Favre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 10 Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6903 times:
Heres the breakdown for DC-9 Aircraft to be parked..
and the 5 757-200's will remain in long term storage..
Nwa will be adding 2 more 757-200's to the NRT operation for a total of 6..
747-200 #6632 is due out of TLV as #6732 747F on july 29th..
M404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2214 posts, RR: 5 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6655 times:
What is the time span for these -9s to be taken OTS? By when? It's hard to believe we park 757s while the same 319/320 flts are filled to the brim everyday. Last years 757 flts that were consistantly filled have been downgraded to a 319. I know we can't see the full days costs per acft put it sure makes you wonder.
Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6521 times:
31 DC9s to be parked and 2 more 757s to the Tokyo hub, that is a huge reduction in domestic capacity - are there any aircraft being delivered during the period to compensate, in part, for this big fleet reduction? I know that there are schedule cutbacks for the winter period, but this seems to inidicate that there will be a very signficant schedule cutback on domestic routes. More RJs? Any cities losing mainline service or being cut from the system altogether?
I, too, find it strange that five NW 757-200s remain in long-term storage - the 757 is real money-maker for most airlines and its odd that they cannot be put to use in NW's vast route system.
AirWest From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6501 times:
Increased fleet utilization will aid some of the reduction. NW still has a few 319s due to help as well. There aren't many cities that are losing mainline service, many of the traditional DC-9 cities have a lot of Airbus flying now.
In all seriousness though, its more of what he has done with this Spinzels and everything else, I was told everytime he opens his mouth employee confidence goes down even more. Oh and the DC-9's are NOT that close to cycle limit, they still could have 2-3 years on them.
"Some People Just Know How To Fly"- Best slogan ever, RIP NW 1926-2009
RyanAFAMSP From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 155 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5311 times:
So with N632US going to the freighter fleet, what does this mean to 747-200 pax operations? What is the time frame for LAX getting the A330? Who will keep the 747 classic to the end? HNL? The Pacific beach destinations like Saipan?
The word on the street here in Minneapolis is that the west coast trans pacific flights have been poor performers as of late for Northwest. Not really because of anything NW is doing wrong - but because there are waaay too many seats in the market, emerging markets is china are seeing much more service, and United continues to use the chapter 11 process to prune away whatever costs it wants. Any rumors about how these dynamics will affect fleet and route plans out west?
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6874 posts, RR: 29 Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5255 times:
Most of these aircraft retirements will occur in the fall/early winter of '05 and into '06. NW already has 8 DC-9's in storage, which is included in these 31 aircraft to be retired. The aircraft will come from the annual seasonal reduction of flying, reduction of spares, and increased utilization of other aircraft types. The -9's that will be going will be the oldest, more problematic, or ones pending heavy maintenance. No cities will be cut, and as of now none will lose what mainline service they have. What will happen is changes in frequencies and aircraft type.
Remember that there are about 20 more CRJ's on order. About 5 more for Pinnacle through the end of the summer, and then Mesaba will receive 15 beginning in Oct '05-March '06. Also, NW will/has take delivery of 4 A319/A320 aircraft this year. Not to mention the additional A330's for the widebody fleet, but that doesn't impact narrowbody domestic flying.
NW has taken delivery of a ton of narrowbody & regional aircraft in the past 4 years - A319/A320, CRJ's, 752's, and 753's, yet has not significantly retired any DC-9 aircraft, other than the -10's. The DC-9 fleet utilization is down significantly over the past few years and will still cover most operations with the remaining fleet. Increased utilization of the CRJ's, Avro's, and A319/A320 aircraft will pick up the slack.
As for the 757's, most of those, if not all are pending heavy maintenance. I do agree that NW could likely use them in service though, but the accountants and planners must know better. NW has been running with an absurdly high load factor so far this summer. Just about every day has been in the high 80's, if not into the 90% range.
One concern is that going forward into next summer, if this trend continues, that NW won't have the capacity necessary to handle increased demand. This summer has been absolutely nuts, it brings back memories of 2000. So who knows if all the -9's will be fully retired or will be parked and could be returned to service.
I actually have to side with Burnsie on this one. In my opinion, Steeland isn't exactly taking the best road here. He's not Richard Anderson. Not to place all the blame on Steeland, and numerous execs have been running for the door, but the PR surrounding the service cuts and labor unrest have been handled very poorly. Not to mention the whole labor situation that is boiling over.
N801NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 741 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4721 times:
A NWA FA from the DTW base happened to be seated next to me at the end of March and she had an interesting theory. She believed Andersen may have been shown the door because the labor cuts hadn't come and Steenland's mandate was to get them regardless.
NWCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 641 posts, RR: 15 Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4257 times:
Quoting N801NW (Reply 19): A NWA FA from the DTW base happened to be seated next to me at the end of March and she had an interesting theory. She believed Andersen may have been shown the door because the labor cuts hadn't come and Steenland's mandate was to get them regardless.
BINGO! This is what I thought, and many NW FA's have mentioned that to me as well. I think that Anderson was a decent guy, probably one of the better CEO's NW has had in a while. Anderson probably also saw bigger problems at NW, and decided to take on an easier industry.
Flypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4138 times:
Quoting Nwafflyer (Reply 20): I can live without a pretzel, sure - no problem, and I can bring my own magazine. But I hate the CRJ - it's so small and cramped, I actually hurt after a 45 minute flight.
I didn't find Pinnacles CRJ to be too bad on the PIT-MSP flight, yes a bit small but not terrible..It was quieter and more comfortablet ahn the DC9.
Hammer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 677 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3828 times:
a few notes from the AMFA side of NWA....the cleaners in all stations except for DTW/MSP have been let go, or will be soon. They were offered to stay on at $11.00 per hour or a take a sevrance package of 26 weeks of pay/benefits....also Prospect has been cleaning the planes here in DTW with AMFA knowing about it and they have done nothing to stop NWA from allowing this. A sign of what is to come at NWA.....
25 Adam727: When I went from PHXto MCI I took an A319 to DTW redeye flight. it was full then the DC-9 to MCI fro DTW. was full to. When I returned to phx I was on
26 Burnsie28: To base that off of such few flights, come on. NW June system wide load factor was 87.5%
27 PSU.DTW.SCE: 87.5% !!!!!! That is rediculous. Too bad yields are any better, but this proves how much demand there is more air travel. Too bad this industry is so
28 Burnsie28: Thats what Pars was showing for the end, it may be higher when they release the official results.
29 M404: Burnsie I think he's saying the it's ridiculous that the LF is so high and profits are still impossible. Hammer Every since the cleaners were surprisi
30 RJpieces: 747-200 #6632 is due out of TLV as #6732 747F on july 29th.. She's being converted in TLV? Do they do a lot of conversions there?
31 Burnsie28: I know, but what I was just pointing to the source and that it may be higher when the official results come out, because that I dont think it include
32 Trvlr: Yes. IAI Bedek, based at TLV, is a leader in freight conversion. I believe they're doing some 747-400 freighter conversions right now too (though not
33 Rhino4ever: Anderson left for many reasons. Potential to make $10 Million+ vs. a few $100,000 and trying to compete against bankrupt carriers for years, easy choi
34 RJpieces: Potential to make $10 Million Where did he move to?
35 N801NW: Anderson moved to another Minneapolis company, UnitedHealth Group. It's an insurance provider.
36 PSU.DTW.SCE: United Healthcare CEO's in the airline industry make a small fraction of the bloated salaries that CEO's make in other industries.