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Webjet: No Chance Against Gol?  
User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4014 posts, RR: 13
Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Webjet has its website up and selling tickets at www.webjet.com.br. They are working with a single price. GIG-BSB for example is $238 reais. GRU-POA is $214 reais and GRU-BSB is $205 reais each way.

Advance purchase lowest fares on Gol undercut all these Webjet fares. GIG-BSB can be had for as low as $194 reais each way, GRU-POA for $149 and GRU-BSB for $186. These fares are available only on one or a few departures on Gol. But then Webjet is at this point a one plane, one frequency per market shop. Gol on the other hand has an ever growing fleet and a wide variety of departure times at slightly higher fares. Gol is a reconized brand too. Webjet needs at least some ordinary revenue management with multiple fares to have a shot at surviving, and even so that is a long shot.


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User currently offlineEMBTucano From Brazil, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Somebody know where their planes came from ?

Thanks
EMBTucano



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User currently offlineKempa From Brazil, joined Aug 2003, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2050 times:

Looking at their schedule, I would be very surprised if they can make those 20-30 minute turnovers as they scheduled. It's just too aggressive for an airline with one airplane.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2041 times:
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Webjet will not pay to Agents so they have no access to almost 70% of Brazilian market which could become a problem on start up. Also, as Incitatus said, they offer only a single flight GIG-POA, GIG-BSB, BSB-GRU-POA, GRU-POA, POA-BSB. Let's see how their marketing works.
With R$ 10 mm on cash, they probably can be aggressive during some months.

Quoting EMBTucano (Reply 1):
Somebody know where their planes came from ?

unfortunately not. Anyone knows ?

Rgds,
Felipe



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2029 times:

They are ex-RG/Nordeste 733s. That's the plane in RG's colors:


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Recognize? I do.

Their future does not look too bright to me, especially with BRA starting up much stronger then them very soon.

PPVRA



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

WebJet will begin operation on 12 July, that's in 5 day. That's all for now.

First flight, where to? CNF, GIG, POA?

PPVRA



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1985 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 5):
First flight, where to? CNF, GIG, POA?

GIG-BSB, July 12, ETD 0700 ETA 0840 NonStop

And....
BSB-GRU, July 12, ETD 0900 ETA 1035 NonStop
GRU-POA July 12, ETD 1055 ETA 1235 NonStop
POA-GIG July 12, ETD 1255 ETA 1435 NonStop
GIG-POA, July 12, ETD 1505 ETA 1650 NonStop
POA-GRU, July 12, ETD 1710 ETA 1840 NonStop
GRU-BSB, July 12, ETD 1900 ETA 2035 NonStop
BSB-GIG, July 12, ETD 2055 ETA 2235 NonStop

The second plane will be in service on september/october. Northeast and CNF are the next destinations, always from GIG (HQ and Hub)

Regards,
Felipe



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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1941 times:
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Varig has just announced special fares for the same routes operated by Webjet: GIG-POA, POA-GRU, GRU-BSB, BSB-GIG and BSB-POA. Prices are quite the same as Webjet.

Rgds,
Felipe



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineTR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 775 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 4):
Their future does not look too bright to me, especially with BRA starting up much stronger then them very soon.PPVRA

Unfortunately I have the same feeling. I don't know why, but do you remember that airline that started operations almost at the same time of GOL, but then failed to continue operating, that NACIONAL airline?
I sometimes associate Webjet's success to this airline... Just hope I'm very wrong...
Their timetable seems too much to be operated with only one plane. And as I heard that the second 737 will come only 60 days after the first flight, I believe they'll have a hard time in this very beggining.
I do hope they get more planes and become a consolidated airline in the future.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Varig has just announced special fares for the same routes operated by Webjet

The fear factor seems to have knocked on RG's door!  Smile

Best rgs!
TR763



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1903 times:

RG and JJ have also announced discounts to EZE.

PPVRA



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User currently offlineKLM685 From Mexico, joined May 2005, 1577 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting EMBTucano (Reply 1):
Somebody know where their planes came from ?

Well Airfleets only talk about one aircraft (PT-MNJ)

Delivery Date Operator Registration Remark
20/06/1991 VASP PP-SOK
16/12/1992 Transbrazil PT-TEQ
01/09/2001 Rio Sul PT-MNJ
01/05/2005 WebJet PT-MNJ



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User currently offlineUnicorn From Vatican City, joined Nov 2003, 102 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Quoting EMBTucano (Reply 1):
Somebody know where their planes came from ?

Thanks
EMBTucano

At least one of them is leased from global aircraft lessor AWAS.

MSN of the AWAS aircraft is 25057. Was previously with Nordeste and TransBrazil.

At least Webjet seems to be paying their lessors, unlike Varig.

Unicorn


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11438 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1878 times:
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Quoting PPVRA (Reply 9):
RG and JJ have also announced discounts to EZE.

PPVRA

Also AR, and you could pay in 10 installments without interest ! Seems we will see more competition on EZE-GRU/GIG. 19 flights per day Brazil-Argentina seems to be excessive.

Quoting Unicorn (Reply 11):
At least Webjet seems to be paying their lessors, unlike Varig.

Unicorn

But they probably paid several months in advance or obtained a bank guarantee. Vasp puts Brazilian airlines in a more expensive degree.

Rgds,
Felipe



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User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8964 posts, RR: 39
Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1860 times:

Quoting Unicorn (Reply 11):
At least Webjet seems to be paying their lessors, unlike Varig.

RG did not stop paying their lessors. They are not flying "for free." It's just the previous debt that was put on hold.

They are paying for airport fees on a daily basis, and until a few weeks ago for fuel on a daily basis also(IIRC, numbers were at about USD 1.6 million/day). Now they have a week or two of credit for fuel.

PPVRA



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