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User currently offlineSBE727 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 11 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5908 times:


Its prob been covered before but was wondering if anyone is able to provide a rough guide to lease rates (acmi and full charter) for a 737-300 / md83.

If you were able to guarantee say 200 block hours per month. what kinda rate would a tour op / airline get for these.

Dont know if anyone is able to help or not but cant seem to find much on the net.

Many Thx


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User currently offlineJMJAirways From Sweden, joined Apr 2005, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5824 times:


I would also love to know the answer to that question. Any other aircraft for that matet.

Best regards

I am willing to pay extra for a A346 flight !
User currently offlineLegacy135 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 1052 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 4 days ago) and read 5805 times:

Most serious leasing companies won't say you a rate just like this. The problem is, the rate depends strongly from the risk they are going to take. So before going to give you an answer, they want to see your business case and structure of finances. Once they made their analysis and risk management gives a green light, they will come up with very straight figures.
Cheapest leasing you get normally from a lessor who has a couple of his airplanes - being in a long term contract - on ground. It can happen, that they leave it to you cheaper than what they need to pay for, just because it's to minimize lost of money.

User currently offlinePlaneSmart From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 1689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Legacy135 you are right. A leasor is going to want to see your business plan, finances, bank/s, customer contracts (for example if dealing with a travel wholesaler), supplier contracts (fuel, airport, ground services, etc), shareholders and execs.

A start-up is going to be looked at more closely, and with dare i say it, less enthusiasm, than an existing, mature business.

The lease cost will be determined by the actual aircraft, terms and conditions inc hours/cycles, prevailing interest rates, country risk, financial position of airline, track record and ability of shareholders and execs.

User currently offlineSBE727 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5664 times:

Thx for all the replies there, much appreciated.

Would the chartered airline be looking at financial matters if you are purely a broker that markets the aircraft and takes a commission for doing so when a flight has been contracted by a tour op.

All flights would have to be on a full charter basis so that all costs are covered.

Many Thx


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5647 times:

Dry lease for a M80 from Boeing capital for good credit would be 170,000 - 210,000 dollars a month. (No crew or insurance and not including engine reserves, standard maintenance or consumables)

(I financed a few aircraft from Boeing capital and I asked about an M80 once upon a time.)

User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 7561 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5539 times:

Well, Garuda got their 734s from GECAS at 115k - 125k USD a piece for the PK-GZ* batch... and their GH* batch was about 100k - 115k USD... per month if you plan to fly them for about 250 a month at a 1H flight to 1 cycle ratio. These were 2002 prices... and aircraft only... They've gone up again.

Bear in mind that it all depends more on your financial backing (lease guarantees etc) that will decide the leasing rate.

If you want to be a broker, then just take a commission on the lease payments and stop at that... why bother going into the airline's market risk ?

Get a top bank to issue an unconditional guarantee for 6 months lease is an absolute minimum (for airlines in Indonesia), otherwise not even the local brokers wanna look at you. Forget the business plan, but the leasing company is more likely to look at relocation, re-registration, re-inspection, and expected in-between customers idle time... And yes, screw the business plan if you got the right financial guarantees...

Maintenance guarantees (regarding standards) from a MX shop (choose carefully!) makes a lot of difference.

However, that's the condition here... may not be applicable elsewhere.


When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineMACDADDY From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5389 times:

737 ACMI depending on a series EUR 2,400-3,400 pbh
MD-80 AMCI EUR 2,300-3,000 pbh

Thats for a last minute sub, longer term details require all sorts of add ons, like per diems etc....


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