Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
The Closest To A Triple Decker Aircraft!  
User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11994 times:

Here's what I sketched today, Didnt know whether to name it Airbus or Boeing, so added a new Jet Airways livery to it as its my fav Airline. I dont think it is good enough to deserve appreciation but I did what I could in 10 mins or so. The Windscreen above the Pilots', is for Viewing...
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a240/BMWJoy/DSCN1056.jpg
REgds
JOY

[Edited 2005-07-03 20:46:27]

[Edited 2005-07-03 20:57:02]


If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
28 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11927 times:

That would require a minimum fuselage height (top to bottom) of 430 inches. Given the extreme ovoid cross section of the WhaleJet, that would make for a fuselage width of at least 367 inches. Using the composite technology of the B787, OEW would be at least 600,000 lbs. With four engines, each would need more thrust than a GE-90-115B for it to have remotely reasonable payload/range.

Also, you show the lowest passenger deck being longer than the middle deck. That's very backwards. The smallest reasonably shaped triple-decker (same ovoid shape as the WhaleJet) would seat 3-4-4-3 on the lower deck, 3-5-5-3 on the middle deck, and 3-4-3 on the upper deck. An 80 meter length would be very stubby. No chance of an 80 meter wingspan unless it's a biplane.

If more capacity were ever needed than provided by the WhaleJet, much larger double deck designs are possible. Keeping the fuselage height of the WhaleJet and widening it until the fuselage is circular at 331 inches would provide 2-4-4-2 seating downstairs and 3-3-3 (or 2-5-2) seating upstairs.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8232 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11901 times:

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):
Didnt know whether to name it Airbus or Boeing

Clearly it has Airbus-style wingtip fences  silly 



This Website Censors Me
User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11884 times:

instead of a viewing area on top, you should have two flightdecks. You know, for redundancy. Isn't redundancy one of the things that has made aviation so safe? I think two flightdecks would make flying even safer!  Wink


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11830 times:

Yeah, one crew fly while the other crew can just sleep in their seats, then when it's time to take over, you just flip a switch and the other cabin takes over. That's the beauty of fly by wire, no?

As for a viewing deck/piano bar up front, that's what the A380 needs for that massive forehead it has. I've been saying that ever since I saw it.

Ever see the movie "The Big Bus" and you know what I'm talking about.  Wink



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
Ever see the movie "The Big Bus" and you know what I'm talking about.

I saw that movie and strongly recommend _against_ seeing it. Anyway, a triple decker nuclear-powered tour bus is perhaps slightly more realistic than a triple decker airliner.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2104 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 11708 times:

I like it. A bit stubby and ugly, but so is the A380. I don't think there is a need to tear it apart from an engineering standpoint, it's just a kid's drawing.

Regardless of the ovoid shape dictating a wider middle deck, the length of the first deck is usually longer than the one above it. The cockpit intrusion eats more length than the tapering of the tail assembly.



An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 11356 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Eugene Uhl


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Paul Goddard


View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © AirNikon




Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineJDD1 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 94 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11128 times:

The lower deck of the A380 is capable of having passenger facilities there, instead of cargo, as is already in service in the A330/A340.

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5691 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11028 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
As for a viewing deck/piano bar up front, that's what the A380 needs for that massive forehead it has. I've been saying that ever since I saw it.

Or you could just call it "10 Forward"... Oh OK you may need to be a StarTrek fan!

Chris



If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
User currently onlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5680 posts, RR: 32
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11024 times:

Nice sketch JoyA380B747, but I don't think a triple-decker is a runner, unless it's for airlines which don't carry cargo, like Ryanair. I'm a big fan of the A380, but it's cargo/passenger ratio isn't as good as other aircraft such as the A340-600 or B777-300. It would be even smaller with a triple-decker, so I think the next step-up in aircraft size will be a stretched A380, and there is possibly room for another stretch after that if it were required. Don't forget that if you add another passenger deck, that also increases the space allocation for baggage, which reduces the cargo capacity again.
After that you may see ultra-widebodies making their debut.


User currently offlineSkywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10556 times:

I like stretch versions, so the A380 and that "thing" do not float my boat Joy. No hard feelings!  Wink Let's just say, if I saw that flying past my house, I might be tempted to shoot it down with my "grenade launcher telescope"! My 1st Spotting Encounter With The Police (by Skywatch Jul 1 2005 in Civil Aviation)
The other thing I don't like about the advancements toward bigger airliners is this: Can you imagine the devastation that would ensue if a plane with 800-1000 passengers went down? Oh well, maybe they will make bigger airliners invincible.  sarcastic  Note that I am not degrading the effects of a 747 crash, r any crash for that matter. I just think the aircraft designers need to think in terms of speed, not size, in the days to come. Nice sketch though Joy! Have a nice day!
P.S. My father is in India right now. He's a little closer to you than usual!

----Skywatch



------Forever Watchin' The Sky------
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10429 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 9):
Or you could just call it "10 Forward"... Oh OK you may need to be a StarTrek fan!

Yes, that's exactly what i called it in another thread. It was ten forward, or a piano bar like in the Big Bus. Either way, I thought the forehead of a 777 was big until I saw an A380.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 10389 times:

lmao, I remember making a sketch of a "Tupolev 554", triple decker, 16 engines!

User currently offlineMorvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 707 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9525 times:

Quoting Skywatch (Reply 11):
I just think the aircraft designers need to think in terms of speed, not size, in the days to come. Nice sketch though Joy! Have a nice day!

I think with the A380 they did both. It can fly hard compared to its size and weight.

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):
Can you imagine the devastation that would ensue if a plane with 800-1000 passengers went down?

offcourse..
But the A380 these days will be filled with 555 passengers max (atm)
Not that many more then some of JAL 747's flying around.
The effects of any plane comming down are horrible, nomather how many passengers are in that cabin!

Lets just hope technoligy is safer these days..



have a good day, Stefan van Hierden
User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9365 times:

I love your drawing, and it seems in scale to me. A viewing deck would be superb. Can you put a camera on the top of the tail for inflight cloud breaking scenes. We have glass bottom boats, why not planes?

User currently offlineSkywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9297 times:

Quoting Morvious (Reply 14):
The effects of any plane comming down are horrible, nomather how many passengers are in that cabin!

Please note that I did mention that. I am not trying to make even small crashes that result in loss of life insignificant. Just making things clearer!  Wink

Quoting Skywatch (Reply 11):
Note that I am not degrading the effects of a 747 crash, r any crash for that matter.

---Skywatch



------Forever Watchin' The Sky------
User currently offlineRossbaku From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 673 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9260 times:

Surely you'd need at least 6 power plants to get that giant off the ground? Anyway hopefully Airbus/Boeing will take heed of your great drawing and you never know...you might just be designing the new A390 or B797!!  spin 

Regards,

RossBaku


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31679 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 9251 times:

I know KingFisher would Def Order them  Smile
And it would be based abroad.
Nice Sketch Joy.But dont think it would practicable.
Although Major Mx on a Triple decker would be something.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3041 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8662 times:

Looks like a blimp with wings and engines.  silly 

User currently onlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3890 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8043 times:

I'm sure I can recall something that either WAS or LOOKED LIKE a triple decker somewhere a while ago... i think it was a very old French designed aircraft...

User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4930 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

I recall flying on an American B747-100 in the early 70s from ORD to PHX. Not only did it have the upper deck lounge, it also had a lower deck galley .... triple decker!


Never gonna grow up, never gonna slow down .... Barefoot Blue Jean Night
User currently offlineJoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 495 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7643 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Nice Sketch Joy.But dont think it would practicable.



Quoting Skywatch (Reply 11):
Can you imagine the devastation that would ensue if a plane with 800-1000 passengers went down?

Look pals, Even I know that making a Triple decker is useless and too impractical and Risky as well. But my sketch just makes an Outline of what it 'might' look like should it be ever made.

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 10):
Don't forget that if you add another passenger deck, that also increases the space allocation for baggage, which reduces the cargo capacity again.

Dont forget that a 3ple decker will be much wider at the belly as well, which I could not show in this Side View.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 2):
Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):
Didnt know whether to name it Airbus or Boeing

Clearly it has Airbus-style wingtip fences

 Smile Smile



Regds
JOY



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlineSkywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7602 times:

Hey Joy, I have a great idea! With so many decks, why don't they put in windows on the nose equivelant to the windscreen! That would be the greatest thing ever! Wait...is that what that second windscreen on your pic is? If so, Great Idea! Nice sketch.

----Skywatch



------Forever Watchin' The Sky------
User currently offlineFlyAUA From Austria, joined May 2005, 4604 posts, RR: 56
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7542 times:

Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter):

Funny idea, but with 3 decks, you wouldn't have enough payload capacity to carry around the luggage in the lowest deck anymore!



Not drinking, also isn't a solution!
25 Sllevin : Cooler sketch than I could I have done! If Southwest's business model could be started on a napkin, an airliner can be started with a pencil! Steve
26 Post contains images Tornado82 : If that's the case... FL has Elton John on their planes... whoever bought the triple decker with a Piano Bar would DEFINITELY need Billy Joel.
27 Post contains images 1MillionFlyer : Very nicely done ! In 15 years from now, who knows, we might need a plane that size.
28 Bushpilot : I like it, how about a 5 engine set up, MD-11 style, or a 6 engine deal. How about blended wing tips? I am just making suggestions. A much better draw
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Triple-Decker Aircraft? posted Tue Jun 27 2006 16:21:23 by AerospaceFan
How Will The 7E7 Compare To Other Boeing Aircraft posted Sat Jul 26 2003 06:03:52 by Pilot727aa
$ Needed To Register An Aircraft With The FAA? posted Sat May 24 2003 18:55:40 by America West A
Is The 747-200 Combi A Smooth Aircraft To Fly In? posted Tue May 29 2001 20:16:01 by GF-A330
DL Asking Court To Sell/Buy Aircraft posted Thu Dec 7 2006 06:54:26 by ATLAaron
Which Alliance Is Emirates Closest To? posted Fri Nov 24 2006 01:31:43 by 8herveg
Bombardier: On The Road To Success? posted Sun Nov 19 2006 18:17:51 by CF188A
Which Airlines On The List To Serve Heathrow? posted Sun Oct 22 2006 19:52:32 by 8herveg
Whats The Meaning To Northwest Airlines Name? posted Sat Oct 21 2006 05:23:47 by Fll2993
Rumored Delay Of The A350 To Late 2013 Or 2014 posted Tue Oct 17 2006 01:29:24 by Atmx2000