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Kenya Airways: Bombay Overflowing With Jews!  
User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

This is hilarious!

According to Kenya Airways' Bombay Destination Guide:

When to go:No matter what time of year it is climate should not be a key reason, most fraction of the country is always enjoyable. You may desire to keep away from major Jewish holidays, because it fills up with pilgrims and room prices go up and travel is nearly impossible.

http://www.kenya-airways.com/root/pages/English/mumbai.ASP

Reese, are you reading this?  Wink

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User currently offlineXpat From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9132 times:

Funny. I had read that a few weeks ago on their website, and was wondering what they meant!!


The only thing we have to fear is the sky falling on our heads. -Asterix
User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9082 times:

Don`t you know Qiryat Mumbai in Israel? It could be near Haifa.  Big grin

... or they just mixed up something.

Axel



Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8765 times:

I avoid it during major Presbyterian holidays as well.


The dude abides
User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8577 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8592 times:

It sorta makes sense if true. Is Bombay a popular vacation destination for Israelis? If so, the statement is prefectly clear. it's no different than avoiding Florida during the Winter school holidays in the US.

User currently offlineUs330 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3873 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8562 times:

Airbazar, they talk about Bombay overflowing with Jewish pilgrims, not holiday makers...and the last time I checked, Judaism has no holy sites in Bombay, let alone the whole of India........
Kenya Airways should be ashamed of themselves for posting such an ignorant, and factually wrong, statement......


User currently offlineLegendDC9 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):
It sorta makes sense if true. Is Bombay a popular vacation destination for Israelis? If so, the statement is prefectly clear. it's no different than avoiding Florida during the Winter school holidays in the US.

That is rather true, There are thousands of Israelis in India at any time. they are mostly there for trekking and vacationing but I never saw any perticular excess during Holiday times. Israelis just love going to India... That's all.


User currently offlineDanialanwar From Switzerland, joined Mar 2001, 421 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8402 times:

Quoting Us330 (Reply 5):
overflowing with Jewish pilgrims, not holiday makers

Well, judging from the numerous English mistakes on that webpage it is possible that they have picked / translated the wrong word!

Have a look at the destination guide for Hong Kong ... and the lengthy visa procedures for Hong Kong'ers on certain passports to get into Switzerland (ironically, they dont fly to Switzerland)!

So I would take everything there with a (huge) pinch of salt!



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User currently offlineNamaskar From Switzerland, joined Dec 2004, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 8381 times:

US330, you need to check your facts. India has been a home to different Jewish communities for hundreds of years. Ever been to Cochin? One of the oldest sites of Jewish heritage in the world followed by later merchant communities in Calcutta and Mumbai...

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/indians.html

http://www.jewishmuseum.net/Permanent/Indian_Jews.htm


User currently offlineXkorpyoh From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8287 times:

Quoting Namaskar (Reply 8):
Ever been to Cochin? One of the oldest sites of Jewish heritage in the world followed by later merchant communities in Calcutta and Mumbai...

been there.. just 1 synagogue as a historical site but doesnt mean it is overflowing with jewish "pilgrims" or even jewish visitors. There are mostly indian anyway.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8246 times:

maybe they meant NY during the jewish holidays.

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8208 times:

Reese, are you reading this?

Hahaha  Smile

Is Bombay a popular vacation destination for Israelis?

YES. Thailand as well. Lots of Israelis go there after their Army service.

India has been a home to different Jewish communities for hundreds of years.

Still is. And there are many Indian Jews in Israel, and even some in the US.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7498 times:

Quoting Jasepl (Thread starter):


When to go:No matter what time of year it is climate should not be a key reason, most fraction of the country is always enjoyable. You may desire to keep away from major Jewish holidays, because it fills up with pilgrims and room prices go up and travel is nearly impossible.

I think the topic title is misleading, as it does not state exactly what is on the page. There are many reasons to avoid any city at a certain time in the year, and we shall not make a big fuss out of this one just because it happened to be in regards to a Jewish holiday. Why do things have to be blown out of proportion when they have a jewish connotation?


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7218 times:

What about agreeing upun avoiding travel during certain Christian holidays? We can start with Christmas.

Then we could also free up a lot of air space by avoiding all those heavily overloaded cargo flights from Greenland to all over the world.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7136 times:
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It is a typo for sure.

I'm a Jewish American and have never heard of Jews going to India except casually as tourists, as people do from all countries.
There are no Jewish pilgrimage sites in India (there aren't really pilgrimage sites in Judaism at all except for the Western Wall in Jerusalem).

The line from the Kenyan Airways guide is definitely referring to Jerusalem -- that is the only city in the world where it is noticeable that it is the Jewish High Holy Days (not even in New York could a non-native tell)


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Is it just me or is it that I only see they confused the word "Jewish" with "Hinduist"?????

Quoting ETStar (Reply 12):
Why do things have to be blown out of proportion when they have a jewish connotation?

Sad mistake but not to be taken too serious. It is just a mishandling of words. I think there was no pun intended.



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 644 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6937 times:
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Yes, Pzurita1 -- that could be it also.

No big deal, more funny than anything.


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5619 times:

As a Jew myself,I never heard of any holy place in India.
But IMO means as during The Holidays people don't work, thus having extra time to spare, they plan trips(for example, the famous ''Chol Hamoed Trips!!), and as abovementioned, India is a popular destination, so that would explain the ''overflowing'' of tourist.
So...
People with money + Nothing to do + Interesting and cheap place not so far away= Full planes to that x place.


Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33195 posts, RR: 71
Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5562 times:

Quoting Dartland (Reply 14):

I'm a Jewish American and have never heard of Jews going to India except casually as tourists, as people do from all countries.

Just because you haven't heard of Jews in India doesn't mean there is not a Jewish community in India. In fact, until the 1950s, Mumbai was home to a very large and thriving Jewish community. However, when Israel was formed in 1948, the population largely migrated to Israel.

Today's Jewish community in India is still centred in Mumbai. It is not as large as it once was, but it is more significant than it's small numbers suggest.



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User currently offlineToxtethogrady From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5444 times:

When you're in love, the whole world's Jewish...

User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5179 times:

Uhh???

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Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5562 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5102 times:

Having just experienced it, one should also avoid St. Bertha's Day in Washington. The place was overrun; she must be the patron saint of firecrackers and sky rockets. I wonder if Kenya Airways knows this?


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5080 times:

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 19):
When you're in love, the whole world's Jewish...

???

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
Just because you haven't heard of Jews in India doesn't mean there is not a Jewish community in India.

Indeed. There was an Indian Jew at my passover seder this year and he was saying that when people meet him, he hears "So when did you convert?" all too often.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
It is not as large as it once was, but it is more significant than it's small numbers suggest.

Jewish communities in the Far East fascinate me. I met another Indian Jew last year whose family traces their lineage back to Baghdad in the 1500s. On a separate note, there was an article in the NY times a few years back about an American Catholic businessman who was trying to resurect the ancient Jewish community in Shanghai. Not resurect as in bringing Jews to China, but exploring and restoring some of the old buildings, etc.


User currently offlineAR1300 From Argentina, joined Feb 2005, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4808 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 22):
ancient Jewish community in Shanghai.

There was a big comunity in Shanghai.All the students and a lot of the folks from the city of Mir went to shangai with Japanese passports given to them by Dr.Kotsuji, later converted to Abraham Kotsuji.
My Rosh Yeshiva's wife was born in Shanghai.

Mike



They don't call us Continental for nothing.
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 4768 times:

Quoting Airbazar (Reply 4):
It sorta makes sense if true. Is Bombay a popular vacation destination for Israelis? If so, the statement is prefectly clear.

Yes, but they aren't really pilgrims

Quoting Namaskar (Reply 8):
India has been a home to different Jewish communities for hundreds of years.

Absolutely correct! In fact, I got to know a very nice Indian jewish girl in London, who told me a lot on how their community has interwined into South Asian Culture.. there are also communities in CCU (armenian jews as well as orthodox) and other cities..

back to the topic..: I agree with the Thread Starter and other comments, the comments are maybe a little far-fetched: I have never seen a disorder here during Jewish Holidays (rather there is a permanent disorder here Big grin )


25 TKMCE : Last heard the community in Cochin was down to about 15! But one of Cochin's foremost tourist attractions though - the synagogue I mean. But you are
26 Mrniji : Rajeev, you are absolutely correct. When I was in Goa in January, I had to visit the police for reasons I do not want to emphasize on, and they told
27 Jasepl : Oh come off it! Did you even understand the purpose of my posting this? I suspect not. Bombay is not overflowing with Jewish people, no matter what K
28 Zvezda : I agree that "pilgrims" was most likely a translation error. They probably meant "tourists".
29 Xpat : Even if they meant tourists, I don't think the percentage is that large that it would impact hotel availability etc. I believe this post was meant to
30 Post contains images Jasepl : Exactly! Oi! Don't lagao panvati!
31 ConcordeLoss : LOL.. Thats exactly what I was thinking. So how large is the community in terms of numbers?
32 Xpat : O varyu, o varyu (this is to help rid any forthcoming panvati).
33 Post contains images Jasepl : Not too many any more... A couple of thousand at most, I would think. There used to be many more Jews in Bombay in the past, but most have moved away
34 Jasepl : Thanks! With khodaiji's blessings, I should be safe!
35 Post contains links Xpat : Some further information for those who are interested. http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/indians.html
36 Post contains images Mrniji : My friend told me about 5,000 in BOM (no idea about CCU, COK and other cities)- no idea how reliable this is - If I was in my Uni library now, I coul
37 Post contains images Xpat : Sorry, those blessing only offer protection for those of "The Faith"   Why would anyone move to New Delhi?[Edited 2005-07-06 14:17:17]
38 Jasepl : It's a play on words (and a tasteless, but funny, joke): Delhi - Deli (as in delicatessen). But I agree, why would anyone move there? I went once, it
39 Post contains images Xpat : Ahh...got it. *smirk*. Now are "tasteless" and "delicatessen" also somehow related?
40 Post contains links RJpieces : Now are "tasteless" and "delicatessen" also somehow related? Lol. From the website somebody linked above: In March 2005, Chief Rabbi Shlomo Amar decid
41 Post contains images Jasepl : Reese and Kairas... Thanks for the links! Now, could you find out which major holidays cause millions of Jewish pilgrims to come to Bombay? I'll try a
42 Post contains images Xpat : Good plan. I remember there being a mad rush at the gefilte fish monger every now and then.
43 Post contains links and images Jasepl : Hahahahahhaahah! It looks like someone at KQ's been reading Anet! They have changed the Bombay Destination Guide to read: When to go: The period betwe
44 Post contains images RJpieces : It looks like someone at KQ's been reading Anet! They have changed the Bombay Destination Guide to read: When to go: The period between October and Fe
45 Jasepl : That's what I'd like to know! And, while they're at it, there's a lot of other crap on that site...
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