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Anyone Heard Anything On The FA Strike At UA?  
User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

I'm flying on UA next weekend from DEN, and have been watching with interest for any reports here (or on CNN) that FA strikes (or CHAOS actions) are in place. Haven't seen any yet though.

Thanks- Bruce.

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User currently offlineFlypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3828 times:

I don't think much has happened.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

If United's Flight Attendants call for a strike, and the flight attendants don't care to hear it, does it get in the newspaper?

I think you catch on to my parallel...



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User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3745 times:

We received an internal memo (on 01JUL) at AA advising of the possible strike by UA flight attendants, and the special procedures that would go into effect at AA if the UA strike did materialize.

No further updates have been issued thus far.



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3739 times:

I suspect the majority of UA F/A's recognize that a strike would doom their airline.

User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3718 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4):
I suspect the majority of UA F/A's recognize that a strike would doom their airline.

Not necessarily. I am not a proponent of strike, but there was a 2 hour strike where I work the other day about a pension problem. I was out working and knew nothing of it until the next day. Well, in 2 hours, the problem was resolved.

I understand fuel prices and ticket prices, but that is for the consumer to fill in the gap, not the employees. Nothing is getting less expensive out there to compensate.

United and all the airlines need a strike or something to make them understand it is the consumer that must bear this burden. There are many things to consider and I realize at least some of the effect on customers and other things, but come on. There has to be a stop somewhere.

If the cost of business goes up, the cost of the product goes up.

M


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21511 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

I am so sick of this type of comment. Are airfares too low? Yes. But are employee benefits and salaries overdone as well? Yes, they were, and some still are. This is the same mentality that put the NHL into a year long strike and pretty much destroyed it as an entity even now. Players had negotiated unsustainable salaries then refused to deal with reality, namely, they were getting paid more than they were worth and the market would bare. If UA F/As think the world will stop if UA stops flying or that UA will magically come up with more money, they are as delusional as the NHLPA.


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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

This crap reminds me of a little kid threatening to hold his breathe until he dies unless his mom gives him some candy.

Mark


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

I see that either of you are in the airline industry.

Aside from a total liquidation (so far) I have felt the worst of the worst taking a pay cut and still getting laid off from an airline.

Flight attendants and pilots pay their dues with small pay in the first years and working long and hard to increase pay. Really, pay is not as important as your future and retirement.

I am also a paramedic. When Medicare starts lowering their pay back, you will be raising some h**l too when it starts cutting in to your bottom line and not just the company's. Combine that with the current fuel prices and you may start feeling the pressure too.

M


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 721 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

The AFA has really backed themselves into a corner. Some/many of their members are unhappy with the way they have carried themselves over the years (ESOP, recent contract negotiations) and my mom was saying there was recently a small effort to get a new union.

So now they've decided they're going to get tough and fight for their members. But it's almost too little too late and about the only thing they can do at this point is huff and puff and threaten to blow the house down (aka "CHAOS").

The problem with THAT is, before they institute CHOAS, they'd better be DAMN sure the membership is going to follow suit or they're going to lose whatever shread of credibility they have left and management is going to serve their cajones on silver platters. And between the junior F/As who don't give a rat's ass about the seniors' pensions, and enough senior F/As who remember EA and know CHAOS=chapter 7, the AFA has (wisely, IMHO) chosen to shut up this week rather than put up.

All that to say: haven't heard anything internally or externally so far and doubt we will.



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User currently offlineBrucek From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Thanks everyone. I'll just keep watching the news. Bruce.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 2):
If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

yes..



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User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3536 times:

I don't know if this site will be useful or not - but here it is:

Association of Flight Attendants - CWA

http://www.afanet.org/


User currently offlineJetclipper747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

[quote=AsstChiefMark,reply=7][This crap reminds me of a little kid threatening to hold his breathe until he dies unless his mom gives him some candy./quote]

Actually, you're not too far off. Only thing is the AFA is getting kids to hold their breath for them - the F/A. I know the AFA "officers" won't be jumping into the line of fire. As far as I know there has not been an action as of yet. The reason is that AFA is still studying if the C.H.A.O.S. is protected by the Railway Labor Act. Think about it, if the AFA where 100% sure that they were right (which as I have questioned them several times about various decisions) they will always say that they're right and just waiting for the right moment. If an action is done, it will probably be at a non- hub station where reserves can't be drawn from the pool at a moments notice. If you ask the AFA they will tell you that they have thousands waiting to jump into the CHAOS ship but in reality I think the real number would be at about 30-40%. Many of us realize that it would be the jump off of the deep end. Still too gray.

[Edited 2005-07-05 02:15:05]


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