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Air Scandic - Can It Continue?  
User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5205 times:

Fair enough airlines have delays. However Air Scandic took the biscuit bought mcvities, there delays are outstanding.

Passenger opinion 99% of the time is poor http://www.carsurvey.org/air/airlineyear_Air+Scandic_2005.html

Bearing in mind Air Scandic is a virtual airline can anyone stop them making a mess of peoples holidays this year?

There was another great delay whilst i was at EMA yesterday.


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User currently offlineCiaomc2002 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Air Scandic is a really bad airline. I dont think they own any of their aircraft, as I know they used to lease from Finnair. I dont even think it runs as a proper operation, the HR department is in Jersey and everything seems to be subcontracted.

I am currently creating a business plan - for a project - to see how Air Scandic would fair as a new business, sort of (in a virtual world) bought by myself and restarted as a rival to the likes of Mytravel etc.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5000 times:

Quoting Ciaomc2002 (Reply 1):
Air Scandic is a really bad airline.

Not in my experiences.
NCL-TFS-NCL G-SWJW A300. Professional crew, good meals, IFE.
DLM-MAN G-TTMC A300. Slight delay, but as above, very good experience.



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User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
Not in my experiences.

Well that's when they had their own planes.

With Air Scandic this year I've had a 2 hour delay outbound from MAN and a cancellation on the inbound which resulted in an Excel 757 stopping off to pick us up on it's way to another greek island. Total delay time for that was 7 hours. Nice work.



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User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4889 times:

I think they had capacity lined up for this year but lost it so they seem to be getting one-off sub-charters for a lot of their flights at the moment which is a very expensive way to operate. They'll be very hard pressed to find capacity once it starts getting really busy in a couple of weeks.


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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17186 posts, RR: 66
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

I hate to bring it up but any airline with that livery should be banned from flying Big grin


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User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4854 times:
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Quoting Airchabum (Reply 4):
They'll be very hard pressed to find capacity once it starts getting really busy in a couple of weeks.

What's also going to hit them is that they've now got an image of being a financially struggling company, as a result some airlines will not perform sub-charter work for them due to the risk that they may be unable to pay for such services afterwards. This is especially true in peak season when there is less risky work on offer...

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineGAWZU From United Kingdom, joined May 2002, 235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Was at STN this morning at around 0930... SCY2231 to Kos "Delayed indefinitely" and passengers told to wait for the next announcement at 1100! Not sure what the problem was as SE-RDH was sitting on the tarmac.

User currently offlineMACDADDY From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 183 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4713 times:

Crosswind thats non-sense. Airlines usually cover ACMI upfront and Air Scandic have paid upfront every time, either that or they get the broker to cover them and that works as well. There is a massive shortage of capacity in Europe anyway but they get by as all airlines do!

MAC



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User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4704 times:

"New" Jet-X MD-80 TF-JXC (former Spanair a/c) ferried into EMA from PMI yesterday to cover the Scandic program from EMA.

Andy


User currently offlineAIHTOURS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4676 times:

Hi,

Air Scandics' fleet are operated by Finnair (757) and Viking Airlines (MD-83).

Therefore, problems with the fleet must be the operators problem respectively.

The problem is, it's not the operator that's getting the bad reports, its the brand who is using the Aircraft, Air Scandic.

The answer to your question is yes, Air Scandic can continue, all it needs to do is sort its fleet out as soon as possible. That's going to be hard though.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
I hate to bring it up but any airline with that livery should be banned from flying

They do not operate in that scheme anymore, here is their latest offering:


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I went to East Midlands Airport on Sunday, and really did want to get some pictures of Air Scandic Aircraft, there was about 2 scheduled for the 2 hours I was there. Not one Air Scandic MD-83 turned up.

One flight was really bad, SCY4466 from Kos was expected at EMA at 0340 Monday 4 July, 1 whole day late!

I believe Air Scandic can change the way things are going, but the MD-83s are causing too much trouble. At Newcastle where there are 757s based, I have been told there doesn't seem to be problems to the same extent as we have heard in this thread.

Come on AirScan, get it sorted!

Regards,
AIHTOURS


User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4660 times:

If you were at EMA on sunday did you see me depart? DP46, Photos?


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User currently offlineAIHTOURS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Hi,

Quoting TravelTime (Reply 11):
If you were at EMA on sunday did you see me depart? DP46, Photos?

I am sorry, I did get the Photos, it was G-OOOG wasn't it?

The problem was, I have such a small memory card, and was taking Photos in high quality mode and because the G-OOOG picture was pretty bad, I deleted it to make space!

There wasn't any need really to make space, I thought East Midlands Airport on Sunday was not very busy at all, I saw about 7 flights!

I got home and had a look at the Photos I made space for, only to see how bad they where.

I was at the Airport with Aaron Lupton, and if I remember, he got a Photo of G-OOOG. I will get in touch and report back with the Photos for you.

Cheers,
AIHTOURS  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineAIHTOURS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4603 times:

Hi,

Just thought I'd add something, the Air Scandic website is not working, so maybe they are updating it?

www.airscandic.com

Or is it just me?

Cheers,
AIHTOURS  Smile


User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2603 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4561 times:
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Quoting MACDADDY (Reply 8):
Crosswind thats non-sense

I've got first-hand information to the contrary, from more than one airline, that they will not perfrom sub-service work for Air Scandic.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineAIHTOURS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4535 times:

Hello,

Air Slovakia has been doing subbing work for Air Scandic at Nottingham East Midlands Airport.

I saw an Air Slovakia 757 operating for SCY on Sunday at NEMA, and there is a Photo in the database of an Air Slovakia 757 operating for Air Scandic on June 18th 2005 at Nottingham East Midlands Airport.


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Air Slovakia must be doing other duties at other Airports for Air Scandic as well as Nottingham East Midlands Airport.

Quoting Skymonster (Reply 9):
"New" Jet-X MD-80 TF-JXC (former Spanair a/c) ferried into EMA from PMI yesterday to cover the Scandic program from EMA.

Now that JetX are helping out at NEMA aswell, this summer at NEMA should have some good variety!

Lots of team work going on for Air Scandic with:

Finnair
Viking Airlines
Air Slovakia
JetX

all helping them out!

Hopefully things should improve, at NEMA at least!

Cheers,
AIHTOURS  Smile


User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

The scandic website works, i think you have the click on the nice looking suns.

Well if it was around 16:45 then it was G-OOOG didnt catch it, other than that it could have been the Ibiza flight that was G-OOOG.



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

SCY subbed in a "White" A310 at NCL to cover the based 757 which went to GLA to cover a 757 that went tech operating to SFB recently.


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1639 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4480 times:

Quoting Crosswind (Reply 14):
I've got first-hand information to the contrary, from more than one airline, that they will not perfrom sub-service work for Air Scandic.

Crosswind,

Though as Air Scandic's flights are all operated by other carriers, wouldn't they be responsible for any subcharters?

i.e Finnair 757 goes tech, then Finnair arrange and pay for sub?

Cheers



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User currently offlineAIHTOURS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 4470 times:

Hi,

Sun Adria also have done a sub for Air Scandic at EMA on 5th July 2005, as well as JetX on the 5th July 2005.

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 18):
Crosswind,

Though as Air Scandic's flights are all operated by other carriers, wouldn't they be responsible for any subcharters?

i.e Finnair 757 goes tech, then Finnair arrange and pay for sub?

That sounds correct to me!

Quoting TravelTime (Reply 16):
Well if it was around 16:45 then it was G-OOOG didnt catch it, other than that it could have been the Ibiza flight that was G-OOOG.

I have not seen any flight logs for EMA from 3rd July 2005, but I can try and help.

I was at the Airport from 1:30pm > 3:30pm

I saw two First Choice Airways Aircraft during that time.

G-OOOG departed around 2:00pm I would say (guess).

G-OOAH arrived about 3:00pm (guess) , I presume to do the scheduled DP Cyprus run.

Some of my friends went on your flight about 4 Weeks ago, when it was operated by G-OOAE (aircraft changes most of the time), every Sunday I usually see (when I go) the Aircraft that is going to do the DP46 flight to Cyprus Land at EMA.

From that very sketchy information, I am presuming you flew on A321 G-OOAH (I've flew on her 4 times!, my favourite FCA Aircraft), and I do have Photographs of G-OOAH landing on Sunday 3rd July 2005 to start the DP46 flight (I presume).

I do not have access to the Photos at the moment, but will post them when I do. Again, Aaron will hopefully have Photos of G-OOAH as well as myself.

So to confirm, you flew on G-OOAH in the afternoon on Sunday 3rd July?

What I have said above is not very accurate at all, so please feel free to correct me!  

Regards,
AIHTOURS  





[Edited 2005-07-07 00:24:31]

[Edited 2005-07-07 00:25:06]

User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

Yes it would have been the A321.

There was another Scandic delay and the passengers were wating for information as well.



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4419 times:

I thought one of the Md-80's was their own.... in partial Air Scandic colours.

User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quote:
I thought one of the Md-80's was their own.... in partial Air Scandic colours.

They havent got an AOC so they cant operate there own aircraft, so it got to be another company operating it.



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User currently offlineJetset7E7 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 1090 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

The MD80's are operated by Viking Airlines, and the 757's are operated by Finnair. Finnair 757 OH-LBU was at MAN today parked on remote getting loaded up with catering early this morning.
White A310 CS-TKI was also recently at MAN operating for Air Scandic.

Also bit off topic but MON A330 G-EOMA operated XLA220V to ACE from MAN today, aircraft shortage for Excel?

Mark



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User currently offlineTravelTime From Cyprus, joined Jun 2005, 43 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

Quote:


Also bit off topic but MON A330 G-EOMA operated XLA220V to ACE from MAN today, aircraft shortage for Excel?

I am suprised Monarch had the capacity to manage a A330 for them.



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25 Jetset7E7 : It came in from Jardines Del Ray (CCC) as MON346 at 0550, was due at 0510. G-EOMA was due for a daystop at MAN, and is operating MON325 to Holguin (HO
26 Jmc757 : Air Scandic is a strange set up. They get all this flying and then sub-contract it to people. Yet they still provide cabin crew on employment contract
27 Post contains links and images AIHTOURS : Hi, Some Valid points there Jmc757. No Problem, I posted this a while back (all the information is off the Air Scandic Website, so if you find this a
28 Jmc757 : See, thats what I don't get. According to the website there should be 5 MD83s and 3 Boeing 757s in action. However, I don't think there is?
29 Post contains links and images AIHTOURS : Hi, The information on the Website has been updated since I posted it originally in another thread, and I had to update it when I wrote it above accor
30 Post contains links and images AIHTOURS : Hello, Air Scandic must have asked for some of the reviews off the Car Survey Website to be removed. Now there are only 5 reviews Reading some of the
31 SpeedbirdEGJJ : AIHTOURS Sorry to be picky but the Hello is a MD-90!. Would be nice to get a ride on one, becoming increasingly hard in Europe. Ryan
32 Post contains links and images AIHTOURS : No problem Ryan, the review said "MD plane" so I assumed it was a MD-83. I checked the database so I should have noticed! Thanks for noticing   Just
33 Orion737 : Please let SCY with their long delays, unreliability and fondness for old aircraft continue. They remind me of the good old days when charter flying i
34 Jetset7E7 : Finnair 757 OH-LBR postioned through MAN today as SCY772P from BFS, and onto HEL as SCY901P. Anyone know why it came through MAN, and not just direct
35 BlueShamu330s : Sounds like one crew did a BFS-XXX-BFS rotation, then ferried her to MAN for a new crew to take her home. Shamu
36 WhiteHatter : That's most likely, or maybe a visit to SR Technics for something. However getting a MAN stationed crew out to BFS to pick the aircraft up would have
37 SBE727 : ORION737 I couldnt agree with you more. Although im only in my mid 20's, i do remember Peach/Air ops etc etc. The hustle and bustle with all the excit
38 Post contains links and images AIHTOURS : Hi, I'm SignalOne btw Orion, nice to see you replying   Luckily, we will be still having the same kind of mixed bag of Aircraft at Air Scandic in the
39 Post contains links and images AIHTOURS : They have not gone bust haven't they? Just read this here(top reply): heard lots of problems with this airline!! why? then she was told they gone bust
40 MIAMIx707 : Well they did a flight to Sanford thursday the 21st, so at least until yesturday they were operating, lol. Don't know how current the flight informati
41 AIHTOURS : Hello, I am pleased to say that for the past 4 days at East Midlands Airport, there have been no delays regarding Air Scandic. MD-83 SE-RDH, has had s
42 Diesel1 : Read somewhere they have leased a Skyservice A319.. arrived a week or two ago
43 Captaingomes : You are correct Diesel1. So how many aircraft are currently operating for Air Scandic? I didn't know anything about this operation and I find it fasci
44 Post contains links Planesailing : http://www.ringwayreports.co.uk/C-GTDX_DM_290705.jpg Photographed at Manchester on the 30/7
45 AIHTOURS : Not the best of news: Some of the Worst Air Scandic delays 13:22, 8/8/05, at EMA: EMA Arrivals: SCY4474 Faro 09:00 Delayed 20:45 SCY4412 Corfu 13:30 D
46 AIHTOURS : Hello, Air Scandic have been on BBC "East Midlands Today" and ITV Central News. A passenger has contacted The Sun newspaper. I think the question "Air
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