ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3051 times:
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 4): I suspect the majority of UA F/A's recognize that a strike would doom their airline.
Not necessarily. I am not a proponent of strike, but there was a 2 hour strike where I work the other day about a pension problem. I was out working and knew nothing of it until the next day. Well, in 2 hours, the problem was resolved.
I understand fuel prices and ticket prices, but that is for the consumer to fill in the gap, not the employees. Nothing is getting less expensive out there to compensate.
United and all the airlines need a strike or something to make them understand it is the consumer that must bear this burden. There are many things to consider and I realize at least some of the effect on customers and other things, but come on. There has to be a stop somewhere.
If the cost of business goes up, the cost of the product goes up.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3010 times:
I am so sick of this type of comment. Are airfares too low? Yes. But are employee benefits and salaries overdone as well? Yes, they were, and some still are. This is the same mentality that put the NHL into a year long strike and pretty much destroyed it as an entity even now. Players had negotiated unsustainable salaries then refused to deal with reality, namely, they were getting paid more than they were worth and the market would bare. If UA F/As think the world will stop if UA stops flying or that UA will magically come up with more money, they are as delusional as the NHLPA.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2960 times:
I see that either of you are in the airline industry.
Aside from a total liquidation (so far) I have felt the worst of the worst taking a pay cut and still getting laid off from an airline.
Flight attendants and pilots pay their dues with small pay in the first years and working long and hard to increase pay. Really, pay is not as important as your future and retirement.
I am also a paramedic. When Medicare starts lowering their pay back, you will be raising some h**l too when it starts cutting in to your bottom line and not just the company's. Combine that with the current fuel prices and you may start feeling the pressure too.
UALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 633 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2953 times:
The AFA has really backed themselves into a corner. Some/many of their members are unhappy with the way they have carried themselves over the years (ESOP, recent contract negotiations) and my mom was saying there was recently a small effort to get a new union.
So now they've decided they're going to get tough and fight for their members. But it's almost too little too late and about the only thing they can do at this point is huff and puff and threaten to blow the house down (aka "CHAOS").
The problem with THAT is, before they institute CHOAS, they'd better be DAMN sure the membership is going to follow suit or they're going to lose whatever shread of credibility they have left and management is going to serve their cajones on silver platters. And between the junior F/As who don't give a rat's ass about the seniors' pensions, and enough senior F/As who remember EA and know CHAOS=chapter 7, the AFA has (wisely, IMHO) chosen to shut up this week rather than put up.
All that to say: haven't heard anything internally or externally so far and doubt we will.
"We hope you've enjoyed flying with us as much as we've enjoyed taking you for a ride."
Jetclipper747 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 24 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2856 times:
[quote=AsstChiefMark,reply=7][This crap reminds me of a little kid threatening to hold his breathe until he dies unless his mom gives him some candy./quote]
Actually, you're not too far off. Only thing is the AFA is getting kids to hold their breath for them - the F/A. I know the AFA "officers" won't be jumping into the line of fire. As far as I know there has not been an action as of yet. The reason is that AFA is still studying if the C.H.A.O.S. is protected by the Railway Labor Act. Think about it, if the AFA where 100% sure that they were right (which as I have questioned them several times about various decisions) they will always say that they're right and just waiting for the right moment. If an action is done, it will probably be at a non- hub station where reserves can't be drawn from the pool at a moments notice. If you ask the AFA they will tell you that they have thousands waiting to jump into the CHAOS ship but in reality I think the real number would be at about 30-40%. Many of us realize that it would be the jump off of the deep end. Still too gray.