconsin
DeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 9022 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5138 times:
Keep in mind that while the CLE flight may have had high fares, I'd bet that the vast majority of these people are connecting in CLE. CO does have to compete with Southwest, Delta, Northwest and US Airways for connecting passengers. This does two things...it will lower the average fare, and it will spread the fare out over more miles. For example, say ISP-LAX is $350 (just a wild guess, but I'm assuming WN as the price-setter in this market)...through CLE, that fare covers 5022 miles, or 6.97 cents per mile, which is below CO's average yield. Thus, the fare loses money.
Luvfa From United States of America, joined May 2005, 457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5039 times:
Southwest plans to double their gates at ISP. When the new terminal opened we went from 3 to 4 gates. The old terminal has since been knocked down and we will use the space to expand the new terminal from 4 to 8 gates. I essence, WN should double our existing schedule out of ISP in the coming years.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4873 times:
ISP is a small station for CO, and the ERJs that flew the route can probably be more effectively and more used elsewhere.......it most likely has to do with yeilds and fares being generated on the ISP routes; first, most pax on the ISP-CLE routes were probably connecting pax going on to other destinations and yeilds can diminish with connecting passengers,sometimes lower fares than if nonstop travel was booked and 4 segments instead of 2 for a simple roundtrip, I do not think that O&D between ISP and CLE was supporting these flights; second, its Southwest effect, as Southwest grows at ISP and offers more and more nonstop and connection possibilities to more cities within the US out of ISP, fares on many routes will drop, making the CO service not practical or profitable.
No, CO has never pulled out of DFW. Not starting service yet and pulling out are two separate things. I used to live in Dallas and the loads on CO have always been good. Since Delta has pulled out of DFW, they have been even better. Between DFW-IAH, DFW-EWR, DFW-CLE and DAL-IAH, they pretty much have the Dallas-Ft.Worth area covered.
Avpilot01 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4823 times:
Think about this one though.....
-WN pulls out of IAH.
-CO pulls out of ISP and HOU, where WN is dominate at both.
Coincidence???? There was something said a long time ago that WN and CO had a pretty good relationship. I can't remember the situation but CO in some words helped WN out. In exchange in the past WN did not lower fares on routes it competed with CO that it did with other majors like AA, DL and UA. I wonder if they worked out some kind of agreement. Like you get out of my territory and I will get out of yours. What do you think?
JetBlueAtJFK From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1687 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4794 times:
Quoting D950 (Reply 17): I work across the street from ISP, what terminal was taken down??
Just the area next to the WN area I think. That area isn't used so I guess that will be it.
Will they just extend upon the new terminal they built, like a hallway after you come up the stairs and next to the little Bar there? Either that or they extend the stairs over and have more stairs caises and the restaurant area will be the center of the terminal with the stairs leading up to it.
Just my guess. Are their any renderings of what it will look like.
D950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4765 times:
I went over there about an hour ago, nothing aesthetically will be done to the original terminal structure, but the east part of the building will undergo changes to accommodate the extra gates I was told.
Resting on your laurels is a synonym for flirting with disaster
: As most here know.... Good loads down always mean profits. CO pulled COEX service out of CAK twice. They even had CO van service from Akron-Fulton, a
: The old Ground Level Terminals, (Gates 12-18) were just torn down. They will be built as an extension to the new Peter McGowan Terminal.
: So many airlines reduced service or left Islip altogether. Spirit: left American Airlines: went from mainline to RJ service to no service. US Airwaiys
: Yes. Continental DID Leave DFW in the Early 80's. They returned in the late 80's around the time of the peoplExpress acquisition. FACT. Continental d
: NOOOO!!! This is the second airline within one year! Hopfully US Airways Express won't pull out of ISP too. There is going to be a lot more check-in c
: According to Q3 2004 O&D data, CLE-ISP is 83 pax daily. That should fill about 50% of CO's four daily E135s, assuming CO got about 90% of the traffic.
: >> Think about this one though..... -WN pulls out of IAH. -CO pulls out of ISP and HOU, where WN is dominate at both. Coincidence???? IMO: yes WN's I
: No way. Anyone remember this exchange: Crandall: "Raise your goddamn fares twenty percent. I'll raise mine the next morning. You'll make more money a
: Don't know if they did much marketing or promotion at ISP but across the Sound at PVD, they are very low profile. Very little advertising or banging t