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User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 10
Posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7924 times:

Heres the breakdown for DC-9 Aircraft to be parked..
6 DC-9-50's
4 DC-9-40's
21 DC-9-30's
and the 5 757-200's will remain in long term storage..
Nwa will be adding 2 more 757-200's to the NRT operation for a total of 6..
747-200 #6632 is due out of TLV as #6732 747F on july 29th..


BAE 146 ARJ CV-580 YS-11 SH360 DASH8 SAAB340 EMB 120-135-145-175 DC9/10/30/40/50 MD80/90 DC10 717 727 737 747 757 767 77
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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7808 times:

This is interesting to me. Thx Fave...nice to hear from you again.
safe



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User currently offlineCslusarc From Canada, joined May 2005, 838 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7721 times:

Wow! Bye Bye 31 DC9s.


--cslusarc from YWG
User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7708 times:

Are the 9's being parked temporarily or permanently retired? AFAIK, NWA hasn't been clear of whether they will return to the fleet, if ever.

User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7676 times:
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What is the time span for these -9s to be taken OTS? By when? It's hard to believe we park 757s while the same 319/320 flts are filled to the brim everyday. Last years 757 flts that were consistantly filled have been downgraded to a 319. I know we can't see the full days costs per acft put it sure makes you wonder.


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User currently offlineAirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7599 times:

Quoting N801NW (Reply 3):
Are the 9's being parked temporarily or permanently retired? AFAIK, NWA hasn't been clear of whether they will return to the fleet, if ever.

With oil as expensive as it is, and the financial state of NWA as it is. They probably won't be back for a while.


User currently offlineJBo From Sweden, joined Jan 2005, 2312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7557 times:

Everybody is thinking it, so I might as well ask it:

Will the 742 that's being converted to freighter be painted in the new livery, or have they not yet decided on applying the new livery to the NWCargo fleet?



I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7542 times:

31 DC9s to be parked and 2 more 757s to the Tokyo hub, that is a huge reduction in domestic capacity - are there any aircraft being delivered during the period to compensate, in part, for this big fleet reduction? I know that there are schedule cutbacks for the winter period, but this seems to inidicate that there will be a very signficant schedule cutback on domestic routes. More RJs? Any cities losing mainline service or being cut from the system altogether?

I, too, find it strange that five NW 757-200s remain in long-term storage - the 757 is real money-maker for most airlines and its odd that they cannot be put to use in NW's vast route system.


User currently offlineAirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7522 times:

Increased fleet utilization will aid some of the reduction. NW still has a few 319s due to help as well. There aren't many cities that are losing mainline service, many of the traditional DC-9 cities have a lot of Airbus flying now.

User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7501 times:

It is sad to see the DC9s go...but well times change.

The 757s are to me a surprise. I know that they are increasing the Nagoya ops with 757s. Are the 5 going to long term old?



Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7391 times:

Quoting Favre (Thread starter):
6 DC-9-50's
4 DC-9-40's
21 DC-9-30's
and the 5 757-200's will remain in long term storage..

Goodie, I can see that Steenland is now trying to destroy the company, that dick. Nobody freakin likes him.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineAirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

Wait until later this year. It'll get worse.

User currently offlineN867BX From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7188 times:

When is the last DC9 going to be retired? Has this been discussed yet?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7168 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 10):
Goodie, I can see that Steenland is now trying to destroy the company, that dick. Nobody freakin likes him.

By reducing unprofitable domestic capacity and downsizing oil-guzzling older airframes near their cycle limit?

That bastard!!

N


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7529 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7003 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 13):
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Gigneil

Exactly  Wink

In all seriousness though, its more of what he has done with this Spinzels and everything else, I was told everytime he opens his mouth employee confidence goes down even more. Oh and the DC-9's are NOT that close to cycle limit, they still could have 2-3 years on them.



"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6958 times:

FWIW, Steenland said about the Spinzels and the magazines that if they are indeed missed the change could be "easily reversed." They bet that most passengers, especially leisure, don't care.

User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6439 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 14):
I was told everytime he opens his mouth employee confidence goes down even more.

Do you think you have talked to enough of a cross section of NW employees to make that statement? I don't think so! Is this you speaking or your Dad?


User currently offlineRyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6332 times:

So with N632US going to the freighter fleet, what does this mean to 747-200 pax operations? What is the time frame for LAX getting the A330? Who will keep the 747 classic to the end? HNL? The Pacific beach destinations like Saipan?

The word on the street here in Minneapolis is that the west coast trans pacific flights have been poor performers as of late for Northwest. Not really because of anything NW is doing wrong - but because there are waaay too many seats in the market, emerging markets is china are seeing much more service, and United continues to use the chapter 11 process to prune away whatever costs it wants. Any rumors about how these dynamics will affect fleet and route plans out west?


User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

Most of these aircraft retirements will occur in the fall/early winter of '05 and into '06. NW already has 8 DC-9's in storage, which is included in these 31 aircraft to be retired. The aircraft will come from the annual seasonal reduction of flying, reduction of spares, and increased utilization of other aircraft types. The -9's that will be going will be the oldest, more problematic, or ones pending heavy maintenance. No cities will be cut, and as of now none will lose what mainline service they have. What will happen is changes in frequencies and aircraft type.

Remember that there are about 20 more CRJ's on order. About 5 more for Pinnacle through the end of the summer, and then Mesaba will receive 15 beginning in Oct '05-March '06. Also, NW will/has take delivery of 4 A319/A320 aircraft this year. Not to mention the additional A330's for the widebody fleet, but that doesn't impact narrowbody domestic flying.

NW has taken delivery of a ton of narrowbody & regional aircraft in the past 4 years - A319/A320, CRJ's, 752's, and 753's, yet has not significantly retired any DC-9 aircraft, other than the -10's. The DC-9 fleet utilization is down significantly over the past few years and will still cover most operations with the remaining fleet. Increased utilization of the CRJ's, Avro's, and A319/A320 aircraft will pick up the slack.

As for the 757's, most of those, if not all are pending heavy maintenance. I do agree that NW could likely use them in service though, but the accountants and planners must know better. NW has been running with an absurdly high load factor so far this summer. Just about every day has been in the high 80's, if not into the 90% range.

One concern is that going forward into next summer, if this trend continues, that NW won't have the capacity necessary to handle increased demand. This summer has been absolutely nuts, it brings back memories of 2000. So who knows if all the -9's will be fully retired or will be parked and could be returned to service.

I actually have to side with Burnsie on this one. In my opinion, Steeland isn't exactly taking the best road here. He's not Richard Anderson. Not to place all the blame on Steeland, and numerous execs have been running for the door, but the PR surrounding the service cuts and labor unrest have been handled very poorly. Not to mention the whole labor situation that is boiling over.


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5742 times:

A NWA FA from the DTW base happened to be seated next to me at the end of March and she had an interesting theory. She believed Andersen may have been shown the door because the labor cuts hadn't come and Steenland's mandate was to get them regardless.

User currently offlineNwafflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5528 times:

I can live without a pretzel, sure - no problem, and I can bring my own magazine. But I hate the CRJ - it's so small and cramped, I actually hurt after a 45 minute flight.

I prefer the SAAB 340's - the "A" side is very comfortable. For that matter, Continental's Express Jet's have a viable "A" side, it's just the CRJ 200 that doesn't.

As far as Steenland vs. Richard Andersen -- even the magazine has gone downhill since Andersen left


User currently offlineN801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 744 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5430 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 20):
As far as Steenland vs. Richard Andersen -- even the magazine has gone downhill since Andersen left

I've noticed a decline in the amount and quality of the Richard Reports, now "A Word from Doug." But I probably shouldn't have access to them anyway as a non-employee.


User currently offlineNWCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 689 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting N801NW (Reply 19):
A NWA FA from the DTW base happened to be seated next to me at the end of March and she had an interesting theory. She believed Andersen may have been shown the door because the labor cuts hadn't come and Steenland's mandate was to get them regardless.

BINGO! This is what I thought, and many NW FA's have mentioned that to me as well. I think that Anderson was a decent guy, probably one of the better CEO's NW has had in a while. Anderson probably also saw bigger problems at NW, and decided to take on an easier industry.



The New American is arriving.
User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 20):
I can live without a pretzel, sure - no problem, and I can bring my own magazine. But I hate the CRJ - it's so small and cramped, I actually hurt after a 45 minute flight.

I didn't find Pinnacles CRJ to be too bad on the PIT-MSP flight, yes a bit small but not terrible..It was quieter and more comfortablet ahn the DC9.


User currently offlineHammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 688 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4849 times:

a few notes from the AMFA side of NWA....the cleaners in all stations except for DTW/MSP have been let go, or will be soon. They were offered to stay on at $11.00 per hour or a take a sevrance package of 26 weeks of pay/benefits....also Prospect has been cleaning the planes here in DTW with AMFA knowing about it and they have done nothing to stop NWA from allowing this. A sign of what is to come at NWA.....

25 Adam727 : When I went from PHXto MCI I took an A319 to DTW redeye flight. it was full then the DC-9 to MCI fro DTW. was full to. When I returned to phx I was on
26 Burnsie28 : To base that off of such few flights, come on. NW June system wide load factor was 87.5%
27 PSU.DTW.SCE : 87.5% !!!!!! That is rediculous. Too bad yields are any better, but this proves how much demand there is more air travel. Too bad this industry is so
28 Burnsie28 : Thats what Pars was showing for the end, it may be higher when they release the official results.
29 M404 : Burnsie I think he's saying the it's ridiculous that the LF is so high and profits are still impossible. Hammer Every since the cleaners were surprisi
30 RJpieces : 747-200 #6632 is due out of TLV as #6732 747F on july 29th.. She's being converted in TLV? Do they do a lot of conversions there?
31 Burnsie28 : I know, but what I was just pointing to the source and that it may be higher when the official results come out, because that I dont think it include
32 Trvlr : Yes. IAI Bedek, based at TLV, is a leader in freight conversion. I believe they're doing some 747-400 freighter conversions right now too (though not
33 Rhino4ever : Anderson left for many reasons. Potential to make $10 Million+ vs. a few $100,000 and trying to compete against bankrupt carriers for years, easy choi
34 RJpieces : Potential to make $10 Million Where did he move to?
35 N801NW : Anderson moved to another Minneapolis company, UnitedHealth Group. It's an insurance provider.
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : United Healthcare CEO's in the airline industry make a small fraction of the bloated salaries that CEO's make in other industries.
37 Post contains links KaiGywer : UnitedHealthGroup. http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...tures/2004/10/06_catlinb_anderson/
38 M404 : Need backing for this if anyone has it but I thought I'd heard Mr. Anderson had been lured by a huge pay increase at UH. Somewhere in the 7.5 mil area
39 Post contains links 757dc10fltmech : http://myaviation.net/?pid=00312774 N632US in MSP this winter getting ready for the conversion.
40 Squid : Airline's need CEO's and VP's that do it for the love of aviation, not money. I'm sure there are many people who could and would jump on the chance t
41 Post contains images Burnsie28 : Raises hand an jumps up and down, pick me, pick me
42 B744F : Those poor guys, how do they ever put food on the table???
43 M404 : Squid Gee, that's what management has been telling line workers for awhile now. "If you really love it you'd work for the same as a new hire who expec
44 Post contains images N801NW : Just saw that "A Word from Doug" has been locked away into the intranet and the secure employee website. Not surprised but disappointed.
45 FI642 : News wire call in still has the Dug-line from June 27. The topic du jour was fuel cost. It's a bad thing Richard is gone. Very bad.
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