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Bmi Confirms New Services To RUH  
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

UK carrier, Bmi Britsh Midland has confirmed its new services to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. The airline will operate 3x weekly flights from London's Heathrow airport with the A330-200!

The flights will depart on Tue, Thu & Sun!

Will they use the same A330 currently operating to BOM?

How are Bmi's long haul aircraft plans?

Are they still receiving the EK A330-200, A6-EAS I think?


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Not sure if this has already been posted, I tried posting the other day, but the server was down!

Rob!

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User currently offlineNYCFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1387 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5043 times:

is BA still in RUH? or did they pull out completely? I know there were some terorrist threats against BA in Saudi Arabia, causing at least intermittent withdrawals. If BA is still there, is the UK-Saudi market big enough for three carriers (BD, BA, SV), and if not, I wonder how security issues have figured into BD's plans?

User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5023 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
UK carrier, Bmi Britsh Midland has confirmed its new services to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia

What's the source on this, last I heard they hadn't applied for the correct authority for the route!?

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):
Not sure if this has already been posted, I tried posting the other day, but the server was down!

It has, many times, and pops up in every other thread about BMI.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 1):
is BA still in RUH? or did they pull out completely?

They're totally gone AFAIK.

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
It has, many times, and pops up in every other thread about BMI.

I meant has a thread on confirmation at RUH come up before?  Wink

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
What's the source on this, last I heard they hadn't applied for the correct authority for the route!?

Source: Justplanes.com
Bmi confirmed Riyadh start Jun 30
bmi has confirmed it will inaugurate service from London's Heathrow Airport to Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) on September 1st. The airline will operate 3 flights a week with an Airbus A330 departing Heathrow on Tue/Thu/Sun.

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 1):
is BA still in RUH?

Nope, they've left RUH, only SV fly the route now (772,744)

Rob!


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 3):
Source: Justplanes.com
Bmi confirmed Riyadh start Jun 30
bmi has confirmed it will inaugurate service from London's Heathrow Airport to Riyadh (Saudi Arabia) on September 1st. The airline will operate 3 flights a week with an Airbus A330 departing Heathrow on Tue/Thu/Sun

No disrespect but I don't know how relaible a source JustPlanes is. In this thread http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2114656 it was suggested that the RUH service may never happen, so thats why I queried it. Have BMI made any statement regarding a start date??

Either way I won't hold my breath. RUH requires a daily service at least. Have you ever tried to obtain decent availabilty on SV? Not easy!


7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4966 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 4):
Either way I won't hold my breath.

As Rob said this has been confirmed.

It was also announced on zawya 3 days ago (very reliable source on Middle Eastern businesses).
http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm?story...&Section=Industries&page=Transport
(subscription only)

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 4):
RUH requires a daily service at least. Have you ever tried to obtain decent availabilty on SV? Not easy!

SV only have 4x weekly B777 RUH-LHR flights. BA also had 3 or 4x B777 weekly flights. So its plausible to operate into KSA with only a few flights a week. In fact the low availability and high fares make this route quite a money maker.


Horus



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User currently offlineBY188B From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4959 times:

and you can book the flights on flybmi.com


next flights : BD LHR-TXL J, FR SXF-STN Y, SN BRU-LHR Y, MA LHR-BUD Y, BA BUD-LHR J, BA LCY-SNN-JFK J, BA JFK-LHR J, BA
User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4950 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 5):
As Rob said this has been confirmed.



Quoting BY188B (Reply 6):
and you can book the flights on flybmi.com

I stand corrected then. I shall retreat to my corner...

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4954 times:

Quoting B742 (Thread starter):

How are Bmi's long haul aircraft plans?

Bit sketchy, but the Bishop (as he's known) has mentioned in his speeches adding one or more longhaul aircraft to the fleet every year for the next few years.

I'm not sure if they have any more outstanding options at Airbus for the A332 but those are the aircraft I'd expect to see arriving. The mainline fleet is rationalised around Airbus and Embraer, with Baby flying the 737s inherited from mainline and some others which have come and gone as a result of fleet adjustment.

I wouldn't even put it past him to do an ILFC or GECAS lease for a 752 for MAN-IAD as this aircraft has been successful on that route. However another A332 is probably indicated in the short term. The proposed VS MAN-LAS service might free up aircraft days as BD is currently doing that route in co-operation with Virgin Holidays.

As for the comments about SV flying that route, LHR-RUH is operated by that airline using their onboard policies. Not every traveller cares for the way they do their service and an alternative could be successful. One reason BA pulled out was security concerns, and BMI is not as much a target as the UK's flag carrier. That point naturally is debatable.


User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

Quoting Horus (Reply 5):
As Rob said this has been confirmed.



Quoting BY188B (Reply 6):
and you can book the flights on flybmi.com

Thanks guys for backing me up  Wink

Here's the flight times:

Flight no: BD775
Depart: LHR - London (Heathrow) at 09:35, terminal 1
Arrive: RUH - Riyadh (King Khaled Int'l) at 17:50
Flight time: 01:15
Airline: bmi
Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A330-200
Stops: 0
Days: Tue, Thu & Sun

Flight no: BD776
Depart: RUH - Riyadh (King Khaled Int'l) at 00:40
Arrive: LHR - London (Heathrow) at 05:40, terminal 1
Flight time: 12:00
Airline: bmi
Aircraft: Airbus Industrie A330-200
Stops: 0
Days: Wed, Fri & Mon

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 2):
What's the source on this

My second source is flyBmi.com  Smile

Rob!


User currently offlineSpeedbirdcrew From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4891 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 9):
Flight no: BD775
Depart: LHR - London (Heathrow) at 09:35, terminal 1
Arrive: RUH - Riyadh (King Khaled Int'l) at 17:50
Flight time: 01:15

Damn thats a quick flight!!! Could concorde do it that fast if it was still in service?!?!?!


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4812 times:

Someone in BD is telling porkies regarding their long haul schedules for this winter.

Amazing that BD are also selling a BOM daily service, isnt it?

Just so happens that both the BOM and RUH flights depart heathrow at the exact same time. (09:35)....

Also amazing that BD will need five A330's this winter to operate all the flights that they are selling (Two at heathrow, three at Manchester). At last count, they had three A330's.

BD, get your act together, and finally decide what you are planning for this winter. Is it a daily BOM, or RUH... Will IAD survive? What about LAS and SLU?

Rumours that SLU is performing really badly this summer, with BD dropping Business return fares to £699 inclusive.



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User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

any one know y they stopped man-yyz too


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

They're probably planning to reconfigure the A330 in the all-new bmi "savage class" with low lead in fares (but be quick or it'll cost you more than BA used toi charge), buy-on-board (if we don't sell out before we get to your seat), no lounges, no through checkin and absolutely no alcohol come what may, in the deluded belief that this will make RUH an attractive destination in the eyes of the unwashed masses!  Wink

Andy


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4509 times:

As a frequent BD short haul flier, I'm seriously concerned in the lack of direction they seem to have these days.

They are planning to take heathrow low fare, but maintinaing many of the fixed costs. At the same time, they are alienating their most frequent (high yielding) fliers through stopping lounge access to their * Gold customers when they take a lower fare flights.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2589 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Quoting Zkojh (Reply 12):
any one know y they stopped man-yyz too

This is an AC route, which was operated by bmi for one season, in conjunction with AC.

AC decided to return to the route in their own right this year, using a 762, and it is still in co-operation with BD.


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

Okay - so RUH is on sale.

(As BestWestern mentions above), there are so many inconsistencies with BMIs planning and schedules, what is the likelihood that further destruction of BMIs loyal Manchester customer base is inevitable in order to support growth at LHR?

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 16):
what is the likelihood that further destruction of BMIs loyal Manchester customer base is inevitable in order to support growth at LHR?

My call is the following:

2 aircraft in Manchester

ORD to x5 weekly
IAD to x3 weekly
LAS to Weekly
SLU dropped

1 aircraft in London

BOM back to x4 weekly
RUH x3 weekly

By the way, dont be so cynical... 7L - this is an enhancement, not a destruction. Just like the way *G's and *S's no longer have lounge access on Standard economy fares, and have to use SSCI.

[Edited 2005-07-04 12:51:55]


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User currently offlineThowman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

As a Gold Card member and a pretty frequent flier with them, I have already made the decision to stop flying BMI as a direct result of their decline in standards over the last year or so.

Main reason being those stated above, the inability to redeem any flights unless it is done so months in advance (impossible for my constantly changing schedule) and the uselessness of my four upgrade vouchers for most of the routes I'd ever use.

You really only just have to look on flyertalk to see the uproar this is all causing

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=486

BestWestern. You're posting on this forum under a different name, aren't you?


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7080 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting Thowman (Reply 18):
the uselessness of my four upgrade vouchers for most of the routes I'd ever use.

I'm ashamed to say that I have three unused *G vouchers from last year. I'm heading rapidly to silver due to BD schedules being so poor to Italy, Paris and Spain. Usually they wont let you upgrade to Business using vouchers due to their being no food on board.

Quoting Thowman (Reply 18):
BestWestern. You're posting on this forum under a different name, aren't you?

Yes I am. Flyertalk - the best frequent travel resource in existance. Flyertalk has seriously helped my mileage balances on Delta, IC hotels, and with BD also. I'll stay with BD until I have enough miles for two from CPH to China in F with SQ. CPH or Madrid (Zone 3) to China is only 50k miles in Y or 50k with cash and miles in F.



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User currently offlineFly-K From Germany, joined May 2000, 3149 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4235 times:
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How will bmi handle the crew layover in RUH? Most Western carriers don't have crew layover in the kingdom anymore.


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User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Swiss is the only carrier to overnight crews (on their RUH run).
Glad to see the flight finally confirmed.


User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

bmi WILL be laying crews over in RUH for up to three days in some cases, and MANY of those faced with the prospect of a trip are NOT happy about it.

Andy


User currently offline7LBAC111 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 2566 posts, RR: 35
Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4146 times:

Quoting Billy (Reply 21):
Glad to see the flight finally confirmed.

Yep - and my apologies for doubting you on this!  sorry 

7LBAC111



Debate is what you put on de hook when you want to catch de fish.
User currently offlineZkojh From China, joined Sep 2004, 1659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

yep bmi have become a turn off for me now , and decided to leave there dimond club, i was not happy when they gave me a quote for a man-lhr rtn at 290.00 that kinda sucked a bit,


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
25 Babybus : According to the SWISS website they don't have flts to Riyadh anymore. When I used to fly them their A330's were normally only one third full. If they
26 Fly-K : LX flies ZRH-RUH-JED vv 3 times a week. Interesting about the bmi layover...
27 Shawnnyc : My guess is that the UK and Saudi have very restrictive bilaterals. Bmi will probably have all the allocations for LHR-RUH. BA probably felt that the
28 WhiteHatter : connecting passengers from United flights as well as O&D punters who used to use British Airways. ORD is a busy flight. IAD is doing well with the 75
29 Babybus : Yeah, sorry about that. Just went back to check their site. Good job I wasn't trying to book a flight with LX as their booking engine said no direct
30 Horus : AF's Jeddah flights route CDG-CAI-JED with 3x weekly A332 flights. Their RUH flights also used to route via CAI, but now get 3 or 4x weekly A319 AF D
31 Billy : UK is by far the largest European market from Saudi. About 30,000 trips are generated to London per airport (JED, RUH, DMM). Of course, DMM's London f
32 ZRH : Sorry, but I think you didn't look very well on Swiss's website. They are flying three times a week to RUH (days 2,4,7). LX 228 dep. 1240 arr. 1910.
33 7LBAC111 : Agreed. Are there any BMI staff who know the feeling within the BMI camp? 7LBAC111
34 Flybmi330 : Whitehatter, VS are not taking over the MAN-LAS this winter, they are adding capacity to LGW-LAS, and are starting a weekly MAN-BGI. Steve
35 Cornish : funnily enouh while sitting here this morning in south africa I have had an interesting discussion about just how close BMI were to starting a MAN to
36 WhiteHatter : MAN-LAS was on the planning sheet I saw.
37 Jasepl : BMI pulled one 330 off the MAN-IAD route to fly LHR-BOM when the CAA gave them 4 weekly frequencies to Bombay after round 1 of the bilateral re-negot
38 7LBAC111 : Equally as likely is that BMI, given their current 'strategy' haven't actually decided what the hell they are doing. Maybe they'll bring back the AT4
39 Post contains images Jasepl : Ha ha! BMI have been hanging out in Air India territory (BOM), so this is bound to happen!
40 EK156 : Just wishful thinking.... Would it be more feasible for BMI to operate LHR-RUH-DXB?
41 STARCREW : RUH is definitely happening. Can't go into too much detail on here but the major security issues have been addressed. Crews will slip 2 days in RUH. O
42 Lapper : Could you imagine anyone who would want to fly that route (apart from us on A.net) when you can fly direct on BA or EK numerous times per day?
43 B742 : Do Bmi have the finance to get these 2 332's, would LH provide this if they don't? This would be a perfect chance to expand without ordering new 330'
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