JoyA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 425 posts, RR: 1 Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 9919 times:
Here's what I sketched today, Didnt know whether to name it Airbus or Boeing, so added a new Jet Airways livery to it as its my fav Airline. I dont think it is good enough to deserve appreciation but I did what I could in 10 mins or so. The Windscreen above the Pilots', is for Viewing...
[Edited 2005-07-03 20:46:27]
[Edited 2005-07-03 20:57:02]
If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
Zvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 65 Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9852 times:
That would require a minimum fuselage height (top to bottom) of 430 inches. Given the extreme ovoid cross section of the WhaleJet, that would make for a fuselage width of at least 367 inches. Using the composite technology of the B787, OEW would be at least 600,000 lbs. With four engines, each would need more thrust than a GE-90-115B for it to have remotely reasonable payload/range.
Also, you show the lowest passenger deck being longer than the middle deck. That's very backwards. The smallest reasonably shaped triple-decker (same ovoid shape as the WhaleJet) would seat 3-4-4-3 on the lower deck, 3-5-5-3 on the middle deck, and 3-4-3 on the upper deck. An 80 meter length would be very stubby. No chance of an 80 meter wingspan unless it's a biplane.
If more capacity were ever needed than provided by the WhaleJet, much larger double deck designs are possible. Keeping the fuselage height of the WhaleJet and widening it until the fuselage is circular at 331 inches would provide 2-4-4-2 seating downstairs and 3-3-3 (or 2-5-2) seating upstairs.
Captaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 9809 times:
instead of a viewing area on top, you should have two flightdecks. You know, for redundancy. Isn't redundancy one of the things that has made aviation so safe? I think two flightdecks would make flying even safer!
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
Hmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2088 posts, RR: 5 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9633 times:
I like it. A bit stubby and ugly, but so is the A380. I don't think there is a need to tear it apart from an engineering standpoint, it's just a kid's drawing.
Regardless of the ovoid shape dictating a wider middle deck, the length of the first deck is usually longer than the one above it. The cockpit intrusion eats more length than the tapering of the tail assembly.
An optimist robs himself of the joy of being pleasantly surprised
Braybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5286 posts, RR: 35 Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8949 times:
Nice sketch JoyA380B747, but I don't think a triple-decker is a runner, unless it's for airlines which don't carry cargo, like Ryanair. I'm a big fan of the A380, but it's cargo/passenger ratio isn't as good as other aircraft such as the A340-600 or B777-300. It would be even smaller with a triple-decker, so I think the next step-up in aircraft size will be a stretched A380, and there is possibly room for another stretch after that if it were required. Don't forget that if you add another passenger deck, that also increases the space allocation for baggage, which reduces the cargo capacity again.
After that you may see ultra-widebodies making their debut.
Skywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8481 times:
I like stretch versions, so the A380 and that "thing" do not float my boat Joy. No hard feelings! Let's just say, if I saw that flying past my house, I might be tempted to shoot it down with my "grenade launcher telescope"! My 1st Spotting Encounter With The Police (by Skywatch Jul 1 2005 in Civil Aviation)
The other thing I don't like about the advancements toward bigger airliners is this: Can you imagine the devastation that would ensue if a plane with 800-1000 passengers went down? Oh well, maybe they will make bigger airliners invincible. Note that I am not degrading the effects of a 747 crash, r any crash for that matter. I just think the aircraft designers need to think in terms of speed, not size, in the days to come. Nice sketch though Joy! Have a nice day!
P.S. My father is in India right now. He's a little closer to you than usual!
Morvious From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 702 posts, RR: 1 Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7450 times:
Quoting Skywatch (Reply 11): I just think the aircraft designers need to think in terms of speed, not size, in the days to come. Nice sketch though Joy! Have a nice day!
I think with the A380 they did both. It can fly hard compared to its size and weight.
Quoting JoyA380B747 (Thread starter): Can you imagine the devastation that would ensue if a plane with 800-1000 passengers went down?
But the A380 these days will be filled with 555 passengers max (atm)
Not that many more then some of JAL 747's flying around.
The effects of any plane comming down are horrible, nomather how many passengers are in that cabin!
Spike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 6 Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7290 times:
I love your drawing, and it seems in scale to me. A viewing deck would be superb. Can you put a camera on the top of the tail for inflight cloud breaking scenes. We have glass bottom boats, why not planes?
Rossbaku From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 673 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 7185 times:
Surely you'd need at least 6 power plants to get that giant off the ground? Anyway hopefully Airbus/Boeing will take heed of your great drawing and you never know...you might just be designing the new A390 or B797!!
Skywatch From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 923 posts, RR: 6 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5527 times:
Hey Joy, I have a great idea! With so many decks, why don't they put in windows on the nose equivelant to the windscreen! That would be the greatest thing ever! Wait...is that what that second windscreen on your pic is? If so, Great Idea! Nice sketch.